View Full Version : Don't hit trees!


canzoomer
09-22-2003, 10:55 PM
BMW at 210KMH+ and a tree.
Tree won.

canzoomer
09-22-2003, 10:56 PM
More tree action

canzoomer
09-22-2003, 10:56 PM
last one

Mockngbrd
09-22-2003, 11:24 PM
that's a strong treee......
guess no one survived?

khoney
09-23-2003, 12:17 AM
Newton strikes again...

vipeRX7
09-23-2003, 12:52 AM
yikes! I'm surprised the bmw didn't fare better ...

Wing
09-23-2003, 07:15 AM
?? Where is the rest of the car? There just seems to be so many people non-shalanty looking around, seems like a "display" of some sort.

Like one of those drunk driving messages.

English
09-23-2003, 07:19 AM
yeah, where's the fire-rescue guys, and the cops.....Get those civilians out of the crime scene......But by all means, allow the press access!!!!

Edo
09-23-2003, 08:08 AM
I could be wrong, but I think that is a Ford Escort...

eccles
09-23-2003, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by Edo
I could be wrong, but I think that is a Ford Escort... I could be wrong, but I think it's either a photochop or a static road safety display. The spectators are far too relaxed for it to be a fresh accident, and there's no sign of any emergency services having worked on the car if it's the aftermath. Furthermore, the angles that everyone is looking in the first pic make me lean towards it being a fake.

Canzoomer: can you provide any more information or cite your source?

silver8
09-23-2003, 08:33 AM
"The car manufacturer was happy to report how well the left front door resisted deformation."

Good Duck
09-23-2003, 08:49 AM
The ground around tree looks remarkably undisturbed. The tree itself didn't seems to suffer any damage. I think it's a display or setup.

canzoomer
09-23-2003, 09:55 AM
A freind of mine forwarded the pics from a German press site, or at least that is what he says. I will ask him to tell me more.

It IS a fairly fresh crash, as witnessed by the freshly scraped tree bark.
Apparently the accident happened at night, and this was the scene a few days later. By then the rest of the parts that are not wrapped around the tree had been removed.

That is all I know for now.

Boy, you guys are a tough crowd. I just thought it was a neat set of pics..

mikeb
09-23-2003, 02:00 PM
canzoomer
you know its a tough crowd
crazy pics

Irish_in_a_RX8
09-23-2003, 02:19 PM
Looks like an exibition from some art student if..esp as these folk seem to be in college/high school

P00Man
09-23-2003, 02:44 PM
jesus christ...
thats really wrapped around the tree
trees are incredibly strong, wood is like natural steel, the compression and expansion properties are nearly identical in bearing loads, ratio wise


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Zio
09-23-2003, 02:48 PM
really shows how someone can "wrap their car around a tree".

8_wannabe
09-23-2003, 03:00 PM
First comment: I wouldn't say Newton strikes but rather Darwin strikes again (as in, natural selection; those unsuited to procreate will destroy themselves before adapting to their environment.)

It is a cool pic, but probably fake.

What's wrong with this picture?

Little damage to the tree. No debris from tree or wreckage seen in vicinity.

Accident didn't recently happen (i.e., not smoking, etc.) Seems like rescue workers would have disengaged car from tree while on scene.

No sign of fire or high heat to tree or car.

Maybe this is a lens problem or something, but in second photo looks like a guy wire is stringing left door to to right rear bumper.

Unlikely that the kinetic forces would allow the car to "wrap" in this way. Certainly it's a long shot, and may well be a physical impossibility.

Just my opinion; I think it's art designed to deter reckless (or wreckless) driving. :)

RX8Lover
09-23-2003, 03:36 PM
with the amount of force that the car looks to have to appear this wrecked, the tree would most definitely (in the least) bent over a little. It is in no way a big tree trunk, and it seems highly unlikely that this could have happened.

