“Pettit Racing’s Forced Induction System puts the Mazda RX8 on par with Great Road Cars of the World”

300+hp and over 200lb-ft the RX8 is now a force to be reckoned

SHORT VIDEO CLIP (http://www.pettitracing.com/images/whats_new/MazdaRX8_Teaser_RPM.wmv)

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Over two years of R & D with road and track testing:

1.+60–80 HP
2.+50-70 lb-ft
3.Superb Drivability
4.Fast and Reliable
5.D.I.Y. Installation
6. Fits all RX8 models 6 port, 4 port, auto etc…
7. $4995.00 kit only

Already a superb handling drivers car, the extra power from Pettit’s system is just what the doctor ordered. “Wow! A most impressive yet refined driving experience.”

At Pettit, the same technology that won our Racing Championships is used to design, develop and produce our parts. This enables us to provide extremely reliable products giving you many miles of driving fun and excitement.

Aside from just providing extra power, here at Pettit we are creating several stages and levels of performance, in order to complement a variety of driving styles.

Pettit Racing strives to provide the highest quality components and workmanship. A fully CAD Designed System, a top rated Lysholm twin-screw compressor and all CNC machined billet drive pulleys, means you get a top quality system with parts that fit. Even our new Charge Chiller System (air to water intercooler setup) is designed with the latest technology and highest quality parts. This new system uses an advanced Jabsco Flojet Pump, dual Hayden Heat Exchangers and an internally finned tube Liquid I/C Core.

This Kit fits all RX8 engines both 6 port hi power as well as 4 port and autos, for use on the 4 port engines you simply put freeze plugs in the manifolds six port runners, later they can also be removed for use again on a 6 port, if need should ever arise.

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Highlights:
70-90 additional horsepower and 50-70 lbft torque with only 6-8 psi boost
Superb drivability and overall performance
Reliable and easy to maintain
D.I.Y. installation, with easy to follow instructions
Offer stages and configurations to suit most applications.
Use only the highest quality components

Stages:
Stage 1 System, still under development, non intercooled producing 235 hp @8500 and 155 lb ft tq. @ 5500 with 4- 5 psi boost.
Stage II System, intercooled, producing aproxmately 260 whp @8500 and 185 lb/ft torque. @ 5500 with 6- 8 psi boost, this translates to 160 lb/ft of torque by 3500 RPM.
Stage III System, Hi Boost, still under development.

R&D
Nearly two years of R&D with the RX8’s has resulted in several new products; to date we have logged over 30,000 miles and analyzed 400+ dyno runs. Several other RX8 products are still being developed. At Pettit R&D is ongoing and relentless; it makes our products #1.

Compressor:
Pettit chose the Lysholm compressor because it is one of the most efficient twin-screw compressors on the market today. Made by the Opcon Group in Sweden, the Lysholm’s advanced design provides a reduction in parasitic loss and charge temperature, which makes it more efficient than roots or centrifugal type units.

Charge Chiller System:
A Pump and Reservoir, with 2 Hi Efficiency Heat Exchangers providing a simple and effective system for maximum charge cooling which is suitable for use with most liquid intercoolers. The Charge Chiller System is included with our RX8 Forced Induction System

Liquid Cool Charge Intercooler:
Our Liquid Cool Charge System utilizes a very efficient liquid core built to Pettit specs. The simple design utilizes internally fined extruded tubes oven brazed to the headers. This design has proven to be the most efficient for this application.

Management:
Interceptor X EMS is our current choice for engine management, we have tested E-Manage and Unichip systems which will also work; however, our initial release will be priced without management. For those who already have the Interceptor X we will provide tuning maps at no charge. For those who don’t it can be purchased from us pre-mapped.

Intake manifold:
Another result of our lengthy development process is our new aluminum upper intake manifold. It redirects the six port intake runners and provides improved overall flow. This new maniflold replaces both parts of the stock plastic intake manifold assembly. The new manifold is included with Pettit’s RX 8 Compressor Kit.
This new manifold should also be a welcome addition for racing, turbo and hi boost applications where the stock plastic manifold proves inadequate.

Compressor by pass:
The compressor bypass system, allows the compressor to free spin during cruise and no load conditions. This improves efficiency and reduces charge temperatures, as well as providing better instantaneous power and torque, without lag. More of what compressors are known for.
Ignition cooling
Another cool features is cool air circulation for the ignition coils, this simple setup will surely improve coil performance as well as reliability.

C.A.R.B.
We will also be working on C.A.R.B. cert.

F.A.Q.
Q: What is a compressor and how does it work?
A: A compressor forces compressed air into the engine, more air than is possible under normal atmospheric conditions there by allowing more fuel to be added, thus creating more power

Q: How much horsepower will I get?
A: Pettit offers compressor systems with factory settings from 5-8 psi of boost pressure. This level of pressure typically results in a 35%-50% increase in horsepower, for the RX8 with our stage 2 kit aprox. 90 hp can be expected. Although, higher boost can be achieved by changing drive ratios, it is also necessary to make sure the management compensates for these changes. Pettit does not recommend exceeding 8 psi with the stock injectors.

Q: Is the compressor always working?
A: While the compressor is always spinning and moving air, it is not always producing boost. Our design utilizes a hi flow internal by pass valve which helps reduce charge temps as well as allowing the compressor to free spin unless there is a demand for power. When accelerating with either moderate or full power the by pass valve closes, instantly providing power and torque. The majority of time the compressor will be free spinning and not producing boost.

Q: Will the compressor affect gas mileage?
A: Fuel economy depends entirely on your driving habits; in some cases you may experience an increase in gas mileage. For example, under normal freeway driving the compressor is free spinning but the intercooler is still reducing charge temperatures and increasing efficiency of the charge, this causes more efficient combustion which can improve fuel mileage. Clearly, you are not interested in more horsepower for conservative driving; when you demand additional performance from your vehicle it will require additional fuel. If you are a "lead foot" your fuel economy will decline because your car is working harder. If you are simply using the extra power for occasional acceleration and passing performance, your fuel economy will be affected respectively. During highway testing we achieved 20 MPG.

Q: Will the compressor affect engine life?
A: Engine longevity is a function of your personal driving habits and how well your vehicle is tuned. If a vehicle is tuned properly and not abused, engine life should remain unaffected. Even a stock vehicle will show signs of premature aging if used under rigorous conditions such as racing and/or towing. Likewise, premature engine failure is a possibility with any vehicle that is not properly tuned and a boosted vehicle is no exception.

Q. Will the engine ping with the compressor?
A. Detonation (a pinging noise from the engine) is a sign that your vehicle is not running properly and can indicate a variety of problems including poor fuel quality and/or elevated operating temperatures. If detonation occurs avoid that operating range until better fuel is obtained or the problem is corrected. Demanding performance from a detonating engine will likely result in reduced engine life or engine failure.


Prices and specifications subject to change with out notice.
Copyright 2007 by Excellent Performance Inc. all rights reserved reproduction in part or whole prohibited.
TKT, Trak Pro, PROTEK, R-Tec and Pettit Racing are Trademarks of Excellent Performance Inc. Palm Beach, FL.

Very impressive install and finished product , congrats when will it be available for us in Australia ?

Ben

How do you intend to get CARB certification with the CEL issue?

because it doesn't ship with fuel management, duh.

just make sure to only give the car small amounts of throttle, or you will be in trouble.

I really don't care about this dispute, but why sh*t on vice^grip's thread? He seems like a pretty good guy.

I really don't care about this dispute, but why sh*t on vice^grip's thread? He seems like a pretty good guy.


The only person taking a dump here is your potty mouth reply :dunno:

I simply watched the vid and there's a CEL indicator sticking out like a sore thumb so it seemed like a valid question. I was curious to know if they have a management system planned that will resolve such issues ...

CEL, TCS/DSC (and not blinking, like a loss of traction), etc.

No one is taking a dump on ViceGrip. But don't expect there to only be rah-rah-rah responses to this.
Plenty of people take dumps on my threads and it usually leads to some interesting conversations.

It seems like it's starting to get personal.

And i'm not disputing anyone's opinion, but this is at least something in our market, and a little bit something is better than a whole lot of nothing (f&f tokyo drift quote btw)

So it has it's problems, it's something at least for us owners :)

It seems like it's starting to get personal.

Check back on page 22 or so of this thread (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=115801).


but this is at least something in our market, and a little bit something is better than a whole lot of nothing (f&f tokyo drift quote btw)


Yes. Agreed.

Now wouldn't it be nice if it were either a complete solution or the producers of the kit were at least honest about its completeness?

Now wouldn't it be nice if it were either a complete solution or the producers of the kit were at least honest about its completeness?


Of course, but there hasn't been any FI system released yet that has been complete (the closest full complete being mazsports). This one being no different, sell some kits(alot it seems and I wish them well), find the flaws, and fix it.

No, sorry. Scott's kits are absolutely complete. With a MazSport kit, you absolutely get what you pay for.
And, really, the GReddy kit is complete - if you leave it alone, which no one does.
Everyone wants a BOV and more boost and blah blah blah.

absolutely complete, CELs and all ... :p:

Looks like it goes no where fast IMO.....cool sounds tho

No, sorry. Scott's kits are absolutely complete. No bull like this thing. With a MazSport kit, you absolutely get what you pay for.
And, really, the GReddy kit is complete - if you leave it alone, which no one does.
Everyone wants a BOV and more boost and blah blah blah.

oh...is that right?????

i understand that parts have been on backorder for 2 months now with cars that have been sitting there all that time and that he expects payment up front...total amount...

dont see how you get what you pay for when you pay 12k and havent got anything for 8 weeks.

you need updated info my son!

I am not taking any of this personal... One way or the other! I certainly know that "I - Dan Z." am NOT one of these "Buffoons" you are speaking of Jeff! Or am I?
I also am not going to claim that I have some highly honed knowledge with all these various questions.

Jeff, I know by reading you that you have lots of expertise and knowledge on basic motor, FI and so on. I am not going to challenge you or pretend I have more Matchbox prowess than you do! Respectfully :).. If you have questions or doubts about any of the claims, please itemize them and I shall hand them off to Cam and let him speak for himself, his product and his company. The Multimedia Thread got outta control and I know Cam personally! He was not able to defend his product or any other aspect of the "complaints" and that was unfortunate. I know what he has put into the development of his blower, the successes and set-backs. I am not going to defend or make statements about the implosions in the other thread, but I will say that there were valid reasons for items "apparently" overlooked... Maf, Jet etc. Let's try to keep it in a Q & A format and I will get you a true answer without the smoke and mirrors.

Also... for the record... companies like GreEdy have way more than just like 4 or 5 guys working on their projects, and their initial release of the turbo was riddled with issues... some seeming absolutely rEtarDed.

Pettit is working on a Flash for the system... one that requires no external ECU. It is not right/ready/working so the Inter-X is suggested. I am not sure what the complaint is here, but if it can be posed as a direct question I will get you a direct answer from the source.

Cam does not have the time nor the Computer Savvy to Troll this forum and respond to every accusation being made.
As we are friends, and I was unhappy with the lack of rebuttal and defense of his product, I agreed to be his mouth piece. Only to the extent of compiling the questions posed and passing them on for him to write a response to. Not my interpretation of his response but his words written by him.
I am also goiing to post images and updates that he sends to me as he is a Paying and supporting vendor of the rx8club forum and as of now has no one to market the site for him.

I hope this is enough to explain my role. I am no Lemming... Any of you that know me know this to be true. I will troll like the other and can pop from time to time, but this is a Business thread and lets try top keep it in that type of respectful format!

And Yes... Cam is going to BLOW me!!!! LOL
Dan

+1

Having seen cam and his wife with some friendly runs in WPB in his black/gold rx-7 I must say they are cool people(Didnt even kknow it was them until a friend told me:)).....back to the thread I am waiting for the high boost I am interested to see what this kit can really do, as of right now it is okay. Most people are not high boost crazy HP people like me but hey I give them props for putting a product out there and putting up some decent numbers for what the general population is looking for.

absolutely complete, CELs and all ... :p:

True. The Int-X is not my cup 'o tea for sure.
However, If I call up Scott right now and order a kit, not withstanding Shinka's obvious FanGurl claims, I can get it and delete the Int-X and install my EMU.
Anyone can do that.
No one will be installing a MazSport system and find himself standing there for the better part of half a day wondering "Where does this brass nipple go?" and then, after calling for tech support, get an answer akin to "What brass nipple?".

I am not taking any of this personal... One way or the other! I certainly know that "I - Dan Z." am NOT one of these "Buffoons" you are speaking of Jeff! Or am I?


I dunno. Are you responsible for any of that crap in the other thread and do you believe that Mood was representing himself and Pettit accurately?
If not, then I think its fair to say you are not! :D:

Really, all of the questions I have to this point were asked in the other thread and answered by my own hands in the engine bay of one of these installed "kits".
I think the blower has potential, I just wonder why it took 3 years to get such an obviously simple piece of work out the door and have it still incomplete.
The manifold is nice - I guess if Mood was the guy fabricating that for free, I can see why it would have taken years to get it done.

So who closed the other thread? I was almost all caught up! Now it looks like this will turn into a repeat...let's not do that and use this to ask serious and bonifide questions in a decent manner and see if we get complete and accurate responses. That's all most of us want............. the info, but harrassing each other ain't gonna get it done. We all can be pricks at times, but let's start over in this thread

Steps off soapbox

oh...is that right?????

i understand that parts have been on backorder for 2 months now with cars that have been sitting there all that time and that he expects payment up front...total amount...

dont see how you get what you pay for when you pay 12k and havent got anything for 8 weeks.

you need updated info my son!

Yeah, its right. Call Betsey. Back order or not, you won't get a box full of parts with vacuum hoses labeled cryptically with paper tape and a box of "bonus" parts which a recent show on Comedy Central suggested were "superfluous".

Plus, $12k will get you WAY more power and "bling" than the SC. Try using one of the $7k kits (which are still more powerful) as the comparative benchmark.

And don't call me "son". It makes you sound like a cheap whore.

So who closed the other thread?
Wow - its completely gone! Shame, really. That was some of my finest work to date.

I have no intent of pulling this thread down to the level that Mood pulled the other one. But if you folks continue to make irrational arguments, skew the facts and speak pejoratively like you are "all gangsta hard 'an shit", you are gonna get what is coming to you.

The OP can always hit 'edit' then delete. If the original post is deleted, so is the entire thread.

The OP can always hit 'edit' then delete. If the original post is deleted, so is the entire thread.

Oh yeah.........I forgot that little fact! :wallbash:

AND................MM

"I have no intent of pulling this thread down to the level that Mood pulled the other one. But if you folks continue to make irrational arguments, skew the facts and speak pejoratively like you are "all gangsta hard 'an shit", you are gonna get what is coming to you."

I don't think you were speaking directly to me or counting me in as "folks" because I have made no such irrational arguments what-so-ever or skewed any facts............................not that I give a f*&^. :wavey:

Dave

Once again...

I can chirp of allot of reasonable answers to several of these points. Do I Officially represent Pettit in that capacity? NO. So I will refrain from answering questions that I believe I know the answer to, but cannot be for certain. The other questions that are my opinions to your opinions, I could answer also in my best reasoning, but once again, that defeats the purpose of THIS thread.

Lets no longer regurgitate the same trail over and over again. If you toiled with the system and have valuable input... PLEASE PM me and I will give you CAM's direct email so you can share your thoughts and input with him. If you do not want to help this product become a more viable and sound system, then why would you want to beat your head against this wall any longer? I do not logically think that Moon 0wns you this much? I will not get into that as I said... New day my friend... lets make it that way!

