lets do this! what do you think is the best based on price, ease of install, EMU software included, and parts needed to install (if any), and other things

yes.

yes.

yes?

I'm partial, but so will the other posters. Everyone thinks theirs is the best....

thats why you vote, to bring out everyones opinions on them and show the results of them.

thats why there are other threads to do that^ there are already plenty...

i cant believe you put the afsc on there and not the PTP, Esmeril, DNA which are actually in operation and have a price.

I will say the best turbo option will be the greddy with the mazsport upgrades and the gt series turbo.

however the esmeril turbo kit with the soon to be released ignition upgrade will put up numbers we have not seen before. and its priced atractively

there's no one size fits all. right now all the top end kits max out around the same point due to ignition issues. So there isn't much to set them apart besides what you get with the kit. Thus the mazsport kits are the top dog in terms of what you get and performance. In the future, ignition issues will be worked out, and then we'll have a real horse power war, with a greater distance between the low and high end kits.

for bang for the buck, the greddy turbo is still king - and not just due to cost. It's also king because most of us have it, so there's a lot of information, and help available for it. We know it's weaknesses and the user community has found fixes for them. Whereas the PTP turbo looks good on paper, but you're basically on your own if you run into issues.

Overall, I think any TC or SC kit for the RX-8 will be a good choice, depending on what your needs and budget are. The only one I wouldn't recommend to anyone is the DNA, and that's an inherent flaw due to the SC type chosen for the kit, not because of issues with the hardware or vendor.

I'm partial, but so will the other posters. Everyone thinks theirs is the best....

Phil,

Not all of us think our personal choice is the best of the best. But best for each of us depends on our needs and budget.

I know which one you would be voting for, even before you did it... The pettit kit makes a nice little jump in power. I'm sure it feels pretty good vs stock, but with a price tag twice that of the greddy, and making far less hp and torque, I wouldn't recommend it unless the buyer really doesn't want a larger jump in power. We regularly see 210 - 250 tq at the wheels with the greddy, and not even 190 tq with the pettit. In the future if the pettit kit drops in price, and it includes the ECU reflash, I might reconsider my recommendation.

I know the standard retort on the greddy comparison vs the pettit stage 2 will eventually lead to the mention of the stage 3 SC. The problem with that is it's only an additional $1,000 for a larger turbo that drops in place of the one supplied by greddy (which was only meant to run at 6 psi), and thus you still end up far cheaper with the greddy kit, and by this point, still make far more power than the stage 3 could.

I would vote for the Esmeril racing turbo kit, or the rotor rock one since its pretty cheap and gives good gains for the money

ok, i dont know how to edit the poll, but i have never heard of the rotor rock kit?

^ he got a DIY section in the forum, which I think you can follow to make a working turbo kit

Why isn't the turbonator listed?

damn dude you shoulda researched before you did this

Why isn't the turbonator listed?

because anything that adds 500whp isn't counted

i dont want to post the huge hp kits on here, because i dont think that is what everyone wants on here, i know i dont want that much.

But the turbonator is on sale for $39.95!

i dont want to post the huge hp kits on here, because i dont think that is what everyone wants on here, i know i dont want that much.

is this poll for you or the forum?
:)

forgive me dude im just being an ass

But the turbonator is on sale for $39.95!

:rofl: hahahaha, i will edit it as soon as i find out how, haha

is this poll for you or the forum?
:)

forgive me dude im just being an ass

i know, but i did post this for everone else

"i dont want to post the huge hp kits on here, because i dont think that is what everyone wants on here" as posted on 10-14-07 at 6:10 pm

:lol2: Jeff, If you ever come down here, drop the link for that awesome Electric Supper Turbo System with Nawzz, or whatever it is called? That thing will make gains like no other!

true that, i have heard stories on nawzz, it gives you like 500 hp

Phil,

Not all of us think our personal choice is the best of the best. But best for each of us depends on our needs and budget.

