Over the next few month I will be building a brand new, nice clean and shiny turbo system that will provide
1) Enough power to put nice big smiles on your faces
2) Be inexpensive (more or less) so many could afford it
3) Be easy enough to install with basic tools

Upon completion, I'll install it on my car, tune and test it for drivability, dyno it, and then it will be offered for sale as a kit.

Some highlights as to what will be different:
T3/T04B turbo with internal waistgate
50mm BOV
High Flow CAT option (for those who don't like to smell the fumes)
Change in location of the turbo to allow for more flexibility with the choice of the exhaust options (not everyone will like the ear splitting unmuffled sound of turboed exhaust from a rotary accompanied with the sound of spool up at part throttle)
Other tweaks that I was thinking on doing but haven't gotten to do on the original setup.

Power levels?
We'll just have to wait and see, but the idea is to be able to maintain 12PSI of boost consistently from the point it is reached and into the redline.

Engine Management?
Interceptor-X for now. Maybe will add the EMU option later if everything goes well.

I do not expect to have this tread dedicated solely to the build process, so if you guys wish to just hang out and share and discuss whatever, be my guests.

I will be posting updates and whatever visual materials I get my hands onto as they come along.

Sounds good, I will be watching this! Would to kit be cheaper than the greedy kit?

I'm in. Me likey custom builds.

Is this the same type setup you and Devon will be working on for his 8 ?

Is this the same type setup you and Devon will be working on for his 8 ?

Devon?
The name doesn't ring a bell. Wat's his nick?
EDIT: ... Oh you mean Devin? :)


For custom setups i will work with ppl on individual basis.
Based on their budgets and risk tolerances :)

Loose lips sink ships... :rolleyes:

RR you have a PM :)

RR you have a PM :)

I do??
i don't see any :dunno:

SoFL_RX8

Whats up with the car did you get it back?

I'm interested to see the "new" system, RR. I'm keeping tuned to this one

http://lh3.google.com/vdarevsk/RumgQBlNc-I/AAAAAAAABDQ/_m3CFTB5wyI/1%20053.jpg?imgmax=800

http://lh5.google.com/vdarevsk/RumgQhlNc_I/AAAAAAAABDY/BnWczrb5V14/1%20054.jpg?imgmax=800

http://lh4.google.com/vdarevsk/RumgRRlNdAI/AAAAAAAABDg/2ixEKXans3w/1%20055.jpg?imgmax=800

Nice... you're running the stock exhaust manifold right? Do you think you might upgrade that too? Or just leave it a stocker.

Looks great. That is an Ebay turbo correct? Are you going to offer a warranty on the parts?

Looks great. That is an Ebay turbo correct? Are you going to offer a warranty on the parts?

Also, are you going to be providing full parts lists of the kit(for those who might want to build their 'own')?

What exhaust wheel and A/R is that? It looks like a P trim and it should be. The A/R looks a bit excessive for something mounted so far back. I;d start around a .86 (or whatever is closet to that) and then go up or down as necessary.

What exhaust wheel and A/R is that? It looks like a P trim and it should be. The A/R looks a bit excessive for something mounted so far back. I;d start around a .86 (or whatever is closet to that) and then go up or down as necessary.

RG, in my situation it is a hit or miss. No shop here with project financing :)
I'll be moving the turbo into a different location, and have something in mind, that should help. I don't want to jump too far ahead, but were I plan to put this turbo, the the A/R should be just what the doctor has prescribed. :ylsuper:

Nice... you're running the stock exhaust manifold right? Do you think you might upgrade that too? Or just leave it a stocker.

If I start upgrading manifold too, the cost will be in line with all the other systems out there, so the answer is no. Unless it is specifically ordered with a different manifold, the stock one stays.

The initial testing and tuning and dyno, will be done with everything stock, including fuel system.

Re-staged injectors took care of overloading and will allow to run as much as 14 PSI. Fuel pump upgrade may be an option for those who want to run over 10PSI, but I keep my current levels at 11-12 and had run much more and so far had experienced no issues.
Better injector flow may have attributed to lesser pump load, but don't quote me on this.

Also, are you going to be providing full parts lists of the kit(for those who might want to build their 'own')?

I had already provided the parts list for remote turbo DIY, and it can be found in the DIY forums.

Looks great. That is an Ebay turbo correct? Are you going to offer a warranty on the parts?

I guess some sort of a warranty will be offered but at this point it is too early to decide to what extent.

As with ebay turbos. I have had a very satisfactory experience with it.

I just noticed that the A/R is stamped on that exhaust housing and it's a 1.15. That's pretty damn big for being mounted at the rear. It might have some lag to it but the top end will be nice after boost kicks in. The compressor side is fine. One way to find out I guess!

One way to find out I guess!

And find out we shall :)

I am sitting here trying to decide whether I should go with stainless steel hot side piping or Aluminized. :dunno:

I need some input from you guys.

How do you make it a poll?

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hey man, let me know if it will work on an AT

I don't see why it wouldn't
You don't need T04B of a turbo for AT though. T3/t04e would do.
The EMS would have to be wired properly, other than that...

I don't see why it wouldn't
You don't need T04B of a turbo for AT though. T3/t04e would do.
The EMS would have to be wired properly, other than that...

Is this like a 54trim, 57?

I voted for stainless. You said you don't mind the higher price so why not??

Is this like a 54trim, 57?

Somewhere there, i forget exactly which I have presently. but it spools quickly and holds boost to about 7500 on MT

I voted for stainless. You said you don't mind the higher price so why not??



I do, because this prototype is being built out of my pocket. The question was directed to you, so basically you said that you don't mind to pay more. :)

Now pay up, or say hello to my little friend :ar: .

Of course I don't mind the extra cost!!! I'm not paying for it!

I would only except a quality stainless steel. It will last forever and look better after use up north here.
I used to have a boat. I wouldn't even except chrome plating due to corrosion.

+1 on stainless since it will hold up better in the heat and elements and not corrode as quickly.

Forget it.
Stupid poll, off course it should be stainless.
that's not even a question. How do I remove the poll?

Poll closed.......S

thanks stealth

Thanks to Devin who visited me today, I was able to measure and do a real size sketch of the exhaust piping for the new system. What can I say, if everything plays out like I plan it to It is going to be a one bad ass setup. That much I can promise you :rock:

No problem man, my pleasure. Thanks for letting me drive your car. Although its not running at full boost, it was great, very fast.

Guys, this stage two kit is gunna be great if it works out how he drew it up

Have fun at Sevn Stock Vlad! I cant wait to get started on our build.

Thanks, man. can't wait to get to work on it myself.

Talking about the boost.
a few days ago my car has developed this nasty boost leak. The sound of air hissing is so loud wen idling, that it can be heard from the inside the car with windows down. Needless to say, i can't make more than 6 PSI of boost with it.
Visual inspection did not reveal the source of the leak, ad by just listening, it is very difficult to pinpoint the location (other that it is coming from the manifold)
What is a good way to hunt this sort of issues?

smoke
olddragger

You mean Smoke in the intake, and see where it comes out in boost, or smoke around the engine to see where t is being sucked in under vac? I guess either way will do, but figured I'll ask anyway :)

It shouldn't matter. At times you will be under vaccum. Other times you will be under boost. There will be a pressure differential either way.