So who closed the other thread? I was almost all caught up! Now it looks like this will turn into a repeat...let's not do that and use this to ask serious and bonifide questions in a decent manner and see if we get complete and accurate responses. That's all most of us want............. the info, but harrassing each other ain't gonna get it done. We all can be pricks at times, but let's start over in this thread

Steps off soapbox

+1

That thread needed closing. Half of the posts contained in the last four or five pages would have probably fit in better in the lounge. This one appears to be heading in that direction pretty quickly.

This one appears to be heading in that direction pretty quickly.

How so? Fix it if you believe this to be the case. Pose the questions, use logic and facts and discuss the topic at hand rather than using veiled language and innuendo.

As I said in the other post - I have a real desire to see this kit work. The more solutions that are available, the better they will all get and the more knowledge I can acquire. Phil is one of the nicest people I know and I want to see his car become the screamer that he wants it to be.

Being a fanbois will not get you a cookie.

i want a cookie!

complaining solves nothing, action solves everything.

Being a fanbois will not get you a cookie.

No cookies, just checks in the mail from MazdaManiac.

complaining solves nothing, action solves everything.

who's complaining?

complaining solves nothing, action solves everything.

I'm all about action.

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^ I don't think so.....^

But your Avitars are! HA ha

No, sorry. Scott's kits are absolutely complete. No bull like this thing. With a MazSport kit, you absolutely get what you pay for.
And, really, the GReddy kit is complete - if you leave it alone, which no one does.
Everyone wants a BOV and more boost and blah blah blah.

I got my kit back in April it's running great what do you mean by the no bull like this thing.

After the last few weeks, I definately understand now why so many people get confused and upset on internet forums like this one. Every time I was confused, or concerned about something I read here, I contacted the source. Every time I talked to Scott @Mazsport, he was very helpfull and informative. Same thing with Cam@Pettit. He will tell you the kit, "tuning wise", is still a work in progress and he is still striving for improvements. I am sure that once I purchase this kit, Scott and Cam will both help me with the INT-X. The fact that both men are willing to take time from the mountain of work they have, and address my questions and concerns speaks to their character and business sense.

As I said in the other post - I have a real desire to see this kit work.



Most of what you have said up to now suggests otherwise . This dates back some time now - I still remember the "Beruit yard sale " comment .

with all the ups and downs of who do who don't do i can only say i hope to have the extra $$$ to buy this one day because i feel (imo)thats all i need for my everyday drive is just a little smack in my cars ass to move it a little more when i need it.for those of you who have everything working in your favor my hat is off for you.thank you vise grip for your info...it's sad in times like this we fuss about the small things and forget about the large ones.but remain human!

so when is stage I and III expected?

Vice, since you were asking people to PM you with questions and observations will you be posting those questions and answers from Cam so that we can see and learn as well?

Most of what you have said up to now suggests otherwise . This dates back some time now - I still remember the "Beruit yard sale " comment .

That is how it looked. The finished kit is prettier. However, a supercharger is still a FAR inferior choice for the Renesis. My opinion about the engineering is unchanged.
But just because it is a poor choice or if its performance is comparatively lack luster, that doesn't mean it wont "work" and I certainly want to see EVERYONE succeed.
Remember, I win either way.

so when is stage I and III expected?
I know what I have heard but will try to get a more accurate time line for ya.

Vice, since you were asking people to PM you with questions and observations will you be posting those questions and answers from Cam so that we can see and learn as well?
Yes. No need to PM me just as in the open forum and I will answer when I have it from Cam.

I appreciate the feedback guys, but lets try to keep it positive ok?

If not, ill have to just repost this, sticky it, and lock it so that we can keep the negativity out of this forum.

So, here is a question (several, in fact) - Who actually did the Int-X tuning that is shipping with the kit? Was it, in fact, Steve Kan? And, if so, who else worked on that program besides him?
Was Scott involved at all with that final tune? Is it still shipping with the same tune as the one that went out with Phil's kit?
What is the current (7/20/07) thinking on the MAF mounting? How about the idle-bleed?
What is the thinking on the way the air jet hose and OMP bleed are hooked up?

P.S. - Vice, I got the original version of your message. Since you chose to delete it, I won't comment other than to say that, perhaps, you should pay more attention to what I say rather than how you feel I said it.

P.P.S. - I like that SIG pic, Bindon.
An SC vendor - has a turbo in his SIG. Good stuff.

Better to be incompetent than incontinent!

I hope that the "owners" of this thread don't take my further posts as arrogant, big-headed, god-like or socially inept. (Though, I suppose, someone will take offense to my even suggesting such a thing.)
I don't think I can take any more sleepless nights crying in my pillow.
I just want answers. Hopefully, they are forthcoming, otherwise you are going to have to continue to be Pettit's alpha tester, Ray.

When Jeff comes out and publicly says that he thinks SC are going to always be inferior to Turbos, I think a lot of folks assumed that at that point he would never have anything good to say about them, or want all SC's to fail.

Everyone has an FI they like the best, I don't think that means you want all the other ones to suck. There are a lot of people irrationally defending something for the sole reason that they like it better, a "mine is the best and all others suck" kind of thing. But IMO, I have not seen MM, or Charles or most other FI folks doing this. I think people are being overly defensive by perceiving that people are bashing their FI baby.

Full Disclosure: I have a Greddy turbo, it rules and all others suck.:rolleyes:

preference..

advantages and disadvantages...

to bad that gets lost sometimes..

btw, my avatar is small and does not rotate.. and i think it is male..

beers :beer:

FYI
Scott did the first wave of tunes!! and i believe Phills was in that wave...
I know only because i personally met him at Pettit and watched him tune mine and moons car...he came and spent several days there at Pettit to tune the first batch.

hope this clears up that aspect
:D:

preference..

advantages and disadvantages...

to bad that gets lost sometimes..

btw, my avatar is small and does not rotate.. and i think it is male..

beers :beer:

swoope!!

i love how you talk dirty....especially early in the am! :D:

swoope!!

i love how you talk dirty....especially early in the am! :D:


my avatar is strong like bull though..

wtf, the sun is up. i should have bitten a neck by now..

i fail.. i am a tard turd..

o wait.. i dont have to work till wed..

i need to find some trolls..

btw, i will take some cf photos for you today... yummy.. you win, but the stuff i just got looks very very good. ho.

beers :beer:

So, here is a question (several, in fact) - Who actually did the Int-X tuning that is shipping with the kit? Was it, in fact, Steve Kan? And, if so, who else worked on that program besides him?
Was Scott involved at all with that final tune? Is it still shipping with the same tune as the one that went out with Phil's kit?
What is the current (7/20/07) thinking on the MAF mounting? How about the idle-bleed?
What is the thinking on the way the air jet hose and OMP bleed are hooked up?

P.S. - Vice, I got the original version of your message. Since you chose to delete it, I won't comment other than to say that, perhaps, you should pay more attention to what I say rather than how you feel I said it.

P.P.S. - I like that SIG pic, Bindon.
An SC vendor - has a turbo in his SIG. Good stuff.

OK Jeff,
Now this is something to work with!
In regards to a former post that I chose to delete... It had nothing to do with Feelings. It was all very logical and because it was only up for say 15 minutes or so, I assume one of your lemmings copied it for your delight. Naturally, I could be wrong on how you saw it. Never-the-less, my higher thinking caused me to decide it was not worth, nor very appropriate for this vendor thread. I wish it was not seen by others, but I did my best to remove it after I gave it more thought. I think I was reasonable in both what I said and the fact that I removed it before others could take sides or argue any of the points made. SO we can leave it at that. :)

I guess the idea of having me alpha-test the installation side was that if I could do it, anybody could. One thing I wonder about this thread, the comments and opinions on the kit aside, is what makes Dan think that the rest of us can't just call Pettit ourselves and ask questions of Cam, Kandy, and Moon? I don't know how much time I spent on the phone with each of them both before and during the install process. They were all the nicest people and I wasn't always on the receiving end of advice, either. There were a few things that came up and they'll stay between myself and Cam, other than to say that we had fun poking each other for our respective mistakes. At one point I jokingly acted like I was frustrated and giving up on the install as well as the idea of opening my own shop. Being the supportive man that he is, Cam sternly admonished me for talking nonsense and told me to not be stupid and just open the damn shop. Cam knows how miserable I would be staying on the assembly line at Ford. I probably know more about the politics of what is happening over there than Dan does, anyway. I just keep it all to myself.

When MM says he wants to see the S/C kit be successful I would ask those who doubt his word to ask themselves what other reason would MM have to be so personally involved in all of this. He and I were in his house shortly after the install of Phil's kit discussing our desire to see this thing kick ass. I plan on getting one myself. All of this discussion is simply over what people think constitutes a "street-ready" kit of any kind. You'll all soon get to see what I/we think them to be.

Ray,
You are correct about calling Pettit Directly. I am not waving a "Look at me! I am Important!" flag here. I am doing this to help Cam so his entire day is not spent answering phone calls for the same 20 questions all day long. My knowledge of the politics at Pettit? As well, I know quite a bit of what is going on out at Pettit. Both Production and the Politics that you speak of. Some is very unfortunate for Pettit... Especially at this sensitive time. That does not speak to the willingness Cam has to make is customers completely happy, regardless of any non-related product issues the shop has experienced. I do not live in the area so I am not a shop Monkey that knows every lost bur or bolt, but I spoke with Cam several times about what Pettit is doing. I still speak with Cam and offered to Help with the forums because what I perceived as bashing of the S/C without any constructive rebuttals. Ray... I did not take what you had said as negative comments as I thought you were frustrated with genuine issues and omission in the install PDF. Roger on that... so you get to be the Non-Pettit shop Alfa-installer by pure fate!

Your later remarks about your and Jeff's conversation about Phil's S/C satisfies my lack of understanding of Jeff's voicings. I do wish it all could be presented with a little less of the condescending undertones.
Comments like Bindons Sig. are not required nor important nor relevant to this thread. Bindon is like me, a friend of the shop that really has no gain, but choose to help them with marketing on the forums. Bindon interned at Pettit, and that is his relationship as a Pettit Vendor.

With much Love and Respect,
Dan :beer:

Vice,

I think MM's questions are valid and would like to see the answers. I did speak with Jeff(Pettit) back in May and was on the list for the free install, but backed out once I was infomed about the CEL and TCS disable, and the fact that I didn't want to deal with the warranty implications(no fault of theirs at all, just my worry). Since that time the MAF seems to have come up and possible questions on idle bleed...............so here would be my questions to Cam. For the record, they were very forth-coming in answering any and all questions I had, but not being that experienced..................I didn't know what all to ask.

1.) Update on CEL issue, I heard it would be solved this Summer.
2.) Update and plans on TCS disable.
3.) MAF.......I think this has about been solved for the most part.
4.) Stage III development schedule and how it's looking.


Charles Hill.....................
How you gonna open a shop if you are going to fly all around the country do installs of various tytpes? :uhh:
Anyway, I have the money set aside for this and am waiting for these relatively small issues to get ironed out. I'm seriously thinking of asking if you'd like to fly to Florida and spend a few days helping with my install. Ever seen a Space Shuttle launch? Talk about horsepower! Due to the nature of the business I do, I can get us on the Cape where the general public can't go and fairly close to the pad. I'm also one block from the beach! Seriously think about this and what you would charge. Of course airfare, food, beer(or whatever), place to stay would be all on my dime, but think about what else you'd charge. I will tell you want I want to attempt........and that is I'd like to keep my Revi intake and Ram air and somehow fit this SC in there. I'm gonna somehow make this work. I know there's not any room, but I will find it one way or another. I think if you change the washer fluid bottle, or eliminate it all together you could the fluid bottle for the SC in that area........and maybe both(but smaller for the washer fluid)........ Does anyone really need that much of a washer fluid bottle?

Dan, I have always made the clear distinction between Jeff's tone and my own even though he and I see eye-to-eye on a lot of stuff. I just present myself differently on-line than he does. In real life he is the gentleman and I am the prick. Just kidding.:) As for tones otherwise, and this may be a mistake on my part, it just seems like there are a lot of people trying to gain reputation of their own by either being harshly critical or blindly supportive of certain companies and personalities. Using myself as an example because it is the only polite thing to do; I can handle harsh criticism. Hell, that's why I chose Paradox as my company's name. All my life I have been told whatever it was I was doing couldn't be done. Yet, I did it. I haven't cured cancer but I was told that nitrous would wreck my engine. The thing that makes me cautious is the blind support. To know that there are people out there who would defend me against criticism makes me FEEL good but it is not always proper because sometimes those criticisms are well-founded. The point in my grouping Cam, Jeff, et al, together was because those gatherings have actually taken place and that is where problems are solved. Not here. Jeff and I have worked together to solve certain issues with Phil's car but he and I have never worked on it together. Nor do we really discuss it much. Don't need to because we share a vision as to how Phil's car should look and perform. I worry about Phil's car more than Phil, himself, does and he'll tell ya that. I am pretty picky about who I trust outside of my own presence on projects like this, too. I am rambling here but whatever. At least we're not fighting.
Much respected and your point is very clear to me.
I have nothing to gain and would rather not be the lack-luster guy being Pettit's mouth-piece poster boy.
I do know that there is a whole lot of work going on behind the Magical Curtains of Pettit. And these are not like the Curtains of OZ if you get my point.
I do not have an engineering degree and I am not all that much of a wrench turner either at that. The 8 is my 1st rotary so I make no claims to be a guru or even that much more than an apprentice to it. In alot of ways my ignorance is what saves me from talking about stuff that I really do not know much about. I hate to be wrong but will man up and admit or apologize if I am. Military Brat, I was. Taught to Own my Shit, and I do.
Now I am Rambling!
I do not want to make enemies out of this and I do Respect YOU and JEFF and your observations. Civil debate just works better! I do own a bar and I do Drink! Like yesterday I posted under the influence, re-read and decided it was a bit useless to step into that litter-box!
Thanks for helping to tone this down!

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love.



beers :beer:

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Soooo Dan........When's the next meet?
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Soooo Dan........When's the next meet?
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today, 6pm

This is a fking train wreck, I was looking to find out more about this kit and found post after post of crap instead.

When MM says he wants to see the S/C kit be successful I would ask those who doubt his word to ask themselves what other reason would MM have to be so personally involved in all of this.

EGO ?

haha, although I helped design the SC, and am a vendor for it, I still prefer turbos.

But hey, thats just my deal, SC's are nice, but im designing my own turbo kit...just preference I suppose :)

This is a fking train wreck, I was looking to find out more about this kit and found post after post of crap instead.

I would characterise it more like children playing in a sandbox.

So add to the copious supply of crap? :uhh:

Out of lurking, into the field of fire.

I gotta tell ya, this has got to be the most inane threads I've ever read in a forum such as this. I've been watching the Pettit SC development eagerly; I say bring it on, lets make this thing work. Maybe someone can enlighten me about Mazda Maniac's raison d'etre, because short of professing his love of young lesbianism (I, myself, am just a lesbian trapped in a man's body), pretty much all I see is a skill for pissing on a parade. If I'm wrong, somebody set me straight so I don't labor under that misconception for too long.

At any rate, I'm hungry for some real info on this system, and as soon as Pettit has a flash fix for the ECU, I'm in. Shinka, I love your car; do me a favor and shoot some video of a high speed drive-by so we can all hear those screws whine...

Well I have a question which I'm sure Phil would like answered. Has Pettit been able to with Int-X eliminate the Auto's 124mph speed limiter? I remember a few months back hearing how Moon was looking into it but with all the bitching and other tech spec's being tossed around I dont remember seeing any updates about this.

Vice,

1.) Update on CEL issue, I heard it would be solved this Summer.
2.) Update and plans on TCS disable.
3.) MAF.......I think this has about been solved for the most part.
4.) Stage III development schedule and how it's looking.



Hey Maz
I know im not Cam or Ray but i might have a couple of answers for you...just really due to logistics etc and being the first commercial install..