I know which one you would be voting for, even before you did it... The pettit kit makes a nice little jump in power. I'm sure it feels pretty good vs stock, but with a price tag twice that of the greddy, and making far less hp and torque, I wouldn't recommend it unless the buyer really doesn't want a larger jump in power. We regularly see 210 - 250 tq at the wheels with the greddy, and not even 190 tq with the pettit. In the future if the pettit kit drops in price, and it includes the ECU reflash, I might reconsider my recommendation.

I know the standard retort on the greddy comparison vs the pettit stage 2 will eventually lead to the mention of the stage 3 SC. The problem with that is it's only an additional $1,000 for a larger turbo that drops in place of the one supplied by greddy (which was only meant to run at 6 psi), and thus you still end up far cheaper with the greddy kit, and by this point, still make far more power than the stage 3 could.

I am not going to argue the point too much (I am sure I would loose and make an ememy and that is not my intention) but my experience with turbos is such that they are not reliable, break quite often, the lag makes them useless in short term use and cause back-pressure in the exhaust line. Now before you just fluff me off, I do own (thru my company) 35 trucks, 25 of them diesel turbos, 7 of them gas with turbos added to them to get more pulling power and three Toyota trucks with s/c from the factory (my partners and I decided to keep ours stock). The diesel turbos are great after they spool up but my 8 stock would have beat them in a 1/4 mile, the gas turbos are always down and I think we have tried all different manufacturers for them. Now all of the turbos spend a considerable time in various shops. None of these trucks are more than three years old. The three Toyota s/c trucks never have a problem and there is a fight with workers to gain the use of them. My accountant tells me the repair costs for the turboed trucks is three times the repair costs of the s/c trucks and almost 4 times the repair costs of non FIed trucks. My budget is somewhat unlimited and I could have had any FI that I wanted but I wanted something that my hood would not be up on a weekly basis. All I wanted is 300whp and while not near that (yet) at least my only problems are with tuning.

Now your going to tell me that my experience is not scientific or that they are not sized properly or I just do not understand. You may be right but this is my experience and trying to tell me that a turbo is superior is not going any where. I have had this discussion with MM several times. I'm sure the flaming will be prevalent but please remember you asked so I just answered.
Phil

Just curious... why did you just post up all of your N/A mods and say that you wanted to stay N/A. Then after a good ribbing by some of the mombers, post up a FI opinion poll?

Good luck with whatever you choose. I placed my vote.

Just have Charles R Hill put a Nitrous system on your car.

im not telling

I totally agree with "mysql"

Everything he said makes perfect sense.

yes and no

I am not going to argue the point too much (I am sure I would loose and make an ememy and that is not my intention)
....
You may be right but this is my experience and trying to tell me that a turbo is superior is not going any where. I have had this discussion with MM several times. I'm sure the flaming will be prevalent but please remember you asked so I just answered.
Phil

As long as we don't start calling each other names, this can be a logical and meaningful discussion :)

The TC vs SC issue has been beaten to death, at least it has for me, so I'm not going to get into that much. I still say what works for me, might not work for you - and if you're happy with it, that's what matters. You are right about my reply though - I don't think the trucks are indicative on what you should expect with the RX-8. With a TC system, the turbo is the only thing moving, and really the only thing you have to take care of... kinda like our relationship with the rotary engine :) Not much to break, but if it does, there's nothing to do besides yanking it out. But this means no belts and other moving parts to worry about like you have with a SC.

What I can say is that my issues with going turbo have resulted from ignition coils dying on me (30k of use), and issues with fuel management. Once the coils were replaced, and the fuel management was tuned, it's been pretty amazing since.

I'm sure any issues you have will be taken care of in due time - it's always a bitter sweet mixed blessing to be among the first for a FI kit. I'd be among the first to curse at greddy if I had bought it 2+ years ago without the information we now have.