You need an intake leak tester.

http://www.siliconeintakes.com/index.php?cPath=8&osCsid=bf471a0cc4af26f223703afedae15e48

An easy way that I used to test for vacuum leaks (which it sounds like you may have as well) on my supercharged firebird was to use starting fluid, available at any auto parts store.

Just let your car idle, and spray the starting fluid on the vacuum hose fittings, one by one. If the engine surges, you just found where it leaks.

This test probably works on intake hoses as well, but there is alot less vacuum in the intake piping during idle, so I'm not really all that sure. The engine surge may be alot less noticeable, or maybe you just have to use more fluid.

Just be careful- the stuff is highly flammable (its ether), so watch out. Its cool though since it evaporates almost instantly, so no worry about residues or long-term flammability.

Is your boost/vacuum gauge reading the same amount of vacuum at idle?

Good suggestion. Thanks!
Could it ignite if dropped on the hot engine? Like metal portion of the manifold or something?

I need to find time to fix this. Just been too damn busy lately. My X-Wife and I had finally decided to split (After 2 years of being divorced and still living under the same roof), so I'll be shipping my ass out of the house into an apartment (with a garage!) over the next weekend and then settling in with the new place...
Sigh... The things we have to go through.

An easy way that I used to test for vacuum leaks (which it sounds like you may have as well) on my supercharged firebird was to use starting fluid, available at any auto parts store.

I used carb cleaner to check for leaks on my turbo RX-7s...if the car idle stumbled - BINGO!!!!

Actually got turned onto that by Dave from KDR years ago.

I don't know If I'll be able to distinguish between a stumble in the idles due to running too lean with Int-X, and the carb leaner induced stumble. Or will it really stumble to the point of near stalling?

I don't know If I'll be able to distinguish between a stumble in the idles due to running too lean with Int-X, and the carb leaner induced stumble. Or will it really stumble to the point of near stalling?

In my experience, it is very noticeable...that written, since I don't really know your idle condition hard to say...though I think it better than a highly flammable starter fluid in any case for simple safety concerns. And if you can't distinguish, just use the carb cleaner liberally.

No idle condition is not bad, but it will jump a little at some times.
Besides I can always enrich the mixture, before performing the test. At 11:1AF the idles are super smooth :/ but stinky to a level of unbearable :)

Yeah, carb cleaner should be less flammable, although its probably still not something you'd want on your headers.

I'm not sure how the rotary would respond, but when I found that vacuum leak in my old car, the starter fluid would cause the engine to surge quite noticeably, as in a few hundred rpms. Lol, with as loud as your car is, you should have no trouble hearing the difference!

I love your turbo setup, BTW!

I actually hand build a little muffler a couple of months ago, which took A LOT of the noise out. Now the car sounds just a little louder than MasdaSpeed exhaust.

The more I think about the design of this setup the more I like it. You have basically stock exhaust if you wish and could optimize it with a header etc. or keep it stock for lower cost and less hassle. You have nice long pipes in and out of the turbo that will give you fully developed laminar flow into your turbo for max turbine efficiency and and laminar flow into your intake manifold from the compressor for minimum pressure losses. Also the exhaust heat is not kept in the engine compartment and there should be some cooling effect from the intake piping run under the car.

I guess the only downside is pumping losses due to the length of pipe that the compressed charge has to travel. I suppose that can be counteracted by your turbo sizing as Rotarygod is advising.

Obviously a different turbo. t04b instead of t3/to4e
External waistgate.

So are you going to a straight T4 both turbine and compressor?

And are you going external vs. internal gate due to boost creep issues in the past with your setup?

So are you going to a straight T4 both turbine and compressor?

And are you going external vs. internal gate due to boost creep issues in the past with your setup?

Yes and Yes :)

Good suggestion. Thanks!
Could it ignite if dropped on the hot engine? Like metal portion of the manifold or something?

I need to find time to fix this. Just been too damn busy lately. My X-Wife and I had finally decided to split (After 2 years of being divorced and still living under the same roof), so I'll be shipping my ass out of the house into an apartment (with a garage!) over the next weekend and then settling in with the new place...
Sigh... The things we have to go through.

Whoa! Crazy stuff Vlad. Guess Im gunna need new directions to you appartment.

I have an indoor show this weekend (Sunday) at the miami beach convention center, so I guess past this weekend Im ready to start building when you are. I understand you might be a bit delayed concidering you recent move, so whenever is good for you.

If you could, PM me with the list of piping we made on the cardboard box so I can go by it.

Hope everything goes well with your move!

Hope everything works out, Vlad. I'm looking forward to seeing your new system! If you need any help or anything, PM me. I wish I was local so I could swing by!

I guess past this weekend Im ready to start building when you are. I understand you might be a bit delayed concidering you recent move, so whenever is good for you.

Devin, we'll work on your system as you are ready. There is no reason to delay it. Especially given the fact that it will pretty much identical to the future marketable unit. Give me a call, and we'll go over things. A good thing - my new place is much closer to where you are. :)

With the move though.. Yeah it is tough, but I am grateful we are on good foot, and we'll remain closest friends. We struggled as a couple before which led us to a divorce. After that we reattempted to keep it together, and managed to drag it out for some more, but eventually it turned into nothing more but 2 people living under the same roof for the past 2 years. Still having issues, still disagreeing on stuff. We both of our own will have agreed that taking this route will be much better for everyone, including the children.
Sad, but given the circumstances - necessary.

Hope everything works out, Vlad. I'm looking forward to seeing your new system! If you need any help or anything, PM me. I wish I was local so I could swing by!

I appreciate your kindness man.
Thank you.

Ok, I think it is time to resurrect this.:)
No I haven't started building the system yet. No $$. Had too much going on lately. Going out, dating, setting up my place... But since people need a place to hang out, and discuss something Performance upgrade related, I figured I might as well get you guys to hang out here :)

Oh and I fixed the stupid boost leak I had.
It was the jet air hose that popped off it's nipple, down at the base. A huge pain in the ass to locate, even bigger pain to put it back on without taking off half of the engine. But finally after like 3 months of driving without being able to boost more than 7-8 PSI in 3rd gear, The car is all peppy again :)

If you can make it better than the Greddy and less cash than the Esmeril, and do it in a year, you've got a customer here, Vlad.

Chrise's kit is a fine piece of work, kinda hard to compete here :) My only way out is to make it cheaper. :) Much cheaper! Which isn't very easy either. Making it perform better than greddy, should not be a problem.

So when are you upgrading, Vlad?? Stop dating and start building!!!

Dating, is fun! And chicks reaaally dig my car :lol:
I am beginning to slow down though. Getting tired of waisting all the money.