Crazyfool
09-23-2003, 05:12 PM
for those wondering where the rest of the car was, it is about 50 yeards or so away. theese pics plus some were on the rx7 forum.

canzoomer
09-23-2003, 07:12 PM
Sob..

eccles
09-23-2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by canzoomer
Sob.. Some might see that as a mercy killing. :p

M-ster
09-23-2003, 08:04 PM
Either it's fake or for real, don't try it at home. Never fight mother nature!

mikeb
09-23-2003, 08:25 PM
so true m-ster

spdspappy
09-23-2003, 08:57 PM
Just remember the rule...

If you have the choice between hitting a big tree or a pole, ALWAYS choose the pole...

canzoomer
09-23-2003, 09:55 PM
Why?

I guess maybe poles do not have as deep a set of roots..
And they are dead wood..

Any other reason?

TJRX8
09-23-2003, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Edo
I could be wrong, but I think that is a Ford Escort...

318Ti ?

canzoomer
09-23-2003, 10:33 PM
I think it is a 318i ( not ti)

See this pic:

http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/photos/index.cfm/id/2116/img/96602091990307

Compare the door, trim, mirror, etc..
Mighty close.

Mockngbrd
09-23-2003, 11:40 PM
dun BMWs hav 5 lug nuts (screws) on the rims? this car has 4 only....

mikeb
09-24-2003, 01:42 AM
whatever it is, it is totaled

eccles
09-24-2003, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by canzoomer
Why?

I guess maybe poles do not have as deep a set of roots..
And they are dead wood..

Any other reason? Most manmade roadside objects are designed to break off or deform in an impact. Mother Nature doesn't include that design feature in her own roadside obstacles.

Edo
09-24-2003, 07:42 AM
It is not a 318, it is a Ford Escort. Look at the fuel filler - BMW's have a door, not a crappy back plug in cap.

rotary-tt
09-24-2003, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by spdspappy
Just remember the rule...

If you have the choice between hitting a big tree or a pole, ALWAYS choose the pole...

Neither is good. I've witnessed in person a person who hit a pole 60+ mph. The car bent up and the underbody was resting on the street. Driver died and the others helicoptered out - don't know what happened to them.

If at all possible, avoid stationary objects which don't give:eek:

kennyboy1215
09-25-2003, 11:04 AM
it is an escort..the BM wouldn't have looked so good;)

Spin9k
09-25-2003, 11:53 AM
End of story from RX7Forum:

Finally found the story of what actually happened:

quote:
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Here's a scary one: Jenny Pincent's Ford Escort was literally torn in half when she lost control at 100mph on a wet road and slammed into a tree. The front of the car ended up 30 yards from the rear, and Jenny was somewhere in between. She wasn't wearing a seatbelt, and was thrown clear of the car upon impact, emerging from the wreckage with only minor injuries.
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few more shots:

Spin9k
09-25-2003, 11:54 AM
more

Spin9k
09-25-2003, 11:54 AM
the car is dead but say a few words anyhou 'cause this was one lucky kid! (if you believe the story... which is hard, I must say!)

RX-GR8
09-25-2003, 01:51 PM
it looks staged and people are walking aorund it like its some sort of exhibition. if she was ejected through the windshield at 100 MPH the head trauma would be enormous. i dont see how anyone could survive. if she was thrown out through one of the doors and survived that would be hard to believe too.

350 Formula
09-25-2003, 02:55 PM
Not me, but one of my best friends saw someone emerge from a wreck like this.

They were driving a mustang and speeding. Lost control and hit a wooden light pole. Cut the car in half. Driver staggerd away with minor injuries. Being DRUNK probably saved his life (in addition to probably being the cause of the accident).

mikeb
09-25-2003, 03:00 PM
how does being drunk help

med_mx6
09-25-2003, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by mikeb
how does being drunk help
good question...

maybe this goes toward the argument that sometimes efforts to avoid an object only makes the chance of hitting it even better...

personally the story seems incredible (uncredible?). i don' t understand how that tree show hardly any damage. it kinda looks like the escort was fired out of a cannon toward the tree. and the driver didn't sustained any head trauma... maybe jenny was wearing full body protection and a helmet?

eccles
09-25-2003, 03:45 PM
100mph, in the wet, in an Escort, with no seatbelt. It's almost a shame that she didn't succeed in removing herself from the gene pool.

mikeb
09-25-2003, 08:12 PM
ouch

canzoomer
09-26-2003, 12:06 AM
Head trauma perhaps, but it looks like the car was cut in half by the tree behind the drivers seat.