1. CEL - is caused by the X...that would be a scott question....and i believe he has already been working on that...not sure when that will be corrected....but the reflash which a couple of people are working on will correct the issue...no need for the x at that point.

2. the TCS disable is a result of the MAF sensor

3. I spoke to Cam just yesterday regarding another matter and he informed me that all kits coming out now will have the MAF sensor plugged in...

when the MAF sensor is not hooked up, the TCS is disabled...
originally when i got my car back the TCS was disabled...now that the MAF is hooked up I am back online...

dont know a thing about the Stage III....but the 8PSI pulley should be available soon....i hope!!...

fangurl

Maybe I'm not experienced enough with this all this internetspeak to understand what a fanboy is, but if calling people on their crap makes me a "fanboy" then sign me up. I am a NY Ranger fan, that's about it. As far as the Pettit kit is concerned, I'm just the bloody consumer. I bought the kit, I'm pretty happy with it, but that's me. If people want to question things about it, that's totally healthy, and I appreciate it. There are some questions that need to be asked, and all of us consumers benefit from these questions. There's no need to be rude.

Agree - there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism .
What I see is a product with several happy customers even though it may not be quite perfect yet .

Well I have a question which I'm sure Phil would like answered. Has Pettit been able to with Int-X eliminate the Auto's 124mph speed limiter? I remember a few months back hearing how Moon was looking into it but with all the bitching and other tech spec's being tossed around I dont remember seeing any updates about this.

I never had that 124 mph speed limiter - I've heard about it but never found it in my 8.

Agree - there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism .
What I see is a product with several happy customers even though it may not be quite perfect yet .

There have been and still are problems with the kit, but you will not find a bad word from me about the kit. I realized that when I ordered it that it was the first shipped (so I was told) and that there could be problems. Problems aside I am really enjoying the end result. Ray is the best, when others would have just walked he stuck thru it and made it run. Ray and Jeff are perfectionists and Jeff feels that every mod should just improve stock. He's not a fan of super chargers but not against them ether or why would he be working on mine? Jeff continues to be concerned about the tune and hose hook-ups. Ray PMs every couple of days to check on it's operation. Moon was helpful during the install as well in fact everyone associated with Pettit, Mazport and Paradox have been supportive and EXTREMELY helpful. Jeff has a few more refinements on pesky little things that will not go away, Ray is installing a new Radiator (of his design) and 7stock here we come.

i really don't understand why MM is getting a bad rap here. He's asked questions, that's it.

Maybe he's like me in thinking that, at least for the end user, this kit should have no bugs at all, ya know, like it came from the factory with the sc. I know I wouldn't want to go on their advertising, get my hopes all built up in anticipation of a perfectly RELIABLE and FINELY TUNED SC with perfect pre-set maps, go excitedly order the kit, and take it to be installed only to be devastated by irresolvable cel's and confusing amounts of parts or counterintuitive assembly instructions.

That "what the hell did i just do to my car" feeling isn't one that goes down any easier for costing 7k.

of course, props to pettit for even getting one out the door. maybe it should be dubbed a beta release. now we report back. and they release a finished product later.

A fellow forum member finished their install of the SC very early this morning. Hopefully he'll post some pictures of his install sometime this week. I was lucky enough to hear him rev it over the phone, and with his exhaust/mid-pipe setup it sounded pretty damned impressive.

Well I will be heading to the Pettit Shop tomorrow morning at 6:30am I live two hours away. I was on US27 a very lonely,long and straight highway I got up to 152mph. I cam up to some traffic so I slowed down. Something did not smell right when I got home. I checked my fluids they were all fine except the S/C. There was no oil. I had just checked the oil the morining before and it was fine. I let the car cool when I added oil it leaks. So I am driving it up to the shop tomorrow. Stopping every 30min. to check and add oil to the S/C. Hopefully it is not anything major. Prior to this 140mph was the topspeed and no problems. Well wish me luck.

Well I will be heading to the Pettit Shop tomorrow morning at 6:30am I live two hours away. I was on US27 a very lonely,long and straight highway I got up to 152mph. I cam up to some traffic so I slowed down. Something did not smell right when I got home. I checked my fluids they were all fine except the S/C. There was no oil. I had just checked the oil the morining before and it was fine. I let the car cool when I added oil it leaks. So I am driving it up to the shop tomorrow. Stopping every 30min. to check and add oil to the S/C. Hopefully it is not anything major. Prior to this 140mph was the topspeed and no problems. Well wish me luck.

Damn man, you're either a much more brave or crazier man than I. That road's not lonely enough for me... with my luck I'd have an encounter with a deer or a gator. Hope the SC's ok. Keep us informed.

Thank you for the good wishes.
In regards to the gators and deers it was so hot out they were in the shade.

Well one quick update. I forgot about my AAA so even better I am having it towed. I just placed the request now just waiting. This really sucks.

Well one quick update. I forgot about my AAA so even better I am having it towed. I just placed the request now just waiting. This really sucks.

so, how do you like it?? :D:


tell me it rocks!!!

i really don't understand why MM is getting a bad rap here. He's asked questions, that's it.

Maybe he's like me in thinking that, at least for the end user, this kit should have no bugs at all, ya know, like it came from the factory with the sc. I know I wouldn't want to go on their advertising, get my hopes all built up in anticipation of a perfectly RELIABLE and FINELY TUNED SC with perfect pre-set maps, go excitedly order the kit, and take it to be installed only to be devastated by irresolvable cel's and confusing amounts of parts or counterintuitive assembly instructions.

That "what the hell did i just do to my car" feeling isn't one that goes down any easier for costing 7k.

of course, props to pettit for even getting one out the door. maybe it should be dubbed a beta release. now we report back. and they release a finished product later.


if you read all of his posts....he hasnt just asked questions...hes actually blasted pettit and people...especially in the other thread that was closed..thats not appropriate behavior...constructive criticism is one thing...he went way beyond..
just my 2cents..

Well one quick update. I forgot about my AAA so even better I am having it towed. I just placed the request now just waiting. This really sucks.

So 152 is your new top speed? How long were you up there?

I'm sure you know this; if an FHP had caught you, you would probably have gone directly to jail - do not pass go - do not collect $200. Be careful man, we wouldn't want that SC to go to waste, assuming it's not already wasted.

Well I'm at the shop right now. It was minor. I built up so much pressure during that run that it caused one of the plugs to back out. He will be installing a breather valve so it never happens again.

I will be leaving it though my Ntercooler won't be in until tomorrow. Instead of making the long trip again I will leave it here and pick it up on Friday.

if you read all of his posts....he hasnt just asked questions...hes actually blasted pettit and people...especially in the other thread that was closed..thats not appropriate behavior...constructive criticism is one thing...he went way beyond..
just my 2cents..

if you ask me, most of the people who are mad at MM are just butt hurt because their SC baby, the one they were so excited about, is sub optimal, and no one likes to have their poor decisions discussed in the public eye.

To be fair, MM clearly just wants to prevent others from going through the same thing. HE wants the kit right for people who want it. But why should he praise a kit that's got issues? Furthermore, why should he bite his tongue?

if you ask me, most of the people who are mad at MM are just butt hurt because their SC baby, the one they were so excited about, is sub optimal, and no one likes to have their poor decisions discussed in the public eye.

To be fair, MM clearly just wants to prevent others from going through the same thing. HE wants the kit right for people who want it. But why should he praise a kit that's got issues? Furthermore, why should he bite his tongue?

It only seems one sided to them because they have picked a side to be on.

I own the greddy turbo kit and I'll be the first to say it has short comings. I don't take it personally, I know what it is, and what it can do.

I've seen people attack MM from time to time, ragging on him because he owns a GReddy kit. Ironic since he doesn't. He has however, worked on the greddy kit, and helped come up with fixes that has made it usable for the rest of us. He's doing the same now with the Pettit SC kit, but the fan boys are trying to push him away.



Personally, I don't care if you guys shoot yourselves in the foot, but there's something within all of us that make us want to watch the train wreck.

subscribing in hopes this thread stays civil and we can get some useful information out of it...

if you ask me, most of the people who are mad at MM are just butt hurt because their SC baby, the one they were so excited about, is sub optimal, and no one likes to have their poor decisions discussed in the public eye.

To be fair, MM clearly just wants to prevent others from going through the same thing. HE wants the kit right for people who want it. But why should he praise a kit that's got issues? Furthermore, why should he bite his tongue?

MM does have a heap to offer us all & is an asset to the forum - he has posed some good questions that should be answered . However - that could be done without putting down Pettit & the people who have the SC .

Well I'm at the shop right now. It was minor. I built up so much pressure during that run that it caused one of the plugs to back out. He will be installing a breather valve so it never happens again.

I will be leaving it though my Ntercooler won't be in until tomorrow. Instead of making the long trip again I will leave it here and pick it up on Friday.

Let me know how it turns out for you - I made a couple of high speed runs and it has not happened to me but better to be prepared.

MM does have a heap to offer us all & is an asset to the forum - he has posed some good questions that should be answered . However - that could be done without putting down Pettit & the people who have the SC .

Agreed. ^

I speak for myself when I say this (but I'm sure the other customers agree); it doesn't bother me personally if someone points out a flaw in a product I purchased. People do it all the time when they talk about my car. I don't care! It's just a product that I have purchased with full awareness that there would be some issues involved. I was a member on this forum for over a year before I bought my car.

The fanboy statements are completely baseless and laughable (no proof, no merit). No one feels upset that the mighty MM thinks ill or has pointed out flaws in the product. Not a single comment was ever in response to his questions, or in being defensive about the product, but rather they were in response to his attitude. What started all of this drama was not MM's questioning of the product, it was his attitude and lack of tact. He made it personal.

Plain and simple, he was the first one to get personal. If you can ask questions and make observations without getting personal, then people will thank you, sincerely. Otherwise... well... I don't want to get personal. :)

So now that all the drama is over let's move on to more interesting things. Like how someone has figured out how to get cold air into this S/C with a ram-air setup (can't wait to see the pics).

Let me know how it turns out for you - I made a couple of high speed runs and it has not happened to me but better to be prepared.

As soon as I get it I will test and let you know the out come.Call Cam the fix will be simple. I do recommend you get it done. It takes a whole 15 seconds to do. I don't want to get into details as I do not want my words quoted.

As soon as I get it I will test and let you know the out come.Call Cam the fix will be simple. I do recommend you get it done. It takes a whole 15 seconds to do. I don't want to get into details as I do not want my words quoted.

Quoted....who..........us? :lol2:
Jeez, how far did the plug back itself out? You think it was loose to begin with?

Please, everyone! Lets let the finger pointing end now at this Post. Let us not drag up any past comments of negativity towards members. Jeff (MazdaManiac) has his right to his voicings and opinions! He has openly stated he was done with this issue and though honorable, I truly believe it to be a loss in the more productive issues of this subject/discussion. Let us not continue to actively call bullshit on a member. Let us constructively discuss this S/C.
Wanna call me a FanBoy! Fine! I hate Dallas CowGirl "FANS" cause they're Fake as hell. <---- You see the point? Most everyone is a Fan of something... and others dislike it. Not at all relevant though. Why get your panties scrunched because you were called a fan of something? LOL.

Why get your panties scrunched because you were called a fan of something? LOL.

[Useless Post]That's why I wear thongs. They're always all up in your business, so you operate normally regardless of your level of irritation with other people.[/Useless Post]

Agreed. ^

I speak for myself when I say this (but I'm sure the other customers agree); it doesn't bother me personally if someone points out a flaw in a product I purchased. People do it all the time when they talk about my car. I don't care! It's just a product that I have purchased with full awareness that there would be some issues involved. I was a member on this forum for over a year before I bought my car.

The fanboy statements are completely baseless and laughable (no proof, no merit). No one feels upset that the mighty MM thinks ill or has pointed out flaws in the product. Not a single comment was ever in response to his questions, or in being defensive about the product, but rather they were in response to his attitude. What started all of this drama was not MM's questioning of the product, it was his attitude and lack of tact. He made it personal.

Plain and simple, he was the first one to get personal. If you can ask questions and make observations without getting personal, then people will thank you, sincerely. Otherwise... well... I don't want to get personal. :)

So now that all the drama is over let's move on to more interesting things. Like how someone has figured out how to get cold air into this S/C with a ram-air setup (can't wait to see the pics).

Hey Bastage...
ive been talkin to a co 8 owner about the AEM CAI and how it might possibly work better than the Typhoon...
I know Moon has some other types of ideas on some cryogenic stuff...

I might give Cam and/or Moon a call for further discussion...
:D:

Please, everyone! Lets let the finger pointing end now at this Post. Let us not drag up any past comments of negativity towards members. Jeff (MazdaManiac) has his right to his voicings and opinions! He has openly stated he was done with this issue and though honorable, I truly believe it to be a loss in the more productive issues of this subject/discussion. Let us not continue to actively call bullshit on a member. Let us constructively discuss this S/C.
Wanna call me a FanBoy! Fine! I hate Dallas CowGirl "FANS" cause they're Fake as hell. <---- You see the point? Most everyone is a Fan of something... and others dislike it. Not at all relevant though. Why get your panties scrunched because you were called a fan of something? LOL.

Totally agree with you, but my panties weren't scrunched. They were steamed, pressed, and worn on my head.

Btw, the more I see that picture in your sig, the more I'm becoming a fanboy of your car.

Totally agree with you, but my panties weren't scrunched. They were steamed, pressed, and worn on my head.

Btw, the more I see that picture in your sig, the more I'm becoming a fanboy of your car.
LOL... I did not mean to insinuate or insult anyone with that comment! It was just a metaphor for all of us to just not respond or to refrain from entertaining the negatives...

I compiled near 20 questions for Cam. I will relay them back when they come in.

I am lucky enough to live locally to pettit racing and went down there today. From my perspective... They have a very professional shop and some incredible RX-7's and RX-8's there. Cam and his son were very helpful in answering my questions and both dropped everything to talk to me, even though they were obvioulsy busy. I really got a good feeling from them and got the feeling that they would be very helpful with the install. They really seem to know their stuff.

Cam took me for a ride in one of his RX-8's with the SC on it. I was very impressed. It wasn't crazy power, but it was enough to put a smile on my face. I've always felt that the only thing the 8 is lacking is enough power. The SC makes the package complete. It also looks so nice and neat under the hood that it's hard to believe it's not factory installed. I can't wait to get one! I just hope they get the firmware to handle the fuel mgt so I don't have to spend the extra money on the extra fuel management system.

Just to throw in my 2 cents worth... I'm partial to SC's due to the lack of inherent lag with turbos kicking in. I haven't driven an 8 with a turbo, so I can't say first hand if it even has a lag... I'm just going off other turbos I've driven.

Good work guys!

I compiled near 20 questions for Cam. I will relay them back when they come in.

That's all most people want. :)
Now I don't know how you will be able to tell us what the answers are since the site is AFU'd for at least two days now! :banghead:
PM's don't work at all, but notifications do! Threads get updated with new response(like this one), but don't show up as being added to and no "new" post are showing up. Looks like we should all pick some useless thread and all write in that one thread to communicate! Those of us in need of a fix at least! :rolleyes:

I was at Pettit yesterday did some tunning after I got my engine oil and S/C oil changed. The new maps are great car is running smoother and harder. It was street tuned so no I do not have Dyno numbers.

Just got done installing a Pettit Racing Stage II Super Charger on my RX8.