Just have Charles R Hill put a Nitrous system on your car.

possibly the cheapest bang to hp out there

As long as we don't start calling each other names, this can be a logical and meaningful discussion :)

The TC vs SC issue has been beaten to death, at least it has for me, so I'm not going to get into that much. I still say what works for me, might not work for you - and if you're happy with it, that's what matters. You are right about my reply though - I don't think the trucks are indicative on what you should expect with the RX-8. With a TC system, the turbo is the only thing moving, and really the only thing you have to take care of... kinda like our relationship with the rotary engine :) Not much to break, but if it does, there's nothing to do besides yanking it out. But this means no belts and other moving parts to worry about like you have with a SC.

What I can say is that my issues with going turbo have resulted from ignition coils dying on me (30k of use), and issues with fuel management. Once the coils were replaced, and the fuel management was tuned, it's been pretty amazing since.

I'm sure any issues you have will be taken care of in due time - it's always a bitter sweet mixed blessing to be among the first for a FI kit. I'd be among the first to curse at greddy if I had bought it 2+ years ago without the information we now have.

I did not know for sure where you were coming from. It would never get to name calling. As you said "what ever works for me". I agree trucks are a poor comparison to the 8 but ya work with what ya got and I was only pointing out the experiences I have with turbos. I prefer the s/c over the turbo but am not so close minded that I think it's the only way to go. In a balls out race for HP the turbo would likely win but my wish was to be quicker off the line and I am delivering boost long before a turbos 3000 rpm. Your correct with the extra moving parts (belt & pulley) and they do fail upon occasion (not as yet on my 8). I've had this same conversation with MM. I'll stay with the s/c.

I've had this same conversation with MM. I'll stay with the s/c.

hehe. I would not be so foolish to think I could convince you otherwise. The only person who could be convinced, would be one who had not done prior research :)

So since you guys are discussing - let me throw this out there...

I have a 4AT like Phil. In your opinion, what would be a better option for power from 2.5K on up to 7.5K for the 4AT - the Pettit SC, or a turbo? I'm not real concerned about more power way down low, although it would be nice to have some more available. My 4.77 gear takes care of me around town for the most part, so I'd be willing to not have huge power gains off the line. Where I'm interested in getting some help is with passing, both on the street (2 lane country road all the way up to 6 or 8 lane highway) and on the straightaways on a road course.

In reality, my two main concerns are reliability and heat (lack thereof). I think either one will probably give me what I need power-wise, as I'm not looking to have some sort of monster.

I realize there is no right answer to this question, and some of it has been discussed to death. I'm just looking for some opinions and your reasons for them for my specific application.

I should also say that I plan on waiting for a reflash tool, either Pettit or Cobb. And of course I have to wait for that silly thing called money :(

Mark:
If $ are your main obstacle to obtaining FI then I think that you could get into a turbo with less expense than the s/c. You need to PM 09Factor about the reliability and performance of the turbo in an a/t.

I had a specific list of things I wanted and my investigations showed that my best chance of meeting them was the s/c. Expense did not really enter into the equation.

This whole scenario has been beaten to death and into the ground with discussion and it comes down to personal and financial preferences.

I wish you luck ether way you go - Since we've talked about this extensivly I will be very interested in the direction you proceed and why.

I think that you will find that the Pettit flash is similar to RB in that you will send in your emanage. If the Cobb flash tool ever happens it will be a tool like used for the Subiees

Phil

Just curious... why did you just post up all of your N/A mods and say that you wanted to stay N/A. Then after a good ribbing by some of the mombers, post up a FI opinion poll?

Good luck with whatever you choose. I placed my vote.

read my little sentence under my name, you will figure it out

so... your gay?

so... your gay?

WWWHAT?!

im not telling

LOL Me either

im not telling

you don't have to, obviously you're sig says everything

no one is forcing him

Well, if it becomes available money most likely won't be the issue. If I have the resources I will likely have enough to do either one. Basically I want reliable low boost power. I'm thinking like 5 or 6 psi at the most, based on Bell's turbo book (he says any factory motor in good condition should be able to take 5psi without problems, so I figure that's a good reference point). And there seems to be so many opinions posted when I do searches, but not tons of facts.

