I was trying to search the forums for any info on 13b rew from a 3rd gen rx7.

13b, 13b rew resulted in nothing and i know this has been talked about before im wondering if the search function is somewhat broken.

Is there anyone on this forum that has succesfully completed this swap.

I was trying to find info on details of the swap.

I would appreciate any help.

Thanks

http://www.rx7club.com

thanks dominion but im looking for specific info on the swap of the 13brew into the rx8.

Its been done a few times. There are some cars in japan and what not but they are all shop cars, not individual peoples cars. There are 3 drift cars that have it done too. Tony Angelos rx-8 and the new blue rx-8 have it and the d1 JIC rx-8 has it done too.

Oh I missed that here then
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2008754
See post #136 page #6 Poster is fc3s.org
SpeedMachine You might want to PM him.

nice i will thanks!

Also them Puerto rican's got there sh!t down but they don't talk much so start making friends ;)

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=124861

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=113889

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=124861

Interesting. They got it running with the PFC and the stock gauges still work. I need to see how did they make this work.

Thanks for all the help guys i got a chance to talk with fc3s.org and got some interesting info.

Originaly we were going to go with a 20b street driven car. That doubles for show and promotional purposes. But after reading all of the 20b PR thread. I decided it was more power than we wanted to handle/invest in.

So with that said our first step is to source out 2 13b rew engines and 1 fd possibly 2 transmissions.

from there we will have them both rebuilt with all the goodies 3mm apex seals, street port ect.

I have been looking into single turbo set ups for the engine that will result in decent numbers. Gotham racing has some great single turbo set ups. Possibly the same turbo that speed machine shop uses they changed their twin set up to a single for a more linear torque curve and better flow at high rpms.

In short we are looking to have around 400-450 whp with as much torque as we can get.

after all the parts have been decided we will then source out a place of install, being in socal there are a bunch of good rotary shops here.
Speed machine is definatly high on the list considering they have successfully done the swap.

as for exterior and suspension the car will recieve a set of tanabe sevens with teas system, loads of chassis stiffening mods, 18x10 volk gts, Brakes are tbd. Going with the rmagic front bumper carbon splitter and canards veilside d1gp sides mazda speed rear. rmagic or seibon carbon hood, carbon trunk.

project time is estimated about 1 year to be fully complete when we get the ball rolling ill start a thread with pictures and full details.

Also i have found a new home for the renesis. that will be talked about later =D

thanks for everyones help!

i would love to see a step y step or something similar on how to do this. I'm pretty sure I can manage to get the engine in and the turbo and all that stuff. Is the wring that I would have problem with. I wonder if the Inte-X can run this set up?

Yea I will make sure to document the swap as detailed as possible.

Hondasr4kids For the most part i see the pr 20b guys and fc3s have chose the haltech to run the engine. I will be going along that same route aswell.

i would love to see a step y step or something similar on how to do this. I'm pretty sure I can manage to get the engine in and the turbo and all that stuff. Is the wring that I would have problem with. I wonder if the Inte-X can run this set up?
Yes the Interceptor-X can be ordered to allow the installation of an FC or FD engine.

couple of questions..

I'm a newb with 8.. But not with FD's. Is traction control and such run thru 8 ecu or thru another ecu?

Second, has any non-race team put in an 13B-rew into their 8? I have several 13b Rew laying round and I'm thinking about doing this swap when my renesis goes out.

Yeah if you follow the links. This person put in a 13b from his fd, he also used the wiring harness from an fd that's how he has a power fc. He does have a shop in Athens named JDM-R*which imports cars for parts, no racing team though. There are a few videos on you tube.

Yeah if you follow the links. This person put in a 13b from his fd, he also used the wiring harness from an fd that's how he has a power fc. He does have a shop in Athens named JDM-R*which imports cars for parts, no racing team though. There are a few videos on you tube.

I've seen those videos.. but does not really answer my questions.. I figure that it would be easiest to just use FD harness and PFC since its the easiest method of wiring an engine... But I wasn't sure regarding traction, abs, etc as wasn't sure if stock 8 ECU controlled all this. One thing for sure, OBD and such will be eliminated but who cares (only problem will be those who live in a city that requires emission as all they do is plug it in instead of sniffer test). I guess, I need to track down an electric wiring diagram and see how the car is wired..

I've seen those videos.. but does not really answer my questions.. I figure that it would be easiest to just use FD harness and PFC since its the easiest method of wiring an engine... But I wasn't sure regarding traction, abs, etc as wasn't sure if stock 8 ECU controlled all this. One thing for sure, OBD and such will be eliminated but who cares (only problem will be those who live in a city that requires emission as all they do is plug it in instead of sniffer test). I guess, I need to track down an electric wiring diagram and see how the car is wired..