Did all the work myself and was able to keep my Racing Beat Ram Air Intake. According to Cam the owner of Pettit Racing, the Stage II Super Charger is capable of produce 265hp @ 8500 rpm to the rear wheels. I rode on Cam's RX8 and saw the dyno chart myself. The 265hp came out of his RX8 with a gutted factory catalytic converter and stock exhaust. My RX8 has no catalytic converter and I do have a Racing Beat Exhaust. Also, I was able to modify a Ford Contour air filter intake, therefore in conjunction with the Racing Beat Ram Air intake, I'm able to get fresh air instead of hot engine bay air. (see enclosed pictures). I was also able to keep my Racing Beat ECU Race Flash which is running piggy back with an Interceptor X engine management system. I think that I should be close to 275hp but I'll get some dyno runs before the end of the year or after I upgrade to a Stage III system which is still under development. Car is running great and very happy with the product.:)

Done so far

-Magnecor 8.5mm Wires
-Racing Beat Exhaust System
-Racing Beat Stainless Steel Brake Line Kit
-Racing Beat Stainless Steel Clutch Line
-Racing Beat Catalytic Converter Replacement Pipe
-Racing Beat REVi Ram Air Duct
-Racing Beat Complete Set Coil Springs
-Racing Beat Aluminum Flywheel
-Exedy Stage 1 clutch
-Racing Beat AC & Oil Cooler Screens Package Set
-Change tire size to 255/40-18 (same OEM diameter but a bit wider)
-Racing Beat Front Sway Bar
-Racing Beat Rear Say Bar
-Racing Beat Power Control Module (PCM) Race Flash Service
-Racing Beat Front Sway Bar End Links
-Pettit Racing Stage II Super Charger

By end of Summer

-Agency Power Rear Sway Bar End Links
-Axial Flow Short Shifter

By Fall

-Racing Beat Type II Nose Kit

Stay tune...Zoom-Zoom

good job..

would like to look at you job on the intake sometime.. pm me.


beers :beer:

Nice setup - You will enjoy it

Just got done installing a Pettit Racing Stage II Super Charger on my RX8.

Did all the work myself and was able to keep my Racing Beat Ram Air Intake. According to Cam the owner of Pettit Racing, the Stage II Super Charger is capable of produce 265hp @ 8500 rpm to the rear wheels. I rode on Cam's RX8 and saw the dyno chart myself. The 265hp came out of his RX8 with a gutted factory catalytic converter and stock exhaust. My RX8 has no catalytic converter and I do have a Racing Beat Exhaust. Also, I was able to modify a Ford Contour air filter intake, therefore in conjunction with the Racing Beat Ram Air intake, I'm able to get fresh air instead of hot engine bay air. (see enclosed pictures). I was also able to keep my Racing Beat ECU Race Flash which is running piggy back with an Interceptor X engine management system. I think that I should be close to 275hp but I'll get some dyno runs before the end of the year or after I upgrade to a Stage III system which is still under development. Car is running great and very happy with the product.:)

Done so far

-Magnecor 8.5mm Wires
-Racing Beat Exhaust System
-Racing Beat Stainless Steel Brake Line Kit
-Racing Beat Stainless Steel Clutch Line
-Racing Beat Catalytic Converter Replacement Pipe
-Racing Beat REVi Ram Air Duct
-Racing Beat Complete Set Coil Springs
-Racing Beat Aluminum Flywheel
-Exedy Stage 1 clutch
-Racing Beat AC & Oil Cooler Screens Package Set
-Change tire size to 255/40-18 (same OEM diameter but a bit wider)
-Racing Beat Front Sway Bar
-Racing Beat Rear Say Bar
-Racing Beat Power Control Module (PCM) Race Flash Service
-Racing Beat Front Sway Bar End Links
-Pettit Racing Stage II Super Charger

By end of Summer

-Agency Power Rear Sway Bar End Links
-Axial Flow Short Shifter

By Fall

-Racing Beat Type II Nose Kit

Stay tune...Zoom-Zoom

So you modified the Contour filter? I don't see the filter in the pictures... can you point out where it's located?

-Racing Beat Exhaust System
-Racing Beat Stainless Steel Brake Line Kit
-Racing Beat Stainless Steel Clutch Line
-Racing Beat Catalytic Converter Replacement Pipe
-Racing Beat REVi Ram Air Duct
-Racing Beat Complete Set Coil Springs
-Racing Beat Aluminum Flywheel
-Racing Beat AC & Oil Cooler Screens Package Set
-Racing Beat Front Sway Bar
-Racing Beat Rear Say Bar
-Racing Beat Power Control Module (PCM) Race Flash Service
-Racing Beat Front Sway Bar End Links


So - bit of a Racing Beat fan then ?
Like what you did with the filter . i'm thinking of doing something similar with the filter Petit supplies in stainless .

I received a couple of questions regarding my intake modification.

Basically I took an old Ford Contour Air Filter Intake holder that I kept from my 98 Contour SVT (all Contour V-6 are the same) and made some modifications to it. I cut pieces of the air canister base and front of the air filter holder (sorry but I did not take pictures after the modification). The picture you see below of the Contour air filter holder is before the modifications. The picture you see below of the front view of the air filter intake is when I was making sure that everything fit right (not much room to play with). The pieces of white foam you see surrounding the opening are gone (were used for markup) and so the Fram air filter. I replaced the Fram air filter with a K&N air filter. There are many ways you can fabricate your own fresh air intake since is up the builders imagination and skills. I do not own an auto repair shop or a machine shop; therefore I did the best I could with what I got out of my car garage. Just like I did with my 1972 13B Bridge Port R100 after I purchased the car from a junkyard and on the road 14 months later. :)

Hope this help others, marsredr100.

As promised here are some answers to questions that have been posed. I did my best to consolidate and have Cam answer what he felt was appropriate. I also had merge the answer with the question and some answers actually answer more than one question at the same time.If I have misrepresented any question or answer... Please let me know and I will re-ask it more appropriately.
Once again... these are direct answers for CAM, the owner of Pettit.

QUESTIONS:

1.) D.I.Y: A comment was made that the instructions we sometimes vague and hard to make sense of.
The Instructions we released were to industry professionals and it was understood by them that they were unfinished; we are using their feedback to complete them. We will also be providing a DVD as well; our focus now is to continue testing and development until we are completely satisfied with the Stage II’s overall performance


2.) Also A comment was made about having to self Fabricate parts. I think this will be addressed below. MAF etc… / MAF.......I think this has about been solved for the most part?
As for MAF housing it is assumed that the stock tube diameter is the correct size to work with the stock reflashed ECU, however, if we produce these parts before we test and prove this is correct, they will surely be wrong (Murphy’s Law) when the reflash is finally finished, tested and made available we will then produce MAF housing and provide them retroactively.


3.) What is the current (7/20/07) thinking on the MAF mounting? How about the idle-bleed?
RX8’s oil metering nozzle is basically the same design that has been used since 1986 on all fuel injected 13b engines. The oil metering nozzle check valve allows atmospheric air to bleed in and through the oil injection banjo fittings any time manifold pressure is less than atmospheric. On N/A engines pressure equalizes at wide-open throttle and there is no bleed. On turbo engines when boost is applied the nozzle check valve holds back manifold pressure to prevent metered oil from back flowing up into the rubber hoses and completely starving the engine for metered oil. On turbo engines like so many of the RX7 FD’s, when the nozzle check valves fail, metered oil backflows up into the rubber hose and stops the flow of metered oil, (not good) then the rubber hoses swell and seep oil which makes a mess and can even be a fire hazard if it leaks on a hot manifold.


4.) How do you intend to get CARB certification with the CEL issue? CEL, TCS/DSC (and not blinking, like a loss of traction), etc. / Update on CEL issue, I heard it would be solved this Summer?
We will eventually be applying for CARB exemption, but this will be after the powers to be are able to reflash the stock ECU, shut off the dash warning lamps and fully maintain emission standards.


5.) What is the thinking on the way the air jet hose and OMP bleed are hooked up?
Our connection of the jet air hose to the metering nozzles allows manifold pressure to be applied to the atmospheric side of the nozzle valve, this equalizes pressure on both sides of the valve and reduces the chance for a valve failure. In the event a valve does fail, metered oil can’t backflow so there is no interruption of metered oil the engine. It is however, clearly evidenced by the excessive wear found on a large percentage of over a thousand engines that we have dissembled, and inspected that the oil metering oil system is inadequate and fails to properly lubricate and protect the rotary’s internal compression seals. If you expect good longevity and top performance from your rotary engine, it is clearly evident that extra lubricant must be added to the fuel and this is why; the oil metering system is responsible for lubricating the delicate apex seals, compression seals and housing surfaces that are common to every rotary engine. Oil is fed from the engine oiling system (oil-pan) to a variable ratio-metering pump, then it’s injected into the engine where it partially blends with the onrushing air-fuel charge, this incomplete blending and fuel-to-oil ratios of 400:1*and higher, are cause for alarm, but now add in unleaded fuels that are designed to clean piston engines, these fuels and the rotary’s high combustion temperature quickly clean away this small amount of oil leaving little or no lubrication. This causes increased friction and wear, resulting in decreased performance and longevity. With over 25 years experience and more than 1000 rotary engines built, we know excessive wear on apex and compression seals as well as critical housing surfaces is caused from inadequate lubrication and using today’s fuels. What’s all this mean? With out proper lubrication, friction, heat and today’s fuels will likely cause premature failure of some expensive engine parts, great for Mazda’s profits but not good for you and me.


6.) Update and plans on TCS disable? / EMU Flash? When will it be achieved so that the Int-X is not required?
Another point of interest is that if RX8 owners ever want to have and use traction control with FI there are a few issues to address, since the TC is programmed for std rx-8 acceleration we find ourselves constantly exceeding its limits which causes repeated throttle cuts usually when you least expect it. I have personally found this dangerous, especially when it’s necessary to merge into traffic quickly. With this system working you have to disable it by pushing the DSC button on every startup and since I can’t remember to do that every time, we are hoping to accomplish one of the following:

1. Once reflash is available we will try to desensitize the system a little so it can work normally or
2. Program the system to be in a normally off mode, then if it rains you would hit button to activate.

-We are open for suggestions, also with the MAF unplugged the system is dormant and you can’t forget to turn it off.


7.) Protek-R; Why is it better than Idemitsu premix? Yeah, a basic explanation of how the final formula was reached would be sufficient and a straight answer as to how it is better than conventional (Idemitsu) pre-mix would be sufficient.
-In just one 24 hour race a Pettit Race Engine will get a lifetime of use and punishment, but since we mix Protek-R in the fuel they have little wear when compared to the average street engines we regularly disassemble. This is especially evident on turbocharged and high RPM rotary’s like the Renesis.
-Pettit Built engines are the only turbocharged rotary engines in racing history to finish the grueling Rolex24 at Daytona, could Protek be a factor? We think so!
-Here at Pettit Racing we know how fun and important it is to have a good running rotary engine and keep it running for many miles and years, that is why Protek-R was developed in the first place, to help keep your engine fresh.
-For RX8 owners, some Renesis engines have weak or low compression**, Mazda says “heat generated friction” is the cause, but since factory recalibration for the RX-8 ECU increases injected oil for the high revving Renesis; could they just need some Protek-R to help cut friction and reduce wear? We think so and that’s what Protek-R does best.
-By reducing friction and wear Protek-R can extend rotary engine life by 30% or more, depending on your driving habits and consistency of use.
-Protek-R blends completely with your fuel lubricating all these critical surfaces, this provides reduced friction and wear, adding longevity and keeping the power. Just what the rotary needs to last strong!!
-By adding just 4 oz of Protek-R fuel lubricant with an average fill up of 10-12 gallons of fuel, the fuel-to-oil ratio is improved by 100%, or 200:1 and better, Cut Friction Gain Power, use Protek-R.
Updated Answer:
I cant find where It is written that Protek clams to be better than any specific brand, Before we developed Protek we used Belray or Blenzol superior quality synthetic 2 cycle oils to premix, and have always recommend adding some type of lube to the fuel. I have even told many of my customers who ran out of Protek to buy tc3 outboard oil which is available at most gas stations rather than not add any lube at all. It kills me to do that because I get Protek for free, however; there are times when I forget to bring it. Its important to remember when using mineral based oil, it takes 30-50% more premix to achieve the same protection level as synthetic based oils.

The position of the replacement parts industry is directly related to profits from selling these parts, since it is a known fact that adding fuel lube can double engine life, it is common sense that they don't want people using it. Its amazing to me that so many people believe the industry statement against premix, " premixing oil in fuel can cause premature spark plug failure" and completely miss the fact that spark plugs are much cheaper than engines. I personally prefer changing plugs instead of engines.

Another point is the claim that Protek can add 30% to the life of your engine, this is a conservative estimate since it seems to make our race engines last forever, believe me I am still using parts that are over 20 years old and still running stronger than ever.

All Pettit Built Racing Engines as well as nearly all the professional race teams world wide rely solely on premix to keep their engines running strong, none of these engines have metering oil systems!

Another important point to note, there are some instances reported of premix gumming the fuel system, this is most often caused when bean based oil and mineral or some synthetic oils are mixed, the reaction produces a gooey gummy material that clogs screens and makes a general mess and can shut down the fuel system. The easiest fix for this is never use bean oil!!. At Pettit we developed and have used Protek-R for 20 years and have never seen any fuel pump or injector issues, we have seen improved life expectancy from fuel pumps and injectors as they need lubricant as well, again this is common sense, lubricants reduce the friction that cause wear. In just one 24 hour race a Pettit Race Engine will get a lifetime of use and punishment, but since we mix Protek-R in the fuel they have little wear when compared to the average street engines we regularly disassemble. This is especially evident on turbocharged and high RPM rotary’s like the Renesis.

Again if we expect our rotary engines to have top performance and longevity it is clearly evident that lube must be added to the fuel.


8.) Extreme pressure build up from High Speed runs… Will a breather valve become part of the kit?
All Pettit Kits will have every part necessary for a professional install.



9.) What has Pettit been able to with Int-X’s, Auto's 124mph speed limiter? Is this still an Issue?
So far only the auto is having this problem.


10.) When will the s/c be available for us in Australia?
We are taking orders from customers worldwide, to reserve our Stage II Kit we are accepting a $500 deposit from serious customers and expect to ship the second production run in August 07 #3. The 3rd production run will not ship until Late 07. We can accept Paypal, or CC, send to Lab@pettitracing.com


11.) When is stage I and III expected? III development schedule and how it's looking?
We will not be testing Stage I or III until the powers to be are able to reflash the stock ECU, shut off the dash warning lamps and fully maintain emission standards.


12.) Who actually did the Int-X tuning that is shipping with the kit? Was it, in fact, Steve Kan? And, if so, who else worked on that program besides him? Was Scott involved at all with that final tune? Is it still shipping with the same tune as the one that went out with Phil's kit?
With over 25 years of experience working with rotarys fuel and ignition systems it is clearly evident that tuner cars have the most variables over their operating range. Just the different exhaust systems available and their variances in back pressure and flo rates makes it nearly impossible to supply a perfect tune for every system, not to mention variances in fuel pressure, injector flo rates and individual engine condition, (compression #'s). To sum it up the base maps we are providing are base maps and for most cars so far they are working better than we expected, we will continue to improve them and and keep updating users, however; our goal here is to have the stock ecu working alone learning individual driving patterns and do the fine tuning for us just like it was intended from Mazda via short and long term fuel trims.

As for who tuned what, so far several names have been mentioned and we are extremely thankful for all the help and input we received from these professionals, they know who they are. Even with all the help we have received, so far all tuning improvements were made to existing maps , there just hasn't been the necessary time available to properly develop a map from scratch that is suitable for every vehicle, nevertheless we will continue to improve all aspects of the system.

Many great people have helped us with this project and we are thankful for their help and better for their friendship. Thanks Again.

Pettit totally dodges the question of why the air bleed is hooked up to the OMP nozzles. Do they realize that there is no forward flowing air to the JAB nozzles because of this arrangement? (Utilizing the pressure to normalize the bleed to the OMP nozzles is not optimal, either.)
They also did not address what "Protek" is and why it is better than Idemitsu. They just gave their sales pitch.