I guess a more specific question would be this - would the Pettit SC or a turbo put less heat into the engine at 5psi? I realize heat levels may vary from one turbo setup to another, but in general is the turbo going to give you higher temps?

Plus a lot of the discussion on the pettit kit disappeared with the thread that was killed.

i dont know about the heat question, but i have heard from mostly everyone i talk about FI, that you can safely run up to 9 psi in a stock engine, but the rotary may be different because it already has a decently high compression ratio.

I have the Pettit s/c and am bias too! :rolleyes:
I had the by-pass valve come apart the other day on the dyno but repaired it with super glue and drove 300 miles back home without issue.

Plus a lot of the discussion on the pettit kit disappeared with the thread that was killed.

A lot of what disappeared was just stuff that pertained to items that has only to do with the very early models and their installation. All of what pertains to the actual s/c survived those deletions. The missing parts, the tunes that would not work properly, the accusations and the incomplete instructions are just memories. What's left is a viable working kit. You just think you lost some important information. Similar things went on with turbos in their trial days. What went on early in the game is history now you just need to concentrate on what works for you.

I just meant it seemed like a lot of searchable posts went away. But I agree a lot of posts didn't have good info in them.

trucks and cars are quite different. specialy when trucks are used for tq. im not saying that cars arent but were not pulling trees out of the ground....at least im not. if you base your descision on your trucks to make the descision on your 8 your going to end up unhappy.

you can turn the turbo down to lessen wear on the engine. the sc will continuously cause damage. look at turbo cars and sc cars straight from the factory. sure turbos need maitnance but a super charger will end the life of your engine much sooner. besides i have my hood up everyweek anyway ....i like whats under there :)

R.

wow phil thanks for deleting your post and making it look like im talking out of my ass.

if you just read my post ....phil was trying to justify that sc are better on the 8 because he has alot of trucks at work. some turboed some sc'ed and the ones with a sc dont break down as much. so i said what i said above.

R.

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However, I am going to go with mysql101's initial response: yes.

trucks and cars are quite different. specialy when trucks are used for tq. im not saying that cars arent but were not pulling trees out of the ground....at least im not. if you base your descision on your trucks to make the descision on your 8 your going to end up unhappy.

you can turn the turbo down to lessen wear on the engine. the sc will continuously cause damage. look at turbo cars and sc cars straight from the factory. sure turbos need maitnance but a super charger will end the life of your engine much sooner. besides i have my hood up everyweek anyway ....i like whats under there :)

R.

Your a little off on the fact that there is big difference between cars and trucks. Now there is a big difference between trucks and rotaries. I have heard the argument many times before that there is some huge difference between cars and trucks - both were designed to carry a load be it people or just things. Yes the differences are there as most trucks have special transmissions, beefed up suspension and extra cooling so as to pull larger loads. I did admit, in my posting, that this comparson was not the best, but it is what shaped my decission.

You begin talking out of your ass at this point by saying that a s/c will damage or end the life of your car sooner. Now I'm no expert by any means but I have been advised by what I consider the best and no where was that argument used. I do think that you have no substituting data for that statement.

You accuse me of deleting a posting - I think you need look again as I never deleted any posting from this thread. Nothing I said would have caused a mod to delete any of my postings, so I again say you are talking out of your ass.

I have a deep respect for others decisions and expect the same for mine and I will defend my decision even if someone like you challenges it. You should just post your feelings and not attack someone elses.

I think that going over the bs again and again has not real purpose but if you want to start another thread discussing the different FI possibilities then go ahead and start it.

I just did delete a post - I decided it was too argumentative to post and replace it with this posting.