The thing is, now I am beginning to look more into building, but before I begin, there is still 3 important obstacles I need to overcome:

1. Effen Christmas, with all the associated expenses
2. Paying off all that useless garbage that I need to spend money on for Christmas.
3. Saving up for the build.

But I am aiming to have it done by the end of spring. Shit, Spring!!! Come to think of it: Spring... South, FL... Spring Break.... Ohhh Noooooooo :banghead:

Dating, is fun! And chicks reaaally dig my car :lol:
I am beginning to slow down though. Getting tired of waisting all the money.

I thought it had something to do with your late 80's sense of fashion and hairstyle!!! The pinched and rolled acid washed jeans. The hair that is spiked along the part. The jean jacket with the sleeves rolled up. You've got it going on man! ;)

What? LOL dude, that is so not me :)

I think it's the accent.

im looking forward to seeing this project be succesful. good luck man keep us posted.

I am back.

Yesterday I ordered the necessary SS piping and flanges
Today, I will be ordering a new BOV and the Waistgate.

Which Wastegate did you choose?

60MM. Similar to what Chris is using.

Nice - must be a monster!

I feel compelled to ask where do you buy 3" turbo pipings for the rx8

There are plenty of online resources.
And it is not for the RX8. It is just raw material.

thanks :)

when you're done, please let me know

thanks :)

when you're done, please let me know

Ok, done. :)

when your kit is available, want to know price, availability pls

Vlad, if you sell a kit to Taj, make sure to include enough waivers so when the inevitable happens Taj can't make you buy him his new motor

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"

That should cover it.

Yep. Buy, Install and use at your own risk. :)

I will provide the kit parts warranty though for a limited period of time. In case he decides to run so much boost that it pops the turbo off the flange. :SHOCKED:

thread subscribed. this is going to be interesting.

hey what up RR, I am fairly new to this forum but my friend has a rear mount on his Z and we just got started on my 8. What we did to drasticly reduce cost and increase performance is bought performance headers and did 3 inch custom exhaust piping routed directly to the turbo with the T70 in the rear. I am still currently working on the most efficient way to route the piping from the turbo back to the IC. Do you have any suggestions?

Great Job on your turbo by the way I can't wait to see the final results.

This thread is for a different build. Look through my original thread.
It has a whole bunch of pictures.
Also I am not so sure about T70 way in the back, but you don't know until you know right?

http://lh5.google.com/vdarevsk/R2i-B7v5DzI/AAAAAAAABoA/vLM-CIUGkKw/Stage%202%20Build%20008.jpg?imgmax=800

http://lh3.google.com/vdarevsk/R2i-Cbv5D0I/AAAAAAAABoI/fRZcz3eLN34/Stage%202%20Build%20009.jpg?imgmax=800

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http://lh6.google.com/vdarevsk/R2i-DLv5D2I/AAAAAAAABoY/XU1SgSKKWPA/Stage%202%20Build%20006.jpg?imgmax=800

http://lh4.google.com/vdarevsk/R2i-Drv5D3I/AAAAAAAABog/88_KR1gpKKs/Stage%202%20Build%20007.jpg?imgmax=800

What wastegate is that, Vlad?

It's a no brand, if that's what you are asking.
But the craftsmanship of it and the finish is beautiful.

I think it is from the same manufacturer where Chris gets his waistgates.
At least from the looks of it it is identical.

Yesterday I got the pipes necessary for plumbing the components, so the games are about to begin.

damn i cant wait

sweet deal rr

cool stuff man, keep us posted

I am.
Started working on it. Here is a first cut at the pipes:

Yes it is stainless steel.
Yes it is a bitch to cut it. LOL
http://lh6.google.com/vdarevsk/R2tFxbv5D4I/AAAAAAAABos/CiTLRd4nMLU/Stage%202%20Build%20011.jpg?imgmax=800

http://lh4.google.com/vdarevsk/R2tFx7v5D5I/AAAAAAAABo0/8dHkDbTRlks/Stage%202%20Build%20012.jpg?imgmax=800

I'm confused. You had a working system on your car. Are you redoing it?

I am watching your progress.

hes building a better setup with more power

"Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology."

RR is that a twin scroll turbo?

If so why did you choose that type over a single? Just looking to learn...

I did not choose it specifically.
Generally it does not make much of a difference if it is a single or a twin scroll, unless the turbo is sitting on a manifold with separate runners. This is not my situation. I was just looking for a big ass turbine, and a sufficient enough compressor to get me into the high power.
I may even reconsider going with this specific model of a turbo though. It may be too large (dimension wise) for where I want to place it.

Hey guys, anyone knows where i can get/buy/make the tri bolt exhaust header flange?

http://www.srmotorsports.com/RX8_Performance_Exhaust_System_Parts.html

Scroll to the bottom... is that what you are looking for?

http://www.srmotorsports.com/RX8_Performance_Exhaust_System_Parts.html

Scroll to the bottom... is that what you are looking for?

Yes.

Ouch, kinda pricey... UP goes the price of the kit :lol: :lol2:
anyone knows where I can get them cheaper?

Hey guys, anyone knows where i can get/buy/make the tri bolt exhaust header flange?

http://store.racing-solutions.org/exhaustflanges.html

I've ordered some stuff from them, no complaints. Their shipping is kind of expensive, but they deliver fast...

http://store.racing-solutions.org/exhaustflanges.html

I've ordered some stuff from them, no complaints. Their shipping is kind of expensive, but they deliver fast...

I know of that store, but they don't have what I am looking for.
Thanks though.

Kind of OT but I was wondering what welder you are using. I'm looking to buy one.

Vlad, try ATP Turbo. I've ordered a bunch of stuff from them- always ships within 36 hours of my order and comes quickly- they have a bunch of stuff in stock and prices are good, shipping is usually reasonable.

go here: http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=tp&Category_Code=FLG

Vlad, try ATP Turbo. I've ordered a bunch of stuff from them- always ships within 36 hours of my order and comes quickly- they have a bunch of stuff in stock and prices are good, shipping is usually reasonable.

go here: http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=tp&Category_Code=FLG

Unfortunately none of them stores except the first one carries the darn header flange.
i either need to find somewhere to make them, or pay $90.

Thanks for the help, though.


Kind of OT but I was wondering what welder you are using. I'm looking to buy one.

MIG. Got it off eBay for 120 bucks last year. :lol2: won't be welding everything using it though.

rotorocks lets get a move on joke

hows it coming

if its around 3k ill be the first to get

OK, holidays are over.
Thank god!

UPS just sent me a confirmation that the header flange was delivered today, so I can proceed.
I was pretty much stuck, because I needed the flange to do the preliminary fitments of components.

Happy New Year everyone!

cant wait to see final results

haha great cant wait to see final results
i got the second 1

hurry hurry

OK, holidays are over.
Thank god!

UPS just sent me a confirmation that the header flange was delivered today, so I can proceed.
I was pretty much stuck, because I needed the flange to do the preliminary fitments of components.

Happy New Year everyone!

Where did you end up getting the flange?

Where did you end up getting the flange?