If the instructions were meant for "professionals", why are they shipping these instructions to amateurs/end-users?

#6 is complete bull. The TC doesn't care how fast you are accelerating! Are any of the turbo users (who have considerably more power at their disposal) have similar problems? Of course not. The TCS/DSC is acting up because the MAF isn't properly installed. That sort of ignorance is not acceptable from a company like Pettit.

No answer for "#13", eh?

Out of lurking, into the field of fire.

I gotta tell ya, this has got to be the most inane threads I've ever read in a forum such as this. I've been watching the Pettit SC development eagerly; I say bring it on, lets make this thing work. Maybe someone can enlighten me about Mazda Maniac's raison d'etre, because short of professing his love of young lesbianism (I, myself, am just a lesbian trapped in a man's body), pretty much all I see is a skill for pissing on a parade. If I'm wrong, somebody set me straight so I don't labor under that misconception for too long.

At any rate, I'm hungry for some real info on this system, and as soon as Pettit has a flash fix for the ECU, I'm in. Shinka, I love your car; do me a favor and shoot some video of a high speed drive-by so we can all hear those screws whine...

^+1.................just waiting for some of the SMALL issues to be worked out and I'm back in............in a heartbeat. :)

Although I'm a woman and not so technically savvy as others on this board...
i like to keep it simple....

my TCS was disabled after the install but after I reinstalled the MAF I am back on-line...no problems..

:D:

Although I'm a woman and not so technically savvy as others on this board...
i like to keep it simple....

my TCS was disabled after the install but after I reinstalled the MAF I am back on-line...no problems..

:D:

Yep.......that one is pretty much solved. :)

the original installs where tuned by Scott..

if Steve Kan = Cobb tuning??? he was not there for the first original batch of tunes...

I understand he tuned Moons (AT) car but not until the last weekend in June...so maps that would be available came from that tune...
I can check on that and get specifics...
give me a day or two..

:D:

my TCS was disabled after the install but after I reinstalled the MAF I am back on-line...no problems..
:D:

Sounds right, seems weird that Cam had a different take on it. Any differential / driveshaft or axle issues with TCS that we don't know about? I cannot personally think of anything besides the MAF that the TCS needs, or any negative to leaving it on (beside throttle modulation).

Pettit totally dodges the question of why the air bleed is hooked up to the OMP nozzles. Do they realize that there is no forward flowing air to the JAB nozzles because of this arrangement? (Utilizing the pressure to normalize the bleed to the OMP nozzles is not optimal, either.)
They also did not address what "Protek" is and why it is better than Idemitsu. They just gave their sales pitch.

If the instructions were meant for "professionals", why are they shipping these instructions to amateurs/end-users?

#6 is complete bull. The TC doesn't care how fast you are accelerating! Are any of the turbo users (who have considerably more power at their disposal) have similar problems? Of course not. The TCS/DSC is acting up because the MAF isn't properly installed. That sort of ignorance is not acceptable from a company like Pettit.

No answer for "#13", eh?


You are right MM and in so many ways.
Nothing like genius men and their fast cars.

Your #1 Fan :)

OMFG!!!! :lol:

Needed a good laugh today.

You are right MM and in so many ways.
Nothing like genius men and their fast cars.

Your #1 Fan :)

Oh no!
Psycho, stalker, troll.........................be on your guard MM. :Eyecrazy:
:lol2:

#6 I thought with tuning, the cutoff could be diabled?

You are right MM and in so many ways.
Nothing like genius men and their fast cars.

Your #1 Fan

What the heck?! LOL

I received a couple of questions regarding my intake modification.

Basically I took an old Ford Contour Air Filter Intake holder that I kept from my 98 Contour SVT (all Contour V-6 are the same) and made some modifications to it. I cut pieces of the air canister base and front of the air filter holder (sorry but I did not take pictures after the modification). The picture you see below of the Contour air filter holder is before the modifications. The picture you see below of the front view of the air filter intake is when I was making sure that everything fit right (not much room to play with). The pieces of white foam you see surrounding the opening are gone (were used for markup) and so the Fram air filter. I replaced the Fram air filter with a K&N air filter. There are many ways you can fabricate your own fresh air intake since is up the builders imagination and skills. I do not own an auto repair shop or a machine shop; therefore I did the best I could with what I got out of my car garage. Just like I did with my 1972 13B Bridge Port R100 after I purchased the car from a junkyard and on the road 14 months later. :)

Hope this help others, marsredr100.



marsredr100....................so you never had the Revi intake box? Just curious as I plan on making the SC work with the Revi box setup. I plan on finding another location(somehow) for the SC cooler bottle. Heard Bastage was over to take a look.......did you do the install or was it already done? How long did it take in total? I thought you had gone to Pettit for the install.....so did you just do some of the air intake?

Dave

marsredr100....................so you never had the Revi intake box? Just curious as I plan on making the SC work with the Revi box setup. I plan on finding another location(somehow) for the SC cooler bottle. Heard Bastage was over helping with the install.......did you two guys do it alone? How long did it take in total? Did you two do the entire install? I thought you had gone to Pettit for the install.....so did you guys just do some of the air intake?

Dave

I still have my Revi intake and it will go on eBay today. I was thinking about re-using my Revi intake with the SC but there is no room to do it unless you have the time and tools. (20 years in the US Army taught me that nothing is impossible)

You can try placing the cooler before the radiator (see picture below) or in front of the battery box. I'm goint to try before the battery box location later on. Right now I just wanted to get the car on the road and will make changes as time goes by.

I did the installation and mods by myself and it took me a week. I only worked about three hours per day ( I'm too picky about minor details) since I do have a regular job, family, house and two turtles to feed.

Bastage was at my place yesterday to take a look at my set up and to compare performance. Bastage RX8 is bone stock except for the SC. His comment was "got to get me an alum flywheel and exedy stage1 clutch". I told him to get it, bring it home and we can do it in six hours. Well, maybe seven. Go to stop for a bit and eat the pizza he is buying.

I still have my Revi intake and it will go on eBay today. I was thinking about re-using my Revi intake with the SC but there is no room to do it unless you have the time and tools. (20 years in the US Army taught me that nothing is impossible)

You can try placing the cooler before the radiator (see picture below) or in front of the battery box. I'm goint to try before the battery box location later on. Right now I just wanted to get the car on the road and will make changes as time goes by.

I did the installation and mods by myself and it took me a week. I only worked about three hours per day ( I'm too picky about minor details) since I do have a regular job, family, house and two turtles to feed.

Bastage was at my place yesterday to take a look at my set up and to compare performance. Bastage RX8 is bone stock except for the SC. His comment was "got to get me an alum flywheel and exedy stage1 clutch". I told him to get it, bring it home and we can do it in six hours. Well, maybe seven. Go to stop for a bit and eat the pizza he is buying.


Have been thinking about putting it back where the windshield washer bottle is. Maybe either shrinking that one or turning the windshiled washer bottle sideways.
Sometime when you are out there, measure the dimensions of the SC cooler bottle for me. Although it would be tight, it seems as if you can move that bottle, the intake would fit with the tube that comes with the Revi(where the MAF is located).

Have been thinking about putting it back where the windshield washer bottle is. Maybe either shrinking that one or turning the windshiled washer bottle sideways.
Sometime when you are out there, measure the dimensions of the SC cooler bottle for me. Although it would be tight, it seems as if you can move that bottle, the intake would fit with the tube that comes with the Revi(where the MAF is located).

The Revi box will fit if the SC cooler is relocated but you will have to figure out how to connect the MAF intake to the Pettit SC. See below that the Revi box MAF intake does not match the Pettit SC intake.

The Revi box will fit if the SC cooler is relocated but you will have to figure out how to connect the MAF intake to the Pettit SC. See below that the Revi box MAF intake does not match the Pettit SC intake.

Hmmmmmmmmm.......thanks for the pics!
A pic is worth a thousand words!

Dave

Oh no!
Psycho, stalker, troll.........................be on your guard MM. :Eyecrazy:
:lol2:

That’s sounds so wrong mister. :nono:

I prefer the term internet soul searching instead, thank you. ;)

That’s sounds so wrong mister. :nono:

I prefer the term internet soul searching instead, thank you. ;)


WTF!!!!!!

That’s sounds so wrong mister. :nono:

I prefer the term internet soul searching instead, thank you. ;)


Looks like MM has another fanboi after him.. is that Michael W. Smith's a$$ shot?

You are right MM and in so many ways.
Nothing like genius men and their fast cars.

Your #1 Fan :)

heh - funny.
Anyway - thought you were "done with this thread" MM ?

You are right MM and in so many ways.
Nothing like genius men and their fast cars.

Your #1 Fan :)

Thanks!


heh - funny.
Anyway - thought you were "done with this thread" MM ?

The shit was getting piled up again, so I figured I'd come and dig you out.
Its easier to deal with here than all the PMs from this thread, anyway.

That’s sounds so wrong mister. :nono:

I prefer the term internet soul searching instead, thank you. ;)

Woo hoo! You are local to Phoenix! Why don't you come over, I'll get out the oils and some candles. We can make avatars all afternoon!
Or, I could bring my "equipment" over to your place! Where are you located?

Pettit totally dodges the question of why the air bleed is hooked up to the OMP nozzles. Do they realize that there is no forward flowing air to the JAB nozzles because of this arrangement? (Utilizing the pressure to normalize the bleed to the OMP nozzles is not optimal, either.)
They also did not address what "Protek" is and why it is better than Idemitsu. They just gave their sales pitch.

If the instructions were meant for "professionals", why are they shipping these instructions to amateurs/end-users?

#6 is complete bull. The TC doesn't care how fast you are accelerating! Are any of the turbo users (who have considerably more power at their disposal) have similar problems? Of course not. The TCS/DSC is acting up because the MAF isn't properly installed. That sort of ignorance is not acceptable from a company like Pettit.

No answer for "#13", eh?
I find that when one constantly spills over the cup, they themselves must be mis-representing something. Jeff, my friend... It has become painfully clear that you are biased and DO have a grudge against the Pettit Blower, the Company and anything they do. So OK! As long as everyone knows this, keep climbing on your "I know all and no one else knows better" SoapBox. Your creditability with me, at the very least, is weakening with every crass post you make. I wish this was not the case but I have plead with you to show at least a small amount of respect and that you refuse to.
BTW, Who are you to demand that PETTIT disclose anything to you? NO one! You will not be purchasing a kit, will you?
-Cam did not dodge the question. He gave a forward answer. Stop misrepresenting. If you feel it posses a new question then kindly ask it! Not that hard, but you'd rather undermined!
-ProTek, God knows I could be wrong, but I never saw any claim that it was better than Idemitsu's Synthetic Blend. Not speaking for Cam, but once again... What makes you think that Pettit must disclose their secret ingredients? Have you barked the same ARROGANT question of Idemitsu? Once again, this is a smoke and mirror tactic to discredit Pettit. Completely unfounded and biased.
-Phill basically threatened to slit his wrist if he was not the 1st Blower shipped. Joking, but he really wanted to be the 1st guy with it. I guess by your posture, Pettit should completely pull the kit off the market until the install PDF is correct? Or they should ONLY ship it to professional shops? What is your point in this argument. Do you want Pettit to say that the instructions may be a bit difficult for the novice? Pettit is standing by the product and takes phone calls and resolves any overlooked, omitted or otherwise issues and publicly announces and agrees to retro ship anything that coulda/woulda/shoulda been with the 1st release. Greedy didn't do that now did they?
-I disagree with your TC claim. So much so, if I did not know you owned an 8, I'd think you were just a troll against 8's.
Anyone with a stock 8 or otherwise. Leave the TC on and do a 4K Clutch drop to spin the wheels. Wow... the car loses throttle and you look like a fool going nowhere quick. Now disable the TC and do the same... Neato you just left about 20-50 bucks worth of rubber on the road.
I may be missing something here, but Cam's explanation makes all the sense to an Ignorant and simple minded fella like me.
-Ah and good ol' question #13,
Pat has offered an answer, but not good enough for ya. I take it that you are upset with the tune, that maybe you spoke with Scott and he shared some info with you? The goal is to Flash the EMU and be done with the Aftermarket ECU's. I guess you are fishing for something to once again discredit Pettit? Most that are going to get the S/C either way are holding out for the Flash breakthrough, so the tune or masters behind the tune does not really matter. I does not say that Cam will not discuss this but I posted what he sent back to me.

Jeff, I do not think I am better than you or anyone else. I really wish to keep this civil, and ask once again that you keep it civil. I apologize before hand for my stern posture, but I will not cowardly stand down to you chirping these misrepresentations and your quite childish foot-stomping because you did not get the answers you want.

NOTE: I am not speaking on behalf of PETTIT in the above comments. My comments are in no way authorized or sanctioned by Pettit. I stand on my own and am solely responsible for my comments. Please do not let my comments alter your decisions in anyway. Also, please try to reframe from adding fuel to these comments if at all possible. I know I am asking alot.

Quck MM send backa reply to ViceGrip.

Please don't let me down. :inlove:

ROLF!!! My money is on Niki or Chewy.

There must either be some massive lack of reading comprehension going on or you are just being incredibly defensive.
I will try again.

It has become painfully clear that you are biased and DO have a grudge against the Pettit Blower, the Company and anything they do.
From where could you possibly construe this? Have you ever seen ANY of my posts about the shortcomings of every other product I have come in contact with?
If I had a bias against Pettit, why would I bother even posting here?
My questions have absolutely nothing to do with profit, ego or bias. I just want to see some straight shooting and responsibility on the part of manufacturers. Don't you want the truth from these people rather than marketing hype? I want to see this product succeed. It can't possibly do that if it requires so much intervention. I have nothing to gain either way, other than the satisfaction that I helped someone somewhere get what they paid for.
Have you ever seen a Jackson Racing setup? That is how the Pettit setup should be. Complete, functional and user-friendly.

Your creditability with me, at the very least, is weakening with every crass post you make. I wish this was not the case but I have plead with you to show at least a small amount of respect and that you refuse to.

I couldn't give a flying f*ck about my credibility with you.
People will read what I say and take it with the same grain of salt that they need to read the marketing hype from Pettit, MazdaSport, AxialFlow, GReddy or anybody else. To just sit there and assail my perceived "credibility" rather than my points made is disingenuous and shows a lack of credibility on your end.


BTW, Who are you to demand that PETTIT disclose anything to you? NO one! You will not be purchasing a kit, will you?

Demand? I asked a question, it didn't get answered, but deflected. If it wasn't going to be answered, a simple "no comment" or "we do not compare the two products" would have be sufficient.


-Cam did not dodge the question. He gave a forward answer. Stop misrepresenting. If you feel it posses a new question then kindly ask it! Not that hard, but you'd rather undermined!

I asked about the viability of attaching the air bleeds to the OMP bleed. Did you see an answer in any of that? If so, please feel free to rephrase it so that my feeble mind can understand.
My question stands - Why do the minds at Pettit see the idea of cutting off the flow of air to the JAB nozzles as a good idea?


-ProTek, God knows I could be wrong, but I never saw any claim that it was better than Idemitsu's Synthetic Blend. Not speaking for Cam, but once again... What makes you think that Pettit must disclose their secret ingredients?

Who said they claimed it? I ASKED how they were different. That was an actual question (that did not get answered).

Have you barked the same ARROGANT question of Idemitsu?

Yes. I have had several exchanges with them. They were quite straightforward.


I guess by your posture, Pettit should completely pull the kit off the market until the install PDF is correct? Or they should ONLY ship it to professional shops?

Yes.

Do you want Pettit to say that the instructions may be a bit difficult for the novice?