Yes... I 2nd Phil's "Feelings"!
Many times over the TC Vs. SC battle has been waged and now that the SC has become a more viable and street able product it has, at times, gotten even hotter with the debates and arguments.
My opinion is that, not unlike the different personalities here, the variety of FI units, may or may not suit your budget, desire, ego, pride, skill level, comfort, trust, knowledge and/or style.
I will also go on to say... that the whole truck thing, it seems to me, was just what Phil was using to reference his preference for the SC over the the TC. He was backing his "decision / preference" by falling back on his personal fleet of vehicles with the different "types" of units on them. It just so happened that they were trucks.
Lastly, the SC's are still quite new on the market and as of yet there is no data the prove they are causing any more damage to the motor than any other FI application. Several prototyped SC 8's are still running strong and were taken apart to visit the ware with surprisingly good results! It should also be noted that these motors ran with premix and 20-50 oil. Both I am sure contribute to the lack of signs of extreme ware from the SC system.
Needless to say... there is an application out there for everyone. It is possible to have any FI kill your car, it is also possible to have stellar results from anyone of them also. Nitrous, TC, SC... Budget, Maintenance and Preference is what I guess it all boils down to.

A SC isn't going to wear out the engine any more than a turbo will. Both just pump air into the engine. The SC has an extra load on the engine as it has to spin belts and the SC directly - but that's not going to impact the engine much in the long run. We're talking about low boost applications here.

good point

when/if the time comes....

i am still waiting to see the AFSC

other wise its the greddy kit with the gt2871 swap. which by that time will be nothing special or new

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However, I am going to go with mysql101's initial response: yes.

WOW. That is the first time i've seen that webpage. That **** is hilarious!!

^ it actually works

funny, but what?

20-50 oil

Is Pettit recommending 20-50 in the Renesis for boosted applications? Was commonplace on the REW/13B-T, but no one speaks of it in the 8 community. And several, for right or wrong, have argued against it for the Renesis.

Phil, turbos are prone to fail cause they operate in high temp environment, it is really important to cool them down before shutting off the engine, especially in a diesel ap. That plus oil changes -or lack thereof- and the fact you got commercial drivers driving them is plenty reason to have high maintenance bills. The turbos on Cummins are notorious for needing replacement after 50k. They are easily available in the remanu market and are cheap, so not a big deal. An EGT pyrometer is essential for longevity, I don't shut mine down until it drops below 450. In diesel aps the turbo is king of torque, mine does well over 750 ft-lb with the Juice. The Toyota TRD s/c is probably the most reliable FI application out there but then you are talking Toyota and that indestructible V6 that can probably run 100k on one oil change.

The s/c for a rotary maybe is not as "elegant" as a turbo but at the end of the day is probably going to be more durable and easier on your wallet, just change oil and check belts kind of thing.

A question I have: is an s/c less affected by fluctuations in octane than a turbo? We have a really hard time in this town finding decent gas.

Boost and fuel issues go hand in hand irrespective of the methodology.

Phil, turbos are prone to fail cause they operate in high temp environment, it is really important to cool them down before shutting off the engine, especially in a diesel ap. That plus oil changes -or lack thereof- and the fact you got commercial drivers driving them is plenty reason to have high maintenance bills. The turbos on Cummins are notorious for needing replacement after 50k. They are easily available in the remanu market and are cheap, so not a big deal. An EGT pyrometer is essential for longevity, I don't shut mine down until it drops below 450. In diesel aps the turbo is king of torque, mine does well over 750 ft-lb with the Juice. The Toyota TRD s/c is probably the most reliable FI application out there but then you are talking Toyota and that indestructible V6 that can probably run 100k on one oil change.

The s/c for a rotary maybe is not as "elegant" as a turbo but at the end of the day is probably going to be more durable and easier on your wallet, just change oil and check belts kind of thing.

A question I have: is an s/c less affected by fluctuations in octane than a turbo? We have a really hard time in this town finding decent gas.