That's what I want to figure out. I like the idea of the wiring harness of the FD but I want the OEM Cluster to work and all the other stuff like PS, ABS, BLAH, BLAH....

Now if I can get the AC, PS and the cluster to work without the RX-8 ecu then to hell with everything else. I just remove the bulbs out of the back of the cluster.

Would the RX-8 tranny mate to the FD engine?

That's what I want to figure out. I like the idea of the wiring harness of the FD but I want the OEM Cluster to work and all the other stuff like PS, ABS, BLAH, BLAH....

Now if I can get the AC, PS and the cluster to work without the RX-8 ecu then to hell with everything else. I just remove the bulbs out of the back of the cluster.

Would the RX-8 tranny mate to the FD engine?

yes it will according to fc3s but just like the 20b guys it really depends on the driver how long it will last.

I'm sure getting the OEM cluster to work wouldn't be a problem.. I might ask Hinson next time I see him and ask how they hook up LS1 ECU to FD cluster. It would be very similar to FD to 8 cluster..

timmy, I'm not sure what you meant when you said, "depend on driver how long it will last".. but since getting more involved in FD's and learning more about tuning ECU's the myth about rotary turbo engines going bad is beginning to disappear as we now know more about tuning and such. I believe recently ErnieT in NJ made over 700+RWHP on 2 rotor engine, which is quite amazing accomplishment. And there are several FD owners making 400+RWHP without any issues..

The specific car doesn't have traction control and yes using the fd harness you lose everything, but if you keep everything(ecu and harness) from rx8 with a standalone you can get mostly everything working. There are ways to get the stock gauges to work and the power steering. As for the transmission the rx8 and rx7 have the same pattern(bear in mind that the rx8 is a 6speed therefore is longer so if you plan on using the fd transmission you're either going to move the engine further back or make a longer prop shaft). I don't want to give out too much info bcause some people might get angry and we don't want that. If you search enough on 20b projects you can figure out most of it.

Why would some one get angry if you are shring good info?

I'm sure getting the OEM cluster to work wouldn't be a problem.. I might ask Hinson next time I see him and ask how they hook up LS1 ECU to FD cluster. It would be very similar to FD to 8 cluster..

timmy, I'm not sure what you meant when you said, "depend on driver how long it will last".. but since getting more involved in FD's and learning more about tuning ECU's the myth about rotary turbo engines going bad is beginning to disappear as we now know more about tuning and such. I believe recently ErnieT in NJ made over 700+RWHP on 2 rotor engine, which is quite amazing accomplishment. And there are several FD owners making 400+RWHP without any issues..

we were talking about the rx8 transmission not the fds im well aware of what kind of power the fds transmission can hold.

The specific car doesn't have traction control and yes using the fd harness you lose everything, but if you keep everything(ecu and harness) from rx8 with a standalone you can get mostly everything working. There are ways to get the stock gauges to work and the power steering. As for the transmission the rx8 and rx7 have the same pattern(bear in mind that the rx8 is a 6speed therefore is longer so if you plan on using the fd transmission you're either going to move the engine further back or make a longer prop shaft). I don't want to give out too much info bcause some people might get angry and we don't want that. If you search enough on 20b projects you can figure out most of it.

Actually the FD tranny is longer, one of the reason why FD guys can't use it.

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=682620

Why would some one get angry if you are shring good info?

I'd love to give out info but I've had trouble in the past with certain mechanics, and really don't want to waste my time fighting with them and their bullshit, bcause they want to be the only ones doing it. Personally I don't have the money right now for a 13b rew block (anyone willing to send a spare one b my guest) otherwise I would do it and show step-by-step. That way no one could give me shit about something I did to my own car.

I'd love to give out info but I've had trouble in the past with certain mechanics, and really don't want to waste my time fighting with them and their bullshit, bcause they want to be the only ones doing it. Personally I don't have the money right now for a 13b rew block (anyone willing to send a spare one b my guest) otherwise I would do it and show step-by-step. That way no one could give me shit about something I did to my own car.

So, have you done this swap or are you looking for someone to donate an engine so you could do it?

I know exactly how to do it, like I said I don't have the money right now for the short block. I had an rx7 fd for 9years and did just about anything you could do to an fd by myself, so I do know what I doing, but yeah if someone could donate an engine please be my guest!

check this out:

http://www.autotechmotorsports.com/project-rx8.htm

Phil,
I'm not sure how you would make everything work on the electrical end of things. But to get the engine to drop in, you'd probably have to use a renisis end plate if thats where the engine mount holes are. I haven't seen what a bare renisis block looks like so it's hard to say...I'm still a noob to the 8 world :)

-Dan (Scrub)