SR for now. No one else seems to carry the part.

rotor how's that thing going remember I called seconds. Can't wait till u finish so we can drop it on my 8

Will be doing some work on it tonight. Maybe chop a couple more pipes :) Will post pics off course, and as usual

I may just be really noob to all this but I do have a question about this remote mount setup. Our cars do back fire quite a bit, will this be a problem with causing surge to the compressor more so than if it were just straight on an exhaust manifold? Would it be possible for it to damage the turbo?

I may just be really noob to all this but I do have a question about this remote mount setup. Our cars do back fire quite a bit, will this be a problem with causing surge to the compressor more so than if it were just straight on an exhaust manifold? Would it be possible for it to damage the turbo?

First of, with proper tuning, your car should not backfire. I can accelerate all the way to the red line, let go of the throttle and decelerate all the way to idles without a single POP.
Stock cars backfire because they are tuned too rich, and the excess fuel is dumped into the exhaust.

Second, I have driven way more than 20K miles on my turbo, and it is still running well. Does backfiring do damage t the turbo? I have no clue, because like I said my car does not backfire :)

Third.
In this system the turbo is... He-he, I am not telling, as I do not wanna ruin the surprise :yelrotflm ;)

I would think a backfire would be less of a problem in this system. You have so much more pipe length to cushion the force.

Edit: I was thinking wrong. The backfire happens when the hot unburned fuel come in contact with oxygen. Therefor this would happen after the turbo and not before.

Roto, I bought my INT-X... Im just waiting on you to be my guiniepig :)

Ill give you a call next week, we need to meet up for lunch again and update our plans for the build on my car.

You know my #
call anytime, buddy.

Hey, local SOFL guys!
Anyone has a midpipe I could borrow for a while? Has to be catless. I'll use it for driving, while using mine for messing with the fitments.

Ha ha ha
Who was the poor schmack on a black 8 with an exhaust (from the loud sound of it) that tried to outpull me on the FL turnpike next to Boynton Bch. Exit yesterday night? :spank:


:yelrotflm :rollingla :bootyshak :boink:

I take it they were less than successful?

i have a gutted cat you could use but im up in jax...

Come on Vlad, we need updates!

I take it they were less than successful?

He he, it was just an RX8. :)



The updates are:
well, I am sort of on hold at the moment.
I had ordered a different turbocharger. a T70 with .70 compressor and .84 Turbine, so I am waiting for it to arrive. The reason I did not go with the other turbo, is because I was having difficulties fitting it, with the turbine housing being too wide, and coming in contact with the body of the car. Off course I could just take a hammer and bang a little dent in the area it was touching, but how would I then explain that in the installation manual? :lol: I didn't like that, so I figured I'll go with a smaller turbine, while there is still room for a bigger compressor.
Remember, I am not trying to build it in the record time (like last time) or just to show that it will work. I am building it to work really well, look cool, be one of a kind, and make tons of power, so bear with me. :ylsuper:
I made some pictures of the pipes I cut and put together, but my home PC power supply failed a couple of days ago. I haven't yet had a chance to get it replaced, so pics are gonna have to wait for now.

By the way, if anyone is interested in my other turbo, it is a T04B with .60 compressor, and a big 1.15 Turbine feel free to PM me.

1.15?!? How long will that take to spool?

Be at full boost by 4500-5000 RPM most likely. And so unrestrictive, it would provide almost no exhaust back pressure.
It is a beautiful turbo. I wish I could stick it in, actually. ...really wanted to try that.


EDIT:
More like 6500RPM full boost, now that i think of it

That sounds good to me... Hopefully CRH will have his manifolds ready soon, and I just might look into your turbo... that's if I don't find something esle stupid to spend my money on.

Get it now :)
It looks good on the coffee table as a piece of decor too. :lol:

Let me tell you...
about 3 years ago when I had my WRX, I had bought a 93 240sx to mess around with. Bought it for 3k, rebuilt the engine and repainted it for another 3k. Bought some rims, body kit, all kinds of suspension, and pieced together a turbo kit. The only thing I was missing was the intercooler and piping. Everything was just sitting in the living room waiting to be installed.
At the same time, my younger sister needed a car, so I let her borrow the 240. Well, two weeks later, she totals it. So for the next 6 months, I had all kinds of goody bits to look at. It was nice to have all those parts... but depressing not having a car to install it on.

ouch, I hear ya...
the question is: what happened to your sister? :)

My T70 has Arrived! :) Still waiting for the flange though. :(

here is some entertainment, meanwhile:


http://lh5.google.com/vdarevsk/R46pCbv5D-I/AAAAAAAABrc/O8wPz_PB1XA/Stage%202%20Build%20013.jpg?imgmax=800

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http://lh4.google.com/vdarevsk/R46pLLv5ECI/AAAAAAAABr8/AEonRGdp1M4/Stage%202%20Build%20017.jpg?imgmax=800

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oooo pretty.......subscribed!

I'm wondering where #1 the airfilter will go to be protected from elements and sucking in water.

As well as how the turbo will deal with water (and potentially snow) hitting it from under the car.

If an air filter at the same height as the muffler is in danger of sucking in a dangerous amount of water, you shouldn't have been driving there! The problem isn't as bad as many think it is. If there is water that is higher than curb level, you shouldn't be driving in it. The air filter on this is higher than that.

There is also no issue with water or snow or other elements hitting the turbo. Take a look at where the turbos on a Porsche 911 are mounted sometime. They are right there above the ground exposed to the elements.

lookin sweet man keep up the good work.

I'd also say cheapest way for tuning now would be Cobb or the new and improved scanguage :) lets hope it all works out :)

I'd also say cheapest way for tuning now would be Cobb or the new and improved scanguage :) lets hope it all works out :)You can't tune with a Scanguage. It only displays interprets the signals coming out of the EMU.
You may be thinking of the Scanalyzer which will soon have tuning capability.
Even the Cobb unit, as proposed, doesn't have tuning capability. You can only reflash with a couple of fixed maps. A tuning module may come later.

You can't tune with a Scanguage. It only displays interprets the signals coming out of the EMU.
You may be thinking of the Scanalyzer which will soon have tuning capability.
Even the Cobb unit, as proposed, doesn't have tuning capability. You can only reflash with a couple of fixed maps. A tuning module may come later.

Ah yes the Scanalyzer sorry, I'm tired, I thought the cobb would be able to get the street tuner software to make your own maps?

That way the end user would be able to load up their own maps (in theory) and run reliable without spending $$$$$ on tuning.

As well aluminized works as well and is half the price, just get some high temp paint on it and it'll last :)

There is also no issue with water or snow or other elements hitting the turbo. Take a look at where the turbos on a Porsche 911 are mounted sometime. They are right there above the ground exposed to the elements.

Wait I thought about that doesn't the 911 have underbody panels to control airflow and reduce turbulence under the car? On a normal Carrera there are panels that go from the front of the car to the back of the car covering the engine, so wouldn't the turbos be covered as well? So in a way they would be protected?