Yes, at a minimum. They sould, at this point, also include a disclaimer that the kit will require some fabrication and adjustment and will not be legal for use on the street.

Pettit is standing by the product and takes phone calls and resolves any overlooked, omitted or otherwise issues and publicly announces and agrees to retro ship anything that coulda/woulda/shoulda been with the 1st release.

Of course they do. I am not assailing their willingness to be proactive upon complaint. They have taken every one of Ray's suggestions (or mine for that matter) and either incorporated them in the kit or made some sort of adjustment.

Greedy didn't do that now did they?

Yes, GReddy did. If you were an authorized dealer, or clever enough to know who to contact, you could get some amazing product support from them. That said, their product was not ready from prime time either, but at least it shipped complete. If you think I'm being hard on Pettit, maybe you should go back and read some of the things I said about GReddy!


-Ah and good ol' question #13,
Pat has offered an answer, but not good enough for ya. I take it that you are upset with the tune, that maybe you spoke with Scott and he shared some info with you? The goal is to Flash the EMU and be done with the Aftermarket ECU's. I guess you are fishing for something to once again discredit Pettit? Most that are going to get the S/C either way are holding out for the Flash breakthrough, so the tune or masters behind the tune does not really matter. I does not say that Cam will not discuss this but I posted what he sent back to me.

Why would I be "upset" with the tune? I'm just curious because it was wrong and I'd like to know why.

Jeff, I do not think I am better than you or anyone else. I really wish to keep this civil, and ask once again that you keep it civil. I apologize before hand for my stern posture, but I will not cowardly stand down to you chirping these misrepresentations and your quite childish foot-stomping because you did not get the answers you want.

Is that really how you characterize my response? Are you really that sensitive?

I find it interesting that people that read my responses see "anger", "bias" or anything like ranting or foot-stomping in them. (English was not my first language, but I don't believe that has anything to do with it.) I am passionate about what I do. I am involved in what I see as opportunity for improvement in our cars and the products that are available for them.
I'd hope that anyone that reads this stuff would feel the same.
I'd hope that anyone that considers this or any other product of this magnitude would have the common sense and practical interest to read everything that is said and get to the bottom of it all.
I'd hope that anyone that reads this post can see the difference between my genuine interest in the outcome and Vice^Grip's interest in the product.
I'd think that the difference in my involvement and comment and that of someone like Ike, for instance would be obvious.

If all of this is not to someone's liking, you can kiss my ass. How is that for insulting? Does that give you enough ammo to "discredit" my entire "rant"?



ROLF!!! My money is on Niki or Chewy.

Nah. Its "marsredr100". Its his IP, anyway. Not sure what he is up to. His other posts seem so sensible.

Quck MM send backa reply to ViceGrip.

Please don't let me down. :inlove:

So, are you coming over or what? I've got the Jacuzzi going and a bottle of champagne in the chiller and my compressor is up and running on full...

So, are you coming over or what? I've got the Jacuzzi going and a bottle of champagne in the chiller and my compressor is up and running on full...

Nice try. How about this IP address: have you ever heard of an anonymizer?

one thing you are missing with all your criticism MM, is that there are now several owners with this kit - 5 (i think) on this site who are all happy with it .
I've been following this site for 18 months now and in the context of major RX8 upgrades this is no small achievement .
Your constant put downs do seem like a personal grudge/crusade against Pettit to most of us even though there is some substance to a lot of what you say .

I'd hope that anyone that reads this post can see the difference between my genuine interest in the outcome and Vice^Grip's interest in the product.
That is it!!!! I am driving all the way out there to cover you in some sticky matter and then dust you in cookie crumbs!
I did not know that English was not your 1st language. You have a nice command of English. It was not a factor in my tirade!
I also must admit that I expected more of an assault response than you offered and that both surprised me and humbled me.
I do not see where Cam misdirected the questions, honestly. You posed a more direct question and more support of the others and I would hope to get them answered for all as well. Naturally, I made some assumptions of your post, but I have read several of your post and do know you to be hard on all walks. I do know you have a very unhealthy affliction with cars too! :)
A bit sensitive was I, Yes.. maybe. I am full of and share your same desire to have products working at optimal and do agree that sometimes the question of WTF? needs to be asked. Don't think for a short second that I am blindly leaping into a support category. I just know what Pettit is and know they have way more Technical ability tan you "Seemingly" give them credit for.
I'd like to ramble on more but my daughters really want to go for a walk so I gotta dip for a bit.
Thanks for not igniting on my post, the verbatim quotes was a bit funny and made me laugh too...

Your new professed fan is way hilarious too. I hope you do get the chance to hook-up with her and rip her out of the fame! Sound like she needs a good Rotation!

Dan

Your new professed fan is way hilarious too. I hope you do get the chance to hook-up with her and rip her out of the fame! Sound like she needs a good Rotation!

I think its fairly obvious that it is a "he" not a "she". Too bad, really. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll post pics for sure.

Nice try. How about this IP address: have you ever heard of an anonymizer?

So, why did you anonymously select marsredr100's IP? That is just mean!
I'm waiting! I had to get out of the Jacuzzi because I was starting to get prune skin.
Now I'm just laying here in the sun drying off. Don't you want to know what I'm wearing?
Do you have a MySpace page so I can look at your pics! That would be so hot.
Don't be a tease! I've got whipped cream!

That is it!!!! I am driving all the way out there to cover you in some sticky matter and then dust you in cookie crumbs!

Uh oh! You and MMFan#1 are going to have to fight it out!


I do know you have a very unhealthy affliction with cars too!


Well, then lets stop with the attacks on my "intent" and get some answers!

Here we go again.

Here we go again.

Only if you go again.
If you couldn't make sense out of my conversation here with Dan, then you are not in a position to offer analysis and shouldn't be posting crap like this.
I'm trying to help you and the rest of your "brethren", so get over the idea that you have the corner on this discourse or that my questions are aimed at you personally or designed to disparage Pettit on name or premise alone.

You are not my mother. You do not have the privilege of judging my thoughts, words or actions based on my "attitude".

Grow up and tune in. Otherwise, go play with Mood. I'm sure he's lonely.
I offered you a chance at a "truce" and you refused it, so be resigned to having your every word parsed.

I just don't remember anyone electing you advocate. I'd personally choose someone with some social skills and a little less of an ego, but that's just me. As for your offer of truce, when did you offer me a truce?

No one elected you group emo-kid, either. Talk about ego! I am asking hard questions in hope of seeing a perfection of this system and you are just bad mouthing me because you don't understand the questions in the first place.
Rather than wasting your time attacking my "attitude" or my "social skills" and posting lies about me and my involvement with this device and the people attached to it in these threads, maybe you should go get an education on what the grown-ups in the room are talking about and keep your opinions to yourself.

No one elected you group emo-kid, either. Talk about ego! I am asking hard questions in hope of seeing a perfection of this system and you are just bad mouthing me because you don't understand the questions in the first place.
Rather than wasting your time attacking my "attitude" or my "social skills" and posting lies about me and my involvement with this device and the people attached to it in these threads, maybe you should go get an education on what the grown-ups in the room are talking about and keep your opinions to yourself.

I understand you perfectly.

If you're so hell-bent on the perfection of this system, why don't you just call Cam and speak with him personally, instead of wasting everyone else's time proving to them how smart you are? Dude, grow up already. I'm sure even you're #1 fan is getting disappointed in you.

Where are the lies? When have I ever said anything on this forum that wasn't true? Since you're so focused on parsing my posts, be my guest and parse an answer to this question.

While we're parsing posts, where did you offer me a truce? I don't even see you attempting to "dodge" an answer to that question; you're just plain ignoring it.

I'm not attacking anything here, just making observations. If you take offense to my pointing out your lack of social skills and horrible attitude, then I whole-heartedly, and sincerely apologize.

"Quote"Phill basically threatened to slit his wrist if he was not the 1st Blower shipped. Joking, but he really wanted to be the 1st guy with it."quote"

I hope your just kidding about the sliting of the wrist. I never threatened any one in any way to get the first unit - I was the squeaky wheel with Cam, posting, calling and making offers for the first "shipped" unit. I think if you read my posts you should realize that I knew what the possibilities were for problems. To date my only criticism has been the lack of instructions. Yes I posted when there were problems but not in the negative but as instructional. My unit is the source of this negativity because I do not have the knowledge to do the work myself nor do I live close enough to run to Cam when there is a problem. There are a lot of "us" out here wanting the s/c but most do not have my financial ability to live thru and absorb the problems inherent with a new product. It's Phil not Phill

What started all of this drama was not MM's questioning of the product, it was his attitude and lack of tact. He made it personal.

You know EXACTLY who made it personal by threatening me with bodily harm.
I asked you to retract that. You didn't. I'll post the PM if you would like.
So, not only are you a liar, you are also an arrogant ass.

Somehow, you've appointed yourself as the hall monitor for this thread, so I'm going to treat you exactly the same way I treated the hall monitor back in school.

"Quote"Phill basically threatened to slit his wrist if he was not the 1st Blower shipped. Joking, but he really wanted to be the 1st guy with it."quote"

I think Dan was speaking figuratively on that one Phil!

They should turn this into a reality tv show on speed. LMFAO!!!

They should turn this into a reality tv show on speed. LMFAO!!!

It would be pretty boring.
Unless you let Bastage hit me over the head with a folding chair.
Then, he can find out I'm his baby daddy.
Or something like that.

Actually, I think it would look like an episode of "American Body Shop" on Comedy Central! (As long as I get to be Rob, I'm happy!)

wait a minuet wait a minuet!

English isn't your first language, Jeff? I call shaneigans!! Unless of course you are talking about baby-talk.

Dude, I am king of the Little People! Don't you know?
I hail from the land of the Little Mermaid, Vikings and really good bacon.
I guess you haven't heard me swear. I guess that is good because it means you haven't witnessed me really hurt myself.

wait a minuet wait a minuet!

English isn't your first language, Jeff? I call shaneigans!! Unless of course you are talking about baby-talk.


sad, but true.. his second or third language is better than my first... what a country..


beers :beer:

The women from that part of the world are ok looking as well.

Of course they do. I am not assailing their willingness to be proactive upon complaint. They have taken every one of Ray's suggestions (or mine for that matter) and either incorporated them in the kit or made some sort of adjustment.

Producing your own product is no doubt a painful experience and frought with working out bugs and trying to make something that not only works but works well under most conditions.

No doubt some might find MM's comments frustrating but frankly I'm glad that we have people to ask the hard questions. No one here is trying to diminish the work Pettit has done or any assistance Cam has provided. The only way this product is going to get better is if the experienced users pick it apart and find the holes.

I'm glad that MazdaManiac is pushing to make sure the hard questions are asked. A lot of the 8 owners (including myself) in AZMC use him as a reference for difficult issues and problems we get stumped on. Still, he's not the end all be all for answers as I've seen him several times turn to other AZMC members for assistance.

I've spoken with Jeff on several instances about this kit and his opinions and we have several 8 owners interested in going supercharged and no doubt they will seek Pettit's product.

I haven't followed this project nearly as long as some but I can understand those who have being excited about the end result. We've all seen promising products come and fizzle out, rarely seeing a completed build. I think many were so excited to see a finished product they didn't dare start picking at it to see what issues were present.

We can't get tunnel vision just because it's been a long wait.

Originally Posted by mazdamaniac#1fan
You are right MM and in so many ways.
Nothing like genius men and their fast cars.

Your #1 Fan

i saw him first!

You are right MM and in so many ways.
Nothing like genius men and their fast cars.

Your #1 Fan :)


That is it!!!! I am driving all the way out there to cover you in some sticky matter and then dust you in cookie crumbs!


i saw him first!


Now its going to be a 3-way fight between vIce^gRip, MazdaManiac#1fan and FlashWing.

This will be interesting!

The women from that part of the world are ok looking as well.

Damn sure of that! Look at our traffic warden:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3801/bikinibanditswebzz2.jpg

http://speedbandits.dk/

HEHE, I married one. She doesn't do traffic though.

You know EXACTLY who made it personal by threatening me with bodily harm.
I asked you to retract that. You didn't. I'll post the PM if you would like.
So, not only are you a liar, you are also an arrogant ass.

Somehow, you've appointed yourself as the hall monitor for this thread, so I'm going to treat you exactly the same way I treated the hall monitor back in school.


I think Dan was speaking figuratively on that one Phil!

I guess he just threatened you with bodily harm without any wrong-doing on your part. Man, how blind I was. You're so innocent. Just like how your hall monitor back in school would give you unprovoked wedgies. You didn't do anything to deserve them, how sad. Screw reality shows, we need to make your life into a Lifetime TV Movie; it would be funny as hell.

Oh, and don't bother posting the PM, I'll post it for you, so everyone can see how innocent you are:

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I'm staying out of your SC thread because you all seem to be doing just fine on your own. I'll continue to help the end customers that care about their installations, but you can continue to stroke yourselves in that thread and await "fixes" that we pass on to Cam.

However, unless you want me to make a public example of you, I suggest you retract the falsehoods in your last post before you render yourself into a doppelganger of Moon.
He did plenty of lying and making a fool of himself in the old thread, there is no reason to reduce yourself to that level.

This is not a threat, but just a suggestion. You can do as you please. I'd just hate to take you to task on that stuff and get your thread stuffed.

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Like I said before, you're dodging my questions. Where was the offer of truce? This PM certainly was no offer of truce, more like a whiney threat, and I'M the "doppelganger of Moon." That was pretty funny, btw.

Also, once again, if you're so hell-bent on making this system perfect, why don't you call Cam personally instead of wasting everyone's time trying to prove to us how smart you think you are?

I'll ask it again: if you're so hell-bent on making this system perfect, why don't you call Cam personally instead of wasting everyone's time trying to prove to us how smart you think you are?

Now, "I'm done here," and by done, I mean posting about this crap.

Actually if mazdamaniac#1fan happens to actually be a chick then I'd just take her instead...you're already married and I'm single and lonely ;-).

Now, "I'm done here," and by done, I mean posting about this crap.

If it were only true.

120 miles driven so far and no problems to talk about it, yet. My idle is steady even with the AC on. Not sure if the Racing Beat Race Flash or the fresh air intake or the combination of both has anything to do with it. Per my conversation with a Racing Beat tech a while back, the RX8 computer takes a several hundred miles to adjust itself. Not sure if this is true since I'm new to the FI technology arena. Stay tune for further updates.

"Quote"Phill basically threatened to slit his wrist if he was not the 1st Blower shipped. Joking, but he really wanted to be the 1st guy with it."quote"

I hope your just kidding about the sliting of the wrist. I never threatened any one in any way to get the first unit - I was the squeaky wheel with Cam, posting, calling and making offers for the first "shipped" unit. I think if you read my posts you should realize that I knew what the possibilities were for problems. To date my only criticism has been the lack of instructions. Yes I posted when there were problems but not in the negative but as instructional. My unit is the source of this negativity because I do not have the knowledge to do the work myself nor do I live close enough to run to Cam when there is a problem. There are a lot of "us" out here wanting the s/c but most do not have my financial ability to live thru and absorb the problems inherent with a new product. It's Phil not Phill

"Phil" with only one "L", my apologies! Of course I was kidding about the killing onesself line and said so!
I was only bringing this up because it was implied that Pettit wanted to send a sub-par product to the market as quick as possible. Most and frankly, all of this negative press revolves around your 1st not Pettit installed s/c. Let me make it clear that I nor Cam are blaming you or saying that you caused a nightmare... but basically, Pettit gets to be the whipping Co. for releasing it in somewhat of a rush. It was initially planned that 4-5 test 8's (One was to be mine cause I do Not track but do lots of High & Low-Speed in City Travel) were to have it and deal with the issues so a final product would be mint, but the market stated they all wanted to be the test units and could deal with the set-backs of trouble-shooting & issue discovery.
Lastly, You, Ray and Jeff have provided very valuable input with the issues that you faced. Cam and Ray had good sessions of discovery and enlightenment. The next Gen units will be better for it.
I am just saying that Pettit really wants to produce a quality Product. I know Cam personally, and like most of us he takes pride in his Good Name. He would not purposely Lie or Mislead the public about this product. Every Set Back or retro fit COSTS his company and he would never willfully incur and unnecessary cost. Never-the-less, I think we are all past this stage now. I think most know that Pettit is doing what it takes to make the s/c even better.
Dan with 2 NN,s in Danny! LOL

120 miles driven so far and no problems to talk about it, yet. My idle is steady even with the AC on. Not sure if the Racing Beat Race Flash or the fresh air intake or the combination of both has anything to do with it. Per my conversation with a Racing Beat tech a while back, the RX8 computer takes a several hundred miles to adjust itself. Not sure if this is true since I'm new to the FI technology arena. Stay tune for further updates.