Your points are well taken but I think that maybe I misstated the type of vehicle, the trucks are 3/4 ton and 1 ton p/u trucks not used in a trucking environment but as a mechanical contractor would. No one manufacturer is guilty as we have ford, GM & dodge and a couple of some pickup sized truck that GM imports (can't remember the name). Yes a lot of what happens is under warranty but just being down is costly. It seems that about 80% of the failures are turbo related. I admit that it is still not really apples for apples but it does give you a bad taste for turbos. The Toyota trucks are the new V8 with a factory s/c. I have heard that Toyota is having problems with the V8 but with the exception of normal belts, driver error and such they are trouble free. The s/c is of Japanese origin so I'm not real sure what they are using. Toyota came to me and gave us a deal we could not refuse and I am very happy with them (so far, as the oldest just has 73000 miles on it). If Toyota made a real 3/4 ton I would be looking at purchasing more but alas they do not. The gas we get here presently is piped in from Cali and is so screwed up I am surprised it even runs our vehicles. Oh, we do not keep any vehicle beyond three years or 100,000 miles as it is not cost effective.

Do you have a special setup from Toyota, or can anyone buy a S/C truck from them??

Dr. Hill's laughing gas is looking better all the time.

Do you have a special setup from Toyota, or can anyone buy a S/C truck from them??

I don't know for sure but it is my understanding that it is a public offering as a TRD option. Toyota National Sales asked us to consider using their trucks in our business. They sent out someone who did a survey of needs and we ended up with them equipped as they are, at a preset price. Too bad that they are so light as they are a very good truck.

Phil i wasnt being ignorant and telling me im talking out of my ass is childish. when i posted i was doing so on the first page and missed the entire 2nd and 3rd page. i didnt no the thread had came this far so i missed alot of what you guys were talking about.

when i said cars and trucks i did mean the rotary so i apologize for that. but i stand by my point that a sc on a truck will behave different than a sc on a car. turbos the same. your pulley is set to cerain psi. turbos are variable and can be turned down to lessen the stress on the engine. sure you can swap pullies on the sc but not like you can adjust the boost on a turbo. thats the reason i said a sc will cause more damage over the life of the engine. unless you run at high boost all the time with a turbo. theres many different kinds of truck engines and i bet you dont have the same engine turbod and sced in all your different kinds of trucks so whose to say that the turbo is reason they are breaking? it could be the design of the two engines "which are totaly different" who knows. but its completely unfair to even begin to start to make a decsion on what is good for your rx8 based on all the different varaibles on your work trucks.... if you want to start name calling please do it with someone else. i was being polite. if you cant understand what im trying to tell you or you have a rebutle than thats cool. but no need for the remarks you made. i understand you may not like someone telling you something you may not want to hear. specialy when it comes to something like the decison you made on what type of fi to get on your car. but be cool about it

R.

wow phil thanks for deleting your post and making it look like im talking out of my ass.

if you just read my post ....phil was trying to justify that sc are better on the 8 because he has alot of trucks at work. some turboed some sc'ed and the ones with a sc dont break down as much. so i said what i said above.

R.

Quote:trucks and cars are quite different. specialy when trucks are used for tq. im not saying that cars arent but were not pulling trees out of the ground....at least im not. if you base your descision on your trucks to make the descision on your 8 your going to end up unhappy.

you can turn the turbo down to lessen wear on the engine. the sc will continuously cause damage. look at turbo cars and sc cars straight from the factory. sure turbos need maitnance but a super charger will end the life of your engine much sooner. besides i have my hood up everyweek anyway ....i like whats under there

R. Direct quote

For some reason my duplicate quote feature does not work so I copied your 2 earlier posts.
1. I never said s/c were better than a turbo - If I did then show me and I will resend that statement. I think that if you would have read the entire thread you would have seen postings in support of the turbo, it's just not for me.
2. I believe someone asked me why my decision on the s/c, so I answered exactly for the reasons stated oh and by the way I only related to down time due to turbos and that determination came from the dealers that were doing the repairs no from the uninformed. How many times did I say it was not scientific and just my feelings.
3. You need to prove that the s/c will end the life of my engine or any rotary engine - If that's just your belief than state is it just your feeling but I read it that you had proof. Sure would like to see it if you do. Until such time as you produce the proof I will stand by my words.
4. You accused me deleting postings with out really looking. Who was in error and (using your words, not mine) "talking out of their ass"?