Still more concerned about the water...as water can splash up, people here are scared to drive with CAIs all year round, this filter looks like it sits even lower than a CAI would (But pictures CAN be deceiving) it would be nice to see a nice metal box being built to shelter the airfilter somehow...wonder if it could work.

Actually I just thought of something, it's not really a concrete idea, I think a filter box with a 'tube' or ' 'duct' (extending from the box being the only opening) moved higher could have some merit in shielding the box from water, don't build the box water tight, 'drain' spaces so water can drain out, but not alot of water can get in, and if water gets into the 'tube/duct' thing (which if directed, very little water will get in, but the water that does can be drained out). I'd need to get under the car to see if it's possible, but winter + under car = ftl.

Another suggestion (going off the idea of clothes) is to use a waterproof type laminate that isn't windproof...kinda like Gortex, which is waterproof but very breathable (But is considered windproof, so it wouldn't let enough air though) or a material with a nice DWR finish (that's breathable) as a secondary cover for the filter...I don't know if such a material exists though...I just know it works well in winter by keeping elements out, but letting my body breath (so I don't trap lots of sweat and freeze because sweat freezes)

Without revealing too much:
Mens Warehouse: "you're gonna like the way you look, I guarantee it!"
RotoRocks Turbo: You're gonna like the way it runs, I guarantee it! :)

He he he.

As I build it, you will see.

Wait I thought about that doesn't the 911 have underbody panels to control airflow and reduce turbulence under the car? On a normal Carrera there are panels that go from the front of the car to the back of the car covering the engine, so wouldn't the turbos be covered as well? So in a way they would be protected?

Still more concerned about the water...as water can splash up, people here are scared to drive with CAIs all year round, this filter looks like it sits even lower than a CAI would (But pictures CAN be deceiving) it would be nice to see a nice metal box being built to shelter the airfilter somehow...wonder if it could work.

Actually I just thought of something, it's not really a concrete idea, I think a filter box with a 'tube' or ' 'duct' (extending from the box being the only opening) moved higher could have some merit in shielding the box from water, don't build the box water tight, 'drain' spaces so water can drain out, but not alot of water can get in, and if water gets into the 'tube/duct' thing (which if directed, very little water will get in, but the water that does can be drained out). I'd need to get under the car to see if it's possible, but winter + under car = ftl.

Another suggestion (going off the idea of clothes) is to use a waterproof type laminate that isn't windproof...kinda like Gortex, which is waterproof but very breathable (But is considered windproof, so it wouldn't let enough air though) or a material with a nice DWR finish (that's breathable) as a secondary cover for the filter...I don't know if such a material exists though...I just know it works well in winter by keeping elements out, but letting my body breath (so I don't trap lots of sweat and freeze because sweat freezes)



Your concerns have come up many times before in regards to the STS turbos for LS1 F-bodies, GTos, corvettes, mustangs etc.. The fact is that you would have to submerge the filter to create enough suction to suck up enough water to damage the engine. First off the turbo is hot, so small amounts of water, if they got in, would falsh to steam. Second it is a long intake tract that gives the water more time to vaporize. Third when its raining out you wont be going into boost, so you arent going to have a huge vacuum at the filter to suck up water. the filter does an admirable job of keeping water and objects out. Some who have been very concerned about water and debris have used K&N pre-filter socks over their filters. Similar in idea to your thoughts on gore-tex.


BC

Your concerns have come up many times before in regards to the STS turbos for LS1 F-bodies, GTos, corvettes, mustangs etc.. The fact is that you would have to submerge the filter to create enough suction to suck up enough water to damage the engine. First off the turbo is hot, so small amounts of water, if they got in, would falsh to steam. Second it is a long intake tract that gives the water more time to vaporize. Third when its raining out you wont be going into boost, so you arent going to have a huge vacuum at the filter to suck up water. the filter does an admirable job of keeping water and objects out. Some who have been very concerned about water and debris have used K&N pre-filter socks over their filters. Similar in idea to your thoughts on gore-tex.


BC

Haha I'm tempted to buy one of those things and wash it with Nikwax waterproofing solution and see it work...

Got my T3 flange, and 3" in/out high flow catalytic which will be going after the turbo. There won't be any more smell. :)

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If you are going to run a cat, how much thought have you given to the placement. If you put it infront of the turbo, wouldn't that create more heat for the turbo to make use of? It may be a flow restriction there, but it would be a restriction after the turbo too.

rotorocks: The images aren't showing up correctly, I have to copy and paste the links into the address bar for them to show up.

and you found a way to put in a cat *AFTER* the turbo (piping wise)? or are you saying you are going to mount it after you mount the turbo (time wise)? Sorry studying like a madman for exams here :)

If you are going to run a cat, how much thought have you given to the placement. If you put it infront of the turbo, wouldn't that create more heat for the turbo to make use of? It may be a flow restriction there, but it would be a restriction after the turbo too.

I don't care about how much it will restrict the flow to be honest (well I do, but I am not so concerned with it given the circumstances). It is a high flow cat, although his could easily be an exaggeration. Hopefully it will be flowing well enough.
I have driven with the stock cat in place for a while (and it was before the turbo) and it spooled not much different from what it does now. Argue all you want, but in the end though temps may help with spool, it is in my opinion negligible. It is the volume and speed of gas that spins the turbine.

The cat will be far, far away from the collector, and most likely will never see temps higher than 1200F or so, where it is to be placed.
If proven to be a significant restriction, I'll delete it later. I want it, because I am tired of the smell the car produces when idling with Int-X, as I am sure many will be after a while.

The CAT option is going to be just that, an option, for people who wants a fast, and pleasant DD car.

rotorocks: The images aren't showing up correctly, I have to copy and paste the links into the address bar for them to show up.

and you found a way to put in a cat *AFTER* the turbo (piping wise)? or are you saying you are going to mount it after you mount the turbo (time wise)? Sorry studying like a madman for exams here :)

The images show just fine for me :sad:
Physically, after turbo.

They load for me now on the page because they are stored in the browser's cache. If I open it up in a different browser or clear the cache the images don't load unless if I view them first by copying and pasting into the address bar to view them =/

And if you can fit a cat AFTER the turbo you have skills (From the images I've seen)

Thanks, I try to be imaginative, :) but I still need much improvement on my welds. Purchasing a grinder, helped with this considerably though. ;)

Welds can be messy IMO, they don't need to be clean, as long as they are sealed it's all good :).

Worse comes to worse, the person who buys your kit can file down the welds (a little) if they think they're ugly :p

The question now is...how do you get the CEL for no cat to turn off when the cat goes after the turbo? I guess that would just be extending the O2 sensor harness and placing a bung somewhere else...

I don't even use the stock sensor to begin with. Int-X do not need it. And the thrown cell i just ignore :)
but to address your concern, yes, a bung will be installed in an alternate location.

haha...the int-x is just a piggy back, it doesn't learn, I'm hoping (if you even have time) to make a map for the cobb accessport (if it ever comes out) or hyamee's new ecu flash device thing :) that way the car can still adjust to various temps and altitudes without needing a retune.