My idle has improved quite a bit with the new map I got from you, and finding/replacing the bad coil yesterday (could have also been because I disconnected the battery to replace the coil, NFI). It's still not perfect, but way better than before. Anyway, I forgot to take some video of your car. I had my camera in the laptop bag, I just completely forgot about it. People should hear how that thing sounds.

MM- the Sticky & Cookie Dust was a cute way of saying Tar & Feather! <----Dem was fighting words! Now I'd gladly sit down and have a beer with ya, but I can guarantee you I will NOT be playing footsies with ya! I am a Mans Man... No Doubt about that... Well I used to be before I got locked down by the Ol'Lady and seeded 2 beautiful daughters. The Gun collection must grow larger now!

Bastage- We all get overheated from time to time. I'd like to say the same, MM has no power over you unless you give it to him. You have no power over him unless he gives it to you. 90% of all readers of this thread are coming to see the Free Circus Show put on by their Favorite CLOWNS! I am actively choosing to no longer be one of those clowns. The Shipwreck is over and now each of us can hang in our respective dingies, working together to become rescued...

vIce^gRip- You are the coolest and most perfect being on the web. Go get em' ya Man-Pansy!:rock:

vIce^gRip- You are the coolest and most perfect being on the web. Go get em' ya Man-Pansy!:rock:

Nice

:rofl:

To all

I live in Lakeland, Florida (between Tampa and Orlando) and I’m offering my installation services to you at, what I consider to be, a real bargain price. I am offering my services as a rotary enthusiast to others with similar interests.

I just installed a Pettit Super Charger on my RX8 and saved the Pettit Racing installation charge of $995. I’m offering the same installation service for far less than that; final cost is based upon what you actually need done. PM me with your requirements for a quote. This offer comes with Cam’s blessing since he understands that not everyone can drive to Lake Park, Florida or wait for an available installation appointment. I digitally documented my SC installation (step-by-step) and sent it back to Cam for review (For proprietary reasons, please do not request copies of these photo’s). He liked what I did since I went “above and beyond” normal installations - taking care of the many intricate details (mainly the aesthetics of the installation). You will have to purchase the kit directly from Pettit and either bring it with you or have Pettit ship it directly to me. (They have my address and Cam knows I’m offering my installation services). I also work near Mazsport and can pick up the Interceptor X (part of the SC kit) and optional cooling fan control mod (you will order and pay Mazsport directly for it) this will save you all associated shipping charges.

I can also get RB parts at 5 to 15 percent below market value and free shipment direct to me. I do not make any money on the parts just on the installation. Do not send me PM’s requesting RB parts since I am not an RB dealer. I only receive the discount if the parts are shipped directly to me. You must pay for all parts up front, prior to installation. Installation charges will depend on what part you would like to order.

Please keep in mind the following:

I’m not a Pettit Racing, Mazsport or Racing Beat dealer, nor do I represent any of them.
I do not own an auto repair shop
I do not guarantee the parts, just the installation
I do not do tuning
I do not accept checks, credit cards, or IOU’s (only cash, and, prior to installation)
The SC installation will take one week; therefore you will have to leave the car with me. Don’t worry, I will not drive your car outside of my driveway (odometer reading will be annotated upon delivery and again at pick-up). Car needs to be registered, tagged and insured. I can not accept responsibility for damage to your car or its contents. Please don’t drop off a car full of junk. I make this policy for the following reason – a few months ago a piece of “blue ice” fell from the sky near Tampa and landed directly on top of a Ford Mustang. Needless to say, the Mustang was a total loss.
These installations are not my sole source of employment – I do this because I enjoy it, and in-turn it helps you save money too.
I accomplish all work in my car garage which comes along with family members and a quiet neighborhood, therefore I respectfully request that when dropping off, or picking up, a vehicle that you refrain from the following: drugs, alcohol drinking, swearing, smoking, loud exhaust, loud music, etc.

Thanks

I had a couple of other suggestions regarding the kit but I am going to refrain from stating them publicly as I am tired of controversy being created where none truly exists. All I will do is invite all of you to criticize whatever products I may offer under the Paradox brand as fervently as you do the Pettit Supercharger Kit.
Ray... I'd hope that the bickering phase is over.
I'd for one like to know what you have discovered. Maybe it is best that you contact Cam directly as you already have a good professional relationship there.
I also promise to not flame any Paradox manufactured product... I'll leave that up to Jeff! LOL :bootyshak

Jeff won't flame Paradox offerings as he will be part of the team. .

I wouldn't be so sure - I sometimes wonder if he has multiple personalities :rolleyes:

I sometimes wonder if he has multiple personalities :rolleyes:

No, just one, giant, all-encompassing one.

HEY, no fair recycling avatars! I've seen this one already.

Great memory Jedi has.
-yoda

i wanna see some male bods!!!

:D:

i wanna see some male bods!!!

:D:

then get to work... maybe mm will give you the script to make them rotate...

beers :beer:

HEY, no fair recycling avatars! I've seen this one already.

Great memory Jedi has.
-yoda

Its random. I only have a few hundred that are "Forum Safe".


i wanna see some male bods!!!

:D:

Just for you, I'm working on it!

I sitll don't believe you, Jeff. You threw me off by saying "really good bacon". Everyone knows really good bacon comes from Canada. And you aren't Canadian- I would have known.

Everyone knows really good bacon comes from Canada.

Most of the worlds bacon and ham comes from Denmark. Strange, but true.

So the expensive bacon I've been buying souly because it comes from Canada is false?! I feel so betrayed....

I had no idea you were Danish. So am I! How do we look so different?

seems like this whole mess could have been avoided by accurately stating in the first post that the instructions are crappy and the DIY is for advanced home mechanics only.

Seems reasonable to me.

I had no idea you were Danish. So am I! How do we look so different?

Probably because my ancestors got there from Poland and Estonia long after your's were already there, ransacking the place.
Come to think of it, you do look a little like Gorm.

Sandhed er fremmed end fiction!

seems like this whole mess could have been avoided by accurately stating in the first post that the instructions are crappy and the DIY is for advanced home mechanics only.

Seems reasonable to me.

I'm by no means an advanced mechanic, but even I can make bacon, Danish or Canadian.

i wanna see some male bods!!!

:D:

Just for you, Pat:

For the record, I did NOT take any of the above pictures.
Not because they are men, but just because the skill of the photograph is obviously way above mine.

ok guys...enough talk about meat!!! :puke:

back on topic please!! :Eyecrazy:

For the record, I did NOT take any of the above pictures.
Not because they are men, but just because the skill of the photograph is obviously way above mine.

Yeah.............sure Jeff..............now you really are starting to worry me! :rollingla

Seriously..........as Pat has requested..........Let's all get back on track and let all this crap lie.

QUESTIONS CONTINUED:

9.) What has Pettit been able to with Int-X’s, Auto's 124mph speed limiter? Is this still an Issue?
So far only the auto is having this problem.

10.) When will the s/c be available for us in Australia?
We are taking orders from customers worldwide, to reserve our Stage II Kit we are accepting a $500 deposit from serious customers and expect to ship the second production run in August 07 #3. The 3rd production run will not ship until Late 07. We can accept Paypal, or CC, send to Lab@pettitracing.com

11.) When is stage I and III expected? III development schedule and how it's looking?
We will not be testing Stage I or III until the powers to be are able to reflash the stock ECU, shut off the dash warning lamps and fully maintain emission standards.

12.) Who actually did the Int-X tuning that is shipping with the kit? Was it, in fact, Steve Kan? And, if so, who else worked on that program besides him? Was Scott involved at all with that final tune? Is it still shipping with the same tune as the one that went out with Phil's kit?
With over 25 years of experience working with rotarys fuel and ignition systems it is clearly evident that tuner cars have the most variables over their operating range. Just the different exhaust systems available and their variances in back pressure and flo rates makes it nearly impossible to supply a perfect tune for every system, not to mention variances in fuel pressure, injector flo rates and individual engine condition, (compression #'s). To sum it up the base maps we are providing are base maps and for most cars so far they are working better than we expected, we will continue to improve them and and keep updating users, however; our goal here is to have the stock ecu working alone learning individual driving patterns and do the fine tuning for us just like it was intended from Mazda via short and long term fuel trims.

As for who tuned what, so far several names have been mentioned and we are extremely thankful for all the help and input we received from these professionals, they know who they are. Even with all the help we have received, so far all tuning improvements were made to existing maps , there just hasn't been the necessary time available to properly develop a map from scratch that is suitable for every vehicle, nevertheless we will continue to improve all aspects of the system.

Many great people have helped us with this project and we are thankful for their help and better for their friendship. Thanks Again.

12.) Who actually did the Int-X tuning that is shipping with the kit? Was it, in fact, Steve Kan? And, if so, who else worked on that program besides him? Was Scott involved at all with that final tune? Is it still shipping with the same tune as the one that went out with Phil's kit?
With over 25 years of experience working with rotarys fuel and ignition systems it is clearly evident that tuner cars have the most variables over their operating range. Just the different exhaust systems available and their variances in back pressure and flo rates makes it nearly impossible to supply a perfect tune for every system, not to mention variances in fuel pressure, injector flo rates and individual engine condition, (compression #'s). To sum it up the base maps we are providing are base maps and for most cars so far they are working better than we expected, we will continue to improve them and and keep updating users, however; our goal here is to have the stock ecu working alone learning individual driving patterns and do the fine tuning for us just like it was intended from Mazda via short and long term fuel trims.

As for who tuned what, so far several names have been mentioned and we are extremely thankful for all the help and input we received from these professionals, they know who they are. Even with all the help we have received, so far all tuning improvements were made to existing maps , there just hasn't been the necessary time available to properly develop a map from scratch that is suitable for every vehicle, nevertheless we will continue to improve all aspects of the system.



Dodged another one.

The MAPs in Phil's Int-X are absolutely NOT "base maps". I have the "base map" right in front of me.
Also, though it is true that every car needs tuning, the "base map" that Scott ships with the Int-X is significantly more compatible with the wide range of applications and variations than what was in Phil's machine. Look at the number of people that have ordered the Int-X from MazSport and simply plugged it in with good effect.
The setup in Phil's Int-X wasn't even correct. It wasn't even set to idle, let alone produce power. It had no ignition timing (basically a static timing curve, fixed around 9 degrees).
This is really basic stuff, not something that needs a significant amount of time (and I certainly bristle at the implication that they were willing to ship the kit "as is" and not invest the necessary time in the single most important component of the system - the tune).

I know a bunch of you are going to get all upset at my tone, so just calm down for a minute and think about how significant this is - Pettit shipped this kit without tuning it. Think back to what happened to early adopters of the GReddy kit. Can you possibly understand why this is upsetting to me and should be to you too?
It isn't an excuse to say "we'll fix it in the mix" when it comes to tuning. You blow up cars that way and you get crappy results at a minimum.
This is just such a cavalier response to a serious question.

BTW - The "question" text in the post above is in a color that is completely invisible if you are using the "plasma" theme for the forum.

Any way the maps from Phil's were a "bug" or typo? Somehow the tune got zeroed out? I don't have any working knowledge of INT-X interface, so I don't know how likely this is.

That seems unreal.

No, there was plenty of tuning going on there. Parts of the load map were correct and the machine-level setup was correct (the injector staging, ignition setups, dwell, firing order, etc.).
The idle map was totally FUBAR. The pump settings were really strange.
The ignition timing was completely wrong. The idle calibration was off the map (usually, it is just a few clicks in one direction or the other from correct).
I don't even remember half of it - it was so far off the mark that I just flew through all of the settings and put them somewhere usable from memory - muscle memory!
Once I had the basics in the neighborhood, I tinkered with it for a few to make sure it would run and be safe (hard not to be at only 3 PSI, but I digress) and spent the rest of my limited time on getting a stable idle in and out of gear and with the A/C on and off (that is a feat unto itself and its still far from perfect).

No, there was plenty of tuning going on there. Parts of the load map were correct and the machine-level setup was correct (the injector staging, ignition setups, dwell, firing order, etc.).
The idle map was totally FUBAR. The pump settings were really strange.
The ignition timing was completely wrong. The idle calibration was off the map (usually, it is just a few clicks in one direction or the other from correct).
I don't even remember half of it - it was so far off the mark that I just flew through all of the settings and put them somewhere usable from memory - muscle memory!
Once I had the basics in the neighborhood, I tinkered with it for a few to make sure it would run and be safe (hard not to be at only 3 PSI, but I digress) and spent the rest of my limited time on getting a stable idle in and out of gear and with the A/C on and off (that is a feat unto itself and its still far from perfect).
I am with Kane... Sounds to far off to be "Meant" to be that way. There must be some other factor.
Was any of this mentioned to Cam?
I will surely bring this to his attention.

Cams answer also was not a dodge... There is way more going on here in the world of Flashing the Factory Unit. One again, I cannot speak for Cam, but many players are helping and involved in both the Aftremarket tunes and Stock ECU. The Time statement was clearly marked as "From Scratch".
I think again the point is being missed that Most want to wait for the Flash BEFORE they buy a kit, while others want it NOW, regardless of the "issues". These units are being moved for those gotta have it now people.
I will, however; float the question about Phil's funky maps/tune!

The flash will be great - but it is vaporware at the moment.
The kit is out there and the Int-X is what it is shipped with, so that tune needs to be somewhere close to reality.
The problem in Phil's tune are not accidental - its not like the values were zeros or off the chart. We are just talking milliseconds and degrees of crank rotation. The choices were very deliberate.
But, they were very, very wrong.

The point is - at this time the tuning for the RX-8 is a fairly well "known entity"; certainly with regards to the Int-X.
To suggest that there is something particular about the Pettit kit that affects the TCS/DSC, speed limiter or any aspect of injector and ignition tuning is ludicrous.

I thought Steve Kahn did Phil's shitty ass tune? At least that's what I was told for the map I loaded up to Phil's car.

Der Anschlag, der mit mir in Ihren verrückten Sprachen kenne ich spricht, nicht Niederländisch

Mein Deutsch ist schrecklich. Es war das Dänische, nicht
holländisch!
War folk verwirren Niederländisch mit Dänische?

I don't know who did the tune and apparently Pettit isn't saying.

Ja ist Ihr Deutsch schrecklich! Mein Fehler, wußte ich nicht, welche Sprache, die Sie sie verwendeten, wie Dänische aussah

Well I was told (and proudly so!) it was Steve Kahn (Spelling?). And he's the guy who did Phil's N/A street tune as well.

Its Steve Kan. He is pretty huge and pulls big fees for his tuning sessions internationally.

Warum spricht ein Däne auf Deutsch? Du ikke kende Dansk?

möglicherweise ist mein Deutsch arm. Was sagte das Bumsen Sie gerecht? Ich erhielt nur Hälfte von dem.