This forum is a great place for open discussion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I read this entire forum to pick up ideas, hear the latest gossip, improve my 8 and expand my understanding the working of my vehicle of choice. A little forum decorum may be need by both of us.

Yeah! What he said!

You all suck and turbos rule!

F-you!

Nawss!

I leave a thread for a coule of weeks and look what breaks loose! I'll read it all next week.

why don't you just make a supercharged, twin-turboed rx8 with nitrous injection and all get along

Yeah! What he said!

You all suck and turbos rule!

F-you!

Nawss!

I leave a thread for a coule of weeks and look what breaks loose! I'll read it all next week.

Only Jeff's turbo sucks - and I can back that up!!!! Hell someone had to hold up your end when you disappear.

There's an idea, turbo charge my supercharger and add a little Nawss that way every one would be happy.

People would still be hatin' on your A/T.

There are always the jealous out there and some who think that you have to be a purest to own a sports car. Let all them MT "fanbois" do their own thing and let me and other AT owners do ours. You know I don' ever remember an AT member going on a general forum telling everyone that has an MT that they made the wrong choice.

Try going on the 7 forums, some of them hate another 7 owners cuz his a different model.

OK I'm done venting - back to work.

Phil

alright i know what happend. i read your post on the first page and replied to it on the first page not knowing there were other pages, when the post went threw it took me to the third page with out me knowing and the last post on the third page happend to be yours. i tought as i was typing my post you had edited yours when really it was an entire different post on an entirely different page.

im sorry.

as far as the sc thing goes i apologize if i misinterpreted what you wrote. i have no prof that the sc causes more or less damage than a turbo. i figure if you have a sc pullied at 8psi rountinely day in day out for the life of the engine it would cause more damage than say some one who has a turbo that can almost run stock. but one could also make the argument that a turbo can be turned up considerably more than the sc causing even more damage.

the statement i guess i should have made was. you can turn down a turbo to decrease wear on a rotary. on a supercharger you can not.

R.

accepted, no harm no foul.

Group Hug!!!!!

Group Hug!!!!!

Not taking your sig literally, huh?:p:

haha, i do NOT rollerblade. . . . . . . . . . . . all the time. j/k

I may be too partial to vote...but i did anyway!!

im still up in the air... :rollingla


but on the other hand...i just might have Ray install some nos next year
are you up to a challenge ?

:D:

i have the boxes in my gameroom that qualified my vote.
olddragger

damn, I thought I had it rough, phil has been tolerating this shit for almost 4 years!! I'm such a nub

back to topic, Turbo FTW!!!

ty charles

damn - I missed all the fun . I would just like to say - SCFTW !

noob question i know, but what is FTW? i have been seeing it everyday and i dont know what it is.

WTF? OMG! WTFWT? n00b.

I may be old but I got all of that....

It took a dinner at Rock Bottom Brewery to learn it all, though!:lol2:

Chet, your thread has been officially HIJACKED!!

How about a dictionary sticky for us old farts.

DAMN YOU THREAD STEALERS!!! I dont care, but thanks, i would have never figured that out on my own, you would be surprised what acronyms kids come up with. stupid little kids:rant: :spank: :icon_no2:

How about a dictionary sticky for us old farts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_slang

WOW,

WFO!!!!!!

btw,

how do i vote for maybe???

beers :beer:

how do i vote for maybe???

Like this:


http://www.mazdamaniac.com/portal/smiles/icon_shrug.gif

Like this:


http://www.mazdamaniac.com/portal/smiles/icon_shrug.gif

ausi rules football????

did i score?? 1 or 3 points. wait i dont see the white hat.. what are those hands doing?

does this involve a box?:rolleyes:

beers :beer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_slang

TX

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_slang

wow, that is pathetic