The remote turbo looks 1000x easier than installing a procharger in my old sentra (which took cutting of sheetmetal to get everything to fit)

Are you using a Oil Filter adapter for the feed/return lines? Did you get another pump to help the oil move to the rear of the car and back to the front again?

yes for adapter, yes for easier install, and yes for the oil pump :)
when the new tools for tuning come out, and become well tested, i will use them.
I do not wish to be a guinea pig on those.

Int-X can adjust based on intake temps, but it is coarse and can only give or take a 1% at a time for the entire fuel curve.

I really don't get it, why they made it so god damn coarse. what had stopped the micro tech from making the fuel cells adjustable by increments of 1, instead of 5, or by increments of 0.1% instead a whole percent? :banghead:

It takes quite a bit to figure the base map, but once it is set, you'll always get your fuel when you need it.

looking good when we droping it on my 8

Working on it bro... as well as trying to organise a SOFL meet: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=136353
Looks like we don't have one of our own here. WTF?

am ini for sure

For kicks I made a video of the car driveby's and a burnout with the current system. :)
So far only the burnout is uploaded, but I will do the rest later.

Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_PcZjeN3nA

Nice. I'm sure the neighbors love you.:)

nioce
your neighbours must lurve you :)

snap

My neighbor was actually filming :)
I don't do it a lot, and this was today, during the day, noone around.
I was at home waiting for a delivery, and my buddy is a pilot, so he is on call.

I remember we did that out front of DMP's house and his bitchy neighbor called the association head and complained. Too fun:)

I don't know where you live, but there are fairly young folks around here, and I know them well. There lived through me doing nitrous, building the first turbo and revving it with no muffler at all... :)

There is another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXvVrs5F7j0

And the video ended because you hit the cameraman?:)

nice!!!!!!!!!!

sell sell sell

just a damn minute I don't know who got the first but second has been mine from the getgo tell them rocks

ive been talkin to rock since he started stage one

Gonna have to sell it to the highest bidder :-P
:lol:

Don't worry, unless you decide to go custom, when ready, I will take the orders, and start making them in a batch.
so whoever is first, will be first.

By the way i spoke with a local performance shop yesterday, about him wanting to participate in making the systems, and the guy was glad to offer his help, and welding expertise. And I saw his work. The guy makes cleanest and nicest welds I ever saw. Aluminum, or steel.

rocks pm me details
am ready

rocks pm me details
am ready

Well, I am not exactly ready yet, myself. ...don't want to make you pay for my mistakes. I aim to have the prototype on my car by spring time, and the kit shortly after sometime. Until then, please be patient.

You are always welcome to take a drive over to my place, and take a ride in my car. That should increase your appetite some :lol:

but are you game to post a dyno on here ......

I won't be dynoing the old system, but the new one yes. There will definitely be a dyno.

cool - look forward to seeing that .

Personally though I never understood peoples fascination with the dyno results.
it is pretty much the same everywhere (based on manifold pressure, intake charge temp and AF ratio). Nevertheless, it is a part of the marketing strategy. :)

wooot cant wait thanks roto

Personally though I never understood peoples fascination with the dyno results.
it is pretty much the same everywhere (based on manifold pressure, intake charge temp and AF ratio). Nevertheless, it is a part of the marketing strategy. :)

I agree to a certain extent . However it is the only real comparitive tool we have apart from 1/4 mile runs etc and no-one really does that stuff around here ...

I agree to a certain extent . However it is the only real comparitive tool we have apart from 1/4 mile runs etc and no-one really does that stuff around here ...

True.
Besides, I'm curious myself :Peace:

Yeah. A Dyno is like the SAT for car mods. It's not necessarily a good measurement but it's the only yardstick we have.:)

by the way how much u boosting now rocks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2L--ypkyKA
here ya go rocks^^^ lol

by the way how much u boosting now rocks

If in high gear, it may hit 13, but usually from 10-12.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2L--ypkyKA
here ya go rocks^^^ lol

That is soo cool!

i want i want i want i want!!!!

rocks thats bad as hex
cant wait :spank: my brothers FC

Worked on the stage II prototype for 2 days, here is the progress:
Hot side almost complete. :) Would have probably finished the hot side, but I run out of flux wire for the welder, so had to quit. Besides I was exhausted. Try balancing that turbine in one hand laying on your back, while trying to make things fit... :lol:

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getting closer

:naughty: :fingersx: :FIREdevil

this looks sick..

getting closer

:naughty: :fingersx: :FIREdevil

Yeah.
Need to finish the waistgate, add the that spring-loaded flex flange to the end, grind and clean up all the welds (it actually doesn't look as bad in reality than it is on the pictures) and the hot side is finished.

The tricky part now will be to figure out a tight and clean way to rout two 2.5" aluminum pipes into the engine compartment, but I'll get it done.

Suweet

Are you using an intercooler? Have you checked intake temps with and without one? I am wondering if one is necessary with such a long run of pipe to cool the air flow.

I think he would still need an intercooler. On a hot day the road temps would be very high. Even moving the charge temps would stay pretty high.

Is that really where it mounts?

If its lower than that crossmember I can tell you that speedbumps and steep driveways are going to murder that thing.

It is not lower than the cross member. it sits perfectly, and clears just as good as the stock cat does.

Yes, you absolutely need an intercooler. charge travels at very high speeds through the pipes, I doubt you'd get much cooling out of the length of that pipe.
I have a HUGE front mount air to air intercooler. If you look for my old "ohh well here comes another turbo" thread, there are pictures of it.

Here is one from the old days when I worked on the first turbo:

http://lh6.google.com/vdarevsk/RxI58MfPHRI/AAAAAAAABf8/BO6fyuaffbU/disney%20006.jpg?imgmax=800

Thanks, I'm still keeping track of your progress.

is that thing (turbo)"waterproof"??

Waterproof? :lol: when running it won't even get wet.

Fitted the waistgate today.
here are pics:

http://lh5.google.com/vdarevsk/R6fN7xcGmkI/AAAAAAAACZo/a_7FTp-bmAc/Blog%20025.jpg?imgmax=800

http://lh5.google.com/vdarevsk/R6fOBxcGmlI/AAAAAAAACZw/f4qt53077Sk/Blog%20024.jpg?imgmax=800

start getting a price ready

Keep in mind, that all the black/yellow residue, and burn sports, and stuff will come off, I will grind all the welds clean, and attempt my best at polishing the pipes. Possibly even painting it, so it looks really sexy. :yumyum:

Keep in mind, that all the black/yellow residue, and burn sports, and stuff will come off, I will grind all the welds clean, and attempt my best at polishing the pipes. Possibly even painting it, so it looks really sexy. :yumyum:

Sexy!

is that thing (turbo)"waterproof"??

porsche has a corner on the 'waterproof' turbo market. Everyone else has to get the turbos that explode the minute water touches them. Its true. :yesnod:



I have been wondering why you needed such a large turbo with a remote mount, but now I have my answer. You packed that thing a lot closer to the engine bay than I imagined. I was thinking you pulled muffler and were installing it back there. I actually like this position better.