Yeah, Phil was telling me how expensive he was. And the RX7 club got together to bring him down to Vegas and paid for everything. Big shot indeed

seems like this whole mess could have been avoided by accurately stating in the first post that the instructions are crappy and the DIY is for advanced home mechanics only.

Seems reasonable to me.

or realize that when you have to be the absolute first in line to buy something from a non-OEM (without tons of development money, testing time, and manufacturing controls), your going to be somewhat of a beta tester and should expect a few problems and then supprt to fix the problems...

Just to set the record straight, Steve Kan tuned my 8 on a dyno not for the street. He was not very happy with the results but was not able to improve his tune. Not understanding the process between street tunes and dyno tunes I elected the dyno - WRONG. I guess dyno tunes have their place but never again for me. I went together with the local 7 club on the tunes and they were all extremely happy with their results, in fact on guy who was cynical about the process gained 20hp from base.

Yeah, I've only heard good things about Steve Kan. That is why I thought it was so strange that there were such glaring mistakes in the tuning.

ROLF!!! My money is on Niki or Chewy.

Quck MM send backa reply to ViceGrip.

Please don't let me down. :inlove:

nahh MM FTW





Nah. Its "marsredr100". Its his IP, anyway. Not sure what he is up to. His other posts seem so sensible.

so marsredr100 should just stop while he is ahead.

so marsredr100 should just stop while he is ahead.


marsredr100's posts are really on-point, so I'm not sure why MazdaManiac#1fan is so silly. I like it. Alter-egos are fun!

I just made an appointment with Mazsport for a Street Tune & Dyno Tune. Mazsport supplies the Interceptor X which is part of the SC kit and is located 15 minutes from work. I know that I will not be able to get the maximum hp potential out of my particular setup without the proper equipment. I'm sure that with the experience and knowledge of Mazsport I will be able to achieve that. Will post results right after tuning (middle of August). 190 miles so far since the SC installation and no noticeable issues to point out.

Dodged another one.

The MAPs in Phil's Int-X are absolutely NOT "base maps". I have the "base map" right in front of me.
Also, though it is true that every car needs tuning, the "base map" that Scott ships with the Int-X is significantly more compatible with the wide range of applications and variations than what was in Phil's machine. Look at the number of people that have ordered the Int-X from MazSport and simply plugged it in with good effect.
The setup in Phil's Int-X wasn't even correct. It wasn't even set to idle, let alone produce power. It had no ignition timing (basically a static timing curve, fixed around 9 degrees).
This is really basic stuff, not something that needs a significant amount of time (and I certainly bristle at the implication that they were willing to ship the kit "as is" and not invest the necessary time in the single most important component of the system - the tune).

I know a bunch of you are going to get all upset at my tone, so just calm down for a minute and think about how significant this is - Pettit shipped this kit without tuning it. Think back to what happened to early adopters of the GReddy kit. Can you possibly understand why this is upsetting to me and should be to you too?
It isn't an excuse to say "we'll fix it in the mix" when it comes to tuning. You blow up cars that way and you get crappy results at a minimum.
This is just such a cavalier response to a serious question.


Just to set the record straight, Steve Kan tuned my 8 on a dyno not for the street. He was not very happy with the results but was not able to improve his tune. Not understanding the process between street tunes and dyno tunes I elected the dyno - WRONG. I guess dyno tunes have their place but never again for me. I went together with the local 7 club on the tunes and they were all extremely happy with their results, in fact on guy who was cynical about the process gained 20hp from base.
So just to make sure I understand this... Kan altered the Pettit released base map/tune?
It was not a direct result of what was delivered from Pettit?
I am a bit confused. As I read it, Phil had a tune session with Kan after the blower was initially installed and that Kan had left the tune in a less than satisfactory state? I am not pointing to Kan, just want to be clear on what is being said.
If so, then was Cam's cavalier response to a serious question, truly respectful of those that are helping to improve the system?

No, Steve Kan tuned Phil's car in NA form, not after the S/C install. Jeff did the tuning of the car post S/C.

The base map I loaded up to the Int-X from Cam, I was told, was created by Steve Kan who did it on Moon's car, and was included on the dongle that Cam eventually shipped to Phil. That was the base map that Jeff altered

So Kan FUBAR'd the Pettit maps?
then Jeff fixed them.

My question: what do the pettit maps look like???

So, its Steve Kan either way?

Oh, just so we're clear: I do not consider Phil's car "tuned". All I did was fix the glaring mistakes and get the car to a point that I consider drivable.
I'd like to get my hands on the car again and really tune it for power and drivability.

In this weeks episode of who tuned what and who is not paying ............

"Steve Cobb"? Hazy...

In this weeks episode of who tuned what and who is not paying ............

LMAO...

Seriously though, I don't know much about this SC, but I do hope that everything gets worked out so we have another quality FI option... The more, the merrier...

LOL... Ok, now I am really even more confused!
Cobb and Kan... both do exist.
Did the loaded map appear to be an actual AT, Dyno based tune? Or was it maybe a Manual Kan tune?
Argh... Well I see why Cam sent me this...

CAM OF PETTET:
Dan
All I can say is who cares who did what, If blame needs to be on someone for something we gladly accept it. For over 25 years now we have worked with most all the professional of the RX community, we have shared and gained knowledge in a genuine effort to make improvements that everyone benefits from, we always welcome input from anyone who cares to help the cause because we are far from perfect and have surely made mistakes on countless projects, however; we are also known to not give up until things are right and will continue to make improvements that everyone benefits from, in the meantime Pettit will accept blame for every problem.

We feel very strongly that it is wrong for anyone to point a finger at those who were gracious enough to help us...Also this debate need to stop, if anyone has all or even 1 answer, let them be known so everyone can benefit.

I don't think anyone is pointing a finger, just wondering who did the original tune.

Not paying........I don't get it(?).

I got that from the phrase "who is up who and who is not paying" which implied that this has turned into a bit of a soap opera .

It seems a lot of effort is being put into finding out why Phils tune was f**ked up .

I can't see why the tune being wrong has got everyone in such a lather . Phil wanted the kit - it was the first kitset sent out & the 2nd auto (after Moons) . He knew it was a new product that would need some sorting & he got some experienced people to help him with the install which seems to have worked out ok in the end . That should be the end of the story ......

So just to make sure I understand this... Kan altered the Pettit released base map/tune?
It was not a direct result of what was delivered from Pettit?
I am a bit confused. As I read it, Phil had a tune session with Kan after the blower was initially installed and that Kan had left the tune in a less than satisfactory state? I am not pointing to Kan, just want to be clear on what is being said.
If so, then was Cam's cavalier response to a serious question, truly respectful of those that are helping to improve the system?

I thought it was clear, I had the interceptor X tuned before the Pettit s/c was installed. All subsequent down loads (pardon my use of the term down load) were Pettit supplied. I have no idea who did them cuz I was told that the first one was a collaboration with Scott and that the second one was an improved down load from the original I was sent. I have since sent that "dongle" with the improved tune back to cam. At one time I had two separate down load dongles and I have no idea which one I am presently using as MM was PISSED at one of them. Only he can tell you which one is presently being used.

^ I agree, Ray. I'm not trying to point the finger, just wondering who did the "tune" because of the confusion surrounding it.

The end of the story should have been that Phil, nor anybody else who has purchased the kit, is complaining about it and saying they feel "duped" or mislead. To my knowledge, everyone who has it is happy with it. I am even going to buy one for myself a little later.

I fully agree - I was not "duped" or mislead and am happy with the s/c. There are still tuning problems that need to be addressed and I am sure that MM will fix them. MM last comment to me was something about only having a portion of what should be capable - if that's the case then when he is complete the performance will be more than I expected.

Hey Phil....gotta question...

did your kit come with 2 dongles?
if not, how did you get both of them?

thanks in advance

:D:

ray...reason for my question is this....

im wondering if he got my dongle instead...in light of the fact that cam was fitting phils kit while i was actually there in the shop...he told me he was getting ready to ship to las vegas...

now, my car was supposed to have a dongle in it when it was shipped back home..but there wasnt...

im just speculatin :D: a+b=c kinda

so this would be totally possible if they were both shipped out at or around the same time...


I MAY BE TOTALLY OFF MY ROCKER (rockin chair that is) :Eyecrazy:

Fine it was me I did the original maps thats my tune Phil is carrying around. There I said it are you happy now. lol

I doubt that to be the case because the most recent downloaded maps we had were from an adapter that Cam was very specific in having sent out. The second "dongle" came a few days after the dyno session that is in question, which was about 2 days before my second visit to Phil's. Moon even called me before I left home to tell me how it all went. I have to admit that amid all this controversy I could use a little help in trying to remember the events as they played out. Phil is befuddled, MM is scatter-brained, and I am just plain confused. What a great combo, eh?:)

indubitably :D:

but wouldnt it be hilarious if the tune on one of those dongles was mine?
:Eyecrazy:

Hey Phil....gotta question...

did your kit come with 2 dongles?
if not, how did you get both of them?

thanks in advance

:D:

I sent my dongle in for an upgrade as they were sending the s/c to me. There were a couple of missing parts and when Cam sent me the parts he was nice enough to send another dongle with a current tune. I have since sent it back as promised

Boy - what I wouldn't give to have two dongles :)

Boy - what I wouldn't give to have two dongles :)

check mate!! :D:

I've just gotten the scoop on the tuning situation right from the source, so it is no longer a mystery to me. Out of respect for what Cam has relayed through vIce^gRip (and for the parties in question) I won't discuss it here, but at least I now know the "pedigree" of what was in Phil's dongle (that sounds really bad).

Phil - if you have any time on Monday the 17th of September, I'm going to be in Vegas and would like to take a peek inside your Int-X tuning and see if I can tighten it up a bit more.

ok so donglegate it is..

whos dongle is on first????? what dongle is on second?????

beers :beer:

I am the G. Gordon Liddy of Donglegate! I'll never talk!
That damn McCord on the other hand...

ok so donglegate it is..

whos dongle is on first????? what dongle is on second?????

beers :beer:

yeh - donglegate - that has a certain ring to it ......

ding dong (legate)

I am the G. Gordon Liddy of Donglegate! I'll never talk!
That damn McCord on the other hand...

howard dean, baghole..

beers :beer:

Get your hands off my dongle :lol:

Damn....loosing it today

Mood Asshat = Howard Dean.
Charles Hill, ChickenWafer and Easy_E1 = The Plumbers.
vIce^gRip = Magruder

The question is, who is Nixon?

MM
if youre going to assign certain individuals to the donglegate...
only fair to use the proper screen name for all, not just for some
:D:

Mood Asshat = Howard Dean.
Charles Hill, ChickenWafer and Easy_E1 = The Plumbers.
vIce^gRip = Magruder

The question is, who is Nixon?
So does this make me a good or bad guy? Are you saying that I turned on my leader Cam? Or are you saying that I am a willing participant in the Donglegate coverup? LOL, I guess either way Silence and secrecy is the best option! IT WAS THE MARTIANS THAT ALTERED THE DONGLES!:cylonA:

"I am not a crook! And I say...burn the tapes.":Peace:

No, just one, giant, all-encompassing one.

You'd never be able to tell from your Avitars!

More like Asshat= Howard Hughes

Cleoent, for passing "Go" you get $200.

yay! :rock:

More like Asshat= Howard Hughes

How so? You live secluded on the top floor of a building, mumbling to yourself, ungroomed, never cutting your finger and toenails and collecting your own feces and urine in jars?

MM
if youre going to assign certain individuals to the donglegate...
only fair to use the proper screen name for all, not just for some
:D:

Nah.

Na, I dont suffer from syphylls, Id say im a little nuts but not to the extreme of collecting excraments and not cutting my nails but I have been known not to shave for long periods. Instead of planes I prefer cars. I like building things that no one ever has, that kinda thing. As for Howard Dean, I dont get involved in politics.

It wasn't syphilis, he was autistic. Nice way to diminish a common handicap of those with gifted minds.

Ow, I thought he died from syphilis and had OCD, im probly wrong.

He was a drug addict. He died from kidney failure. He was OCD, but it was related to autism.

shinka = Ida Maxine Wells
Bastage = H.R. Haldeman
Who is going to be John Ehrlichman?

He was a drug addict. He died from kidney failure. He was OCD, but it was related to autism.

The drugs he took kept him out of pain from a plane crash, as a test pilot where he had 82% of his body burned, so that attributed to his kiddny failer. He had syfilis for over 30 years but I was wrong he didnt die of it. He did not have autisim.

He died in his jet flying to Texas from mexio to get to his hospital where they had several kidney machines that he developed.

I got to go check some pipes,,, something is backing up in here and it don't smell good.

Did you flush?

Moon - You need to step away from the Wiki. You have a lot of that completely wrong.

So does this make me a good or bad guy?
IT WAS THE MARTIANS THAT ALTERED THE DONGLES!:cylonA:

I'll always love ya like a brother

His OCD deloped when the doctors told him he might die from germs from the burns in the crash. He was close to 35 or there abouts when it happened. Dude, im on the phone with a buddy of mine who was one of the leading experts on the guy. I corrected what I said was wrong.

When the surprime court ordered him to sell trans world airlines, he sold it all in one day almost causing the stock market to crash. The largest sale to date of one stock.

Dude, im on the phone with a buddy of mine who was one of the leading experts on the guy. I corrected what I said was wrong.

You are on the phone with a buddy who just got done watching "The Aviator".

Jeff, you have to implicate yourself with something and you can't just throw labels around! So who are you?

mm=hugh hefner jr

gotta love the avatars!!!

Well, heres one that wasnt in aviator wich you probly dont now, Preston Tucker bought one of Howard Hughs factorys on 95th and crawfard in chicago were they used to make planes for the military during WW2. Anyway the movie "The Aviator" was more then 50% fiction. He was in his 90s when he died.

I've just gotten the scoop on the tuning situation right from the source, so it is no longer a mystery to me. Out of respect for what Cam has relayed through vIce^gRip (and for the parties in question) I won't discuss it here, but at least I now know the "pedigree" of what was in Phil's dongle (that sounds really bad).

Phil - if you have any time on Monday the 17th of September, I'm going to be in Vegas and would like to take a peek inside your Int-X tuning and see if I can tighten it up a bit more.

Tough to get a post in here with you guys playing with your dongles. You all have it wrong Howard Hughes still lives. He currently resides in the tunnel between the old DI (now Wynn) and the New Frontier (soon to disappear) and goes by the name of Steve Wynn.

Jeff: Yes I will have time on Monday the 17th - you have the number just call me when your ready and I'll be there.

mm=hugh hefner jr

gotta love the avatars!!!

more like Larry Flynt :D:

more like Larry Flynt :D:

I like that!

No, I already claimed G. Gordon Liddy.
ChickenWafer just wasn't paying attention. Post #227.

I like that!

No, I already claimed G. Gordon Liddy.
ChickenWafer just wasn't paying attention. Post #227.

:)

I will throw this last non-sequitur in here -
I was thinking about this Donglegate game and it really does play out the way the characters have been named. Its spooky.
The only one that disturbs me though is that, for it to work as its been laid out, Cam needs to be Nixon and that would be a dubious distinction.

P.S. - I watched "Johnny Dangerously" last night on NetFlix streaming for about the 20th time in my life.

P.S. - I watched "Johnny Dangerously" last night on NetFlix streaming for about the 20th time in my life.

You're catching up to me...

Why you miserable cork-sucker!

New product from pettit, it makes you think your going faster, LOL.

Better pictures of my modified intake and RB ram air connection. See my previous posts 94, 99 and 112 for reference.

Better pictures of my modified intake and RB ram air connection. See my previous posts 94, 99 and 112 for reference.

Looks good, I'll eventually get this setup

Only here could we go from talking about super chargers to Howard Hughes.

I love it.