Congrats.


BC

I was thinking you pulled muffler and were installing it back there. I actually like this position better.


The turbo I have currently is in place of the muffler. Yes, I like this position much better. away from the gas tank, as close to the engine as any other turbo, less pipe to run, will be able to utilize the "standard" position for the air intake. In fact, I will be using the stock air box and filter, like MM does on his car. Ability to use a CAT, and I can use any choice of a muffler I choose. (Stock, in my case because I want it as quiet as possible)

I don't know about exploding turbos. the one I have now, has seen more water than any other turbo in the rx8 community. It rains really hard down here in the summer :)

Are You Going Too Use Int-x For Now

Yes. why? you want EMU? :)

close on a price yet i have my taxes and temped to buy so many thing

ahhhhhhh stop the voices

I have a number in mind. ;-)

shoot please shoot pmme

Nelson,
PM sent.

shoot please shoot pmme

+1+1+1+1 please boss

+1+1+1+1 please boss

ill take one too if you dont mind

It is beginning to take shape. :-)

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=114801&stc=1&d=1202310176

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=114800&stc=1&d=1202310176

looking sik, so so sik

I little marketing plug :)
I was doing some research, and talking with a couple of vendors for the past couple of days, and as a result I want to expand the system functionality.
When the product is released, it will come out in different configurations depending on the customers needs. Different sized turbos (with T70 obviously being the king), Cat option, and different Intercooling setups too.
Stay tuned. Were getting closer.

Options are always great, seems like your product is gonna be a great kit. Good luck with finishing it up, its definitely gonna be a very unique kit. Are you planning to sell it as a vendor like Greddy or Esmeril or are you going to sell a limited amount for maybe a limited amount of time?

Worked all day today.
fitted the system, yet again. Finalized waistgate installation, begun pre intercooler piping.

What's left is to weld in the O2 sensor bong, finish the exhaust pipe (weld in the cat, and the exhaust flange), connect the intercooler, connect the oil lines.

I (yet again) screwed up welding the waistgate to the main dump pipe. :)
Got my weld going quite clean, but while was welding the thin stainless dump pipe, I forgot to switch the welder to less power, and as a result, before I even realized, burned a couple of decent size holes in the pipe. had to then put a load of weld to seal the holes, and yet again use the grinder to make it look at least somewhat presentable.

For now, the air filter will stay as it is on the pics, untill I figure out a way to run a wide enough (3") intake pipe up into the engine bay. So far, I just don't have any aluminum tubing to play with. Just some bits and pieces from last install, which is not enough. Because of that, I will keep the after-intercooler side as it is currently, but will be replacing everything within the next month or so.

Here are some pics:

http://lh5.google.com/vdarevsk/R65mQCLSl0I/AAAAAAAACdA/tBrgvZatyqs/Blog%20033.jpg?imgmax=800

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rotorocks im not exactly fi savy, could you please explain what a remote turbo system is?

rotorocks im not exactly fi savy, could you please explain what a remote turbo system is?

It is located outside of the engine bay.

STS pioneered them -

http://www.ststurbo.com/

In the RX-8, the muffler itself is huge, so there is a lot of available room for a turbo.....

S

Well, the system I am building now, is not exactly "remote". The turbo is not farther from the engine than it is on Mazsport system, or Esmeril. It is still outside of the engine bay, however, and below the oil level, which makes it fall into the category of "Remote". I however prefer to call this one "The G Spot" Turbo. :lol2:

Ok, the turbo piece is done :)

Tomorrow it goes into the car!!!

http://lh5.google.com/vdarevsk/R6-4jyLSl5I/AAAAAAAACeE/r-3uNbE9Uyk/Blog%20016.jpg?imgmax=576

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am going next

this is one of those threads that costs me at least an hour just catching up, but boy is it worth it.. subscribed

OK, turbo is in, and running.
Bad things: There are 2 bugs, that I need to sort out.
1) need to weld a 90 turbo elbow to the turbine outlet, while cutting off about 1" off in order to gain the necessary clearance. It is hanging too low.
2) need to get the car on the lift, and shuffle around the downpipe.
I was tired and impatient when I was finishing it, and thus the punishment. the cat comes in contact with the body, and causes the noise to transfer inside the cabin, making it uncomfortable to drive.

Good things: It is freakin' unbelievable!
Even when not in boost, the car feels much stronger because of the better flow!
I was riding all day today, so after going back and forth for a bit, I let her have it at 9PSI. I have yet never felt my car pull so hard. It just keeps making power through the rpm as if there is no end to it. all the way up keeps on pulling harder and harder.

Now to the debugging stage.
I will drive it around, work, home... and fix stuff as it comes about.
the entire construction appears to be very solid. No leaks, of any kind, so hopefully no issues will occur.

Congrats!

wooot!! i cant wait to see the final result !

Vlad Im coming to your house this weekend... PM sent.

I was riding all day today, so after going back and forth for a bit, I let her have it. I have yet never felt her pull so hard. there is no end to it. all the way up keeps on pulling harder and harder.

.

this paragraph needs to be kept in context .:rollingla

otherwise :ylsuper:

this paragraph needs to be kept in context .:rollingla

otherwise :ylsuper:

Damn it! :banghead: Made me read my original post like 2 times before I figured it out. :lol2:

By the way, for those who are skeptical about having the intake positioned so low and drawing in water, please note where the intake is located right now. ^^
Also take a look at the weather I was driving in. (Pic. below) Nasty. Water everywhere... no issues whatsoever. :)

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115194&stc=1&d=1202915158


Another positive thing I have noticed is that the heat from the manifold and the turbo, does not transfer onto the car body at all. The cup holders no longer serve as drink warmers. :)

good job man

sweet! =]

I still cant believe you got it all to fit in the spot we measured out, very impressed man, cant wait to see it in person this weekend.

Looks sweet, Vlad. I like the new location, as well. Perhaps some pictures of it mounted up?

Update:
On Thursday, the car stalled at a traffic light. just stopped while idling, and i couldn't get it started again.
Had to get it towed home. :(
Pulled the plugs, and while the second rotor was ok (more or less) the plugs on the first rotor (both leading and trailing) were a mess.
the gaps HUGE, the outside terminals (the external contact where the wires are sitting on), were covered with acidic green residue...
Also inspecting coils, I found the one of the coils had a really distinct white spot on it (the second from the front) is it the 1rst rotor trailing, if I am not mistaken?
I had a spare coil so I replaced it, but plugs I had to order, and they are not yet delivered. so I am waiting... and waiting...

meanwhile I had to get to work somehow, so i paid 30 bucks to renew the registration on my bike, and rode it to work.

without being used to it, rifing a crotch rocket for 40 miles is a pain in the ass... thank god a guy i work with wanted to trade for the night, so he let me take his 325i BMW while I let him take my bike :)

...Cute car, but it is sooo slow. :) I can't wait for the plugs to arrive.

Devin, thanks man for taking a trip over on saturday to keep me company while I was reworking the dump pipe. And thanks for the pizza :) Sorry you didn't get to drive. Next time will be better luck. You are welcome to come by anytime, brother.

That's odd. What do you think that green residue was?

Sounds like you need the Mazsport ignition upgrade.

That's odd. What do you think that green residue was?

Looked like the oxidation. Moisture must have gotten in. Which impaired the contact, weakened the spark, and put too much strain on the coil....

Hopefully it wasn't water leaking in from the coolant system!?!

Hopefully it wasn't water leaking in from the coolant system!?!

Can you elaborate? where could it have leaked from to get onto the plug terminals?

I've seen that green slime gunk on plug terminals before . Don't ask me how it gets there - just saying :)

Strange thing is that I found it on the front rotor only. the plugs on the other rotor were in a great shape. no buildup on the terminals, no excessive carbon on the electrodes, nothing out of the ordinary...

Can you elaborate? where could it have leaked from to get onto the plug terminals?

IIRC - alneilsen mentioned something about having an engine replaced because of coolant in the rotor housing. I thought this might be similar and the coolant might have leaked out the plug hole and onto the terminal? It was just a thought...

I had green oxidation on mine. Stemmed from not putting on the plug wires correctly (the boot should slide on far enough cover all of the ridges on the spark plug).

i WISH i would have known about this about a year and a half ago whenever i got rid of my 8 for a speed6...i love the car but i've found that it's got its problems being a 1st year production run just as my 04 8 did...i hope to get back into an 8 in the next few years whenever schooling is finished up and you will have my business!!! great job and quality of everything, and i hope you figure out all your problems

Hopefully your car is up and running soon roto

IIRC - alneilsen mentioned something about having an engine replaced because of coolant in the rotor housing. I thought this might be similar and the coolant might have leaked out the plug hole and onto the terminal? It was just a thought...This is true. Coolant was leaking into the rear rotor housing. This caused it to sputter for a minute or two when starting it up in the morning. It would run fine the rest of the day. Engine was replaced. I never pulled out the plugs so I can't say if they looked like yours or not.

I still cant believe you got it all to fit in the spot we measured out, very impressed man, cant wait to see it in person this weekend.

Devon (sorry about spelling if wrong),

You sneaky jerk...going FI I see! Well I have to say that using Rotors setup is one I contemplated myself. Very good choice my friend. Just make sure after the prototype is complete and your install gets completed that you give me a ride...hehehe!

BTW, I'm moving to Miami so I will be able to hang out with the DSR people more often I think.

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It is located outside of the engine bay.
ok now another question. since its not in the bay will this kit offer any other engine bay appeal for ppl like me who show their car? thx man

ok now another question. since its not in the bay will this kit offer any other engine bay appeal for ppl like me who show their car? thx man

You obviously won't see the turbo, but you will see an intake tube with a Blow-off valve on it, similar to the GReddy kit's look without the air filter and other charge tube.

Looking at it, it does not seem water would be a problem and you could use something like Volant Pre-Filter as a cover over the air filter to help block water and dirt.

I'm curious about the "impact resistance" of this turbo in it's location. The cats on the RX-8 have been known to get banged up a bit as its the lowest point on the car.

Is the location so that other parts of the car, during an underside impact, will hit first and before hitting the turbo?

Is there any type of plate you are thinking of creating to protect it?

Looking at it, it does not seem water would be a problem and you could use something like Volant Pre-Filter as a cover over the air filter to help block water and dirt.

I'm curious about the "impact resistance" of this turbo in it's location. The cats on the RX-8 have been known to get banged up a bit as its the lowest point on the car.

Is the location so that other parts of the car, during an underside impact, will hit first and before hitting the turbo?

Is there any type of plate you are thinking of creating to protect it?

Possibly.
On this particular prototype, the low points of the system are the compressor outlet and the waist gate.

turbo itself is sitting deep inside the well, and is not much exposed. the actual manifold runner is lower than the turbo, and should take the impact of let's say rolling over a high speed bump, rather than the turbo.

for the production builds the waistgate will be taken further back, and upwards from where it is currently, so that i can completely hide it. (there is is still enough room for that)

The compressor outlet will most likely be modified, and instead of pointing down, will be turned around and point upward and forward, thus completely deleting the issue of clearance.

I personally had never even once scraped the cat, ever. and the issue of it hitting something in my opinion is greatly exaggerated. Just don't try to drive over large speed-bumps at excessive speeds, and you'll be fine :)

Possibly.
On this particular prototype, the low points of the system are the compressor outlet and the waist gate.

turbo itself is sitting deep inside the well, and is not much exposed. the actual manifold runner is lower than the turbo, and should take the impact of let's say rolling over a high speed bump, rather than the turbo.

for the production builds the waistgate will be taken further back, and upwards from where it is currently, so that i can completely hide it. (there is is still enough room for that)

The compressor outlet will most likely be modified, and instead of pointing down, will be turned around and point upward and forward, thus completely deleting the issue of clearance.

I personally had never even once scraped the cat, ever. and the issue of it hitting something in my opinion is greatly exaggerated. Just don't try to drive over large speed-bumps at excessive speeds, and you'll be fine :)

This seem pretty good protection. But still, why not have some type of plate fabricated for protection and as a option? I'm sure it will at least be a "peace of mind" type of thing for some customers.

Just seem like a pre-filter for the air filter and protection plate of some type should alleviate any concerns about the remote turbo location.

Well the main factor to this is the cost. Since (once the beta testing stage is complete) I am planning to outsource the production of the manifold unit to a reputable and properly equipped fabrication facility. Making these sorts of things, may be too expensive for the benefit they provide. To just throw it in will bite deep into margin (which given the outsourcing portion) will not be high to begin with.

This could be done if I made the kits on my own, which although does seem like a profitable thing to do, requires A WHOLE LOT of time and effort, and based on the interest I am getting to this point, may turn out to be simply overwhelming.

Talking about Beta testing, if anyone is interested, for a price that is quite a bit lower than the projected retail, I will accept orders from gutsy individuals who want me personally to build their Kits. In return I'll need the pioneers to ride for a while with the kits set exactly as I have had them shipped without changing the ignition, boost or fuel settings at all, and feed me with the Int-X data logs, and other feedback now and then.
The only requirement for this is, you must have Int-X. Whether you get it on your own, or purchase it through me, I don't really care. But it must be the engine management system for this deal to work.

Feel Free to PM for more info.

So I assume you make these Prototypes with a safe tune so to speak and the boost limited so we don't blow our engines?

Eventually once you get all your log data we would get a better tune for power.

Man O man do I wish I had a few G's lyin around! :eyetwitch :eyetwitch :)

So I assume you make these Prototypes with a safe tune so to speak and the boost limited so we don't blow our engines?

Eventually once you get all your log data we would get a better tune for power.

Man O man do I wish I had a few G's lyin around! :eyetwitch :eyetwitch :)

correct.
This will be a very conservative tune with boost set to a max of 9psi