What puzzles me is how she would have survived the G forces.
The rest of the car is only about 10 meters away.

If she slowed down that fast from 100mph, she would have pulled about 30+ G's

OTOH, maybe she travelled further. I wonder where she landed?

RobDickinson
09-26-2003, 04:34 AM
She would have pulled a LOT more than 30G's , we can survive huge (1000+) G's for very short periods (fractions of seconds).

I still dont buy it tho, tree wouldnt have stood up to ton and a half of escort @ 100mph, plus the front would land further away etc.

Even being flung clear, at 100mph , without any protection, the girl would have been in serious trouble, not many bikers survive 100mph offs on normal roads with armour.

demonfire
09-26-2003, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by RobDickinson


I still dont buy it tho, tree wouldnt have stood up to ton and a half of escort @ 100mph, plus the front would land further away etc.


correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't metal behave almost like a liquid under such forces, whereas the static tree has incredible resistance to such forces?

j1mb0x99
09-26-2003, 09:05 AM
It is hard to believe, but the human body can do surprising things. You could fall off of a 10 foot ladder, land wrong and die. Yet people have had malfunctioned parachutes skydiving and still survive.

-JiM

Elara
09-26-2003, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by mikeb
how does being drunk help

Being drunk helps because it can keep the person involved limp and not tensed up. Sometimes injuries in crashes happen because people automatically tense up and/or brace themselves on things like steering wheels or seats, which can lead to worse injuries. At least, that is my understanding. But then, the drunk peson would have been less likely to have an accident anyway if they were sober, so it more than evens out in the end.

canzoomer
09-26-2003, 01:21 PM
Well, maybe the tree should have bent, but what about THIS one??

mikeb
09-26-2003, 02:52 PM
thanks elara

canzoomer
09-26-2003, 04:06 PM
These are some ideas I was toying with for painting my RX-8

Anybody good with Photoshop around here??

LMBLF8
09-26-2003, 05:47 PM
whether that was real or not...still pretty serious. if its real...amazing how the driver only left with minor injuries

mikeb
09-26-2003, 06:59 PM
canzoomer someone posted that awhile ago

canzoomer
09-26-2003, 09:49 PM
Indeed. I was hoping somebody with Photoshop and skills might take a crack at something similar on an RX-8..
It will not be me, as my artistic skills are virtually nil..

I was just thinking that the RX-8, with all the curves, and that V shape on the hood, would be a natural for something along these lines..

I can picture it in my mond, but can not execute it..

doccable
03-20-2004, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by spdspappy
Just remember the rule...

If you have the choice between hitting a big tree or a pole, ALWAYS choose the pole...

I stumbled into this thread by chance... but - poles, (wooden), are generally planted about four feet in the ground. I have seen a number of poles that have suffered impacts from various vehicles at various speeds. It all really depends on the age of the pole, the angle of impact, speed, etc. As to whether or not it breaks off. I don't have any pix of the last incident that I had to investigate, I wish I did. It was amazing to see that the guy walked away after an approximate 100 MPH head-on impact with not only a pole, but a large equipment cabinet. According to witnesses, right after he hit, he got out of what was left of his truck, walking away from it - sobbing. The police caught up to him a half-mile away from the scene.
He's currently serving his time in the state pen... (2nd DUI in two years).

JeupRX-8
03-21-2004, 02:55 PM
That is a early 90's Ford escort. I saw this on a BMW board, and it was debated forever.


Troy J.

Baller
03-21-2004, 03:40 PM
8.....ouch

Formula 420
03-21-2004, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Baller
8.....ouch
tears.......
wellling.......
up.......

canzoomer
03-23-2004, 01:32 AM
Here's a guy who totally did the deed in an Audi:
http://forums.audiworld.com/other/msgs/2478782.phtml

Pretty impressive. He dented the rear bumper badly AFTER the car was split in two!

hotpot
03-23-2004, 07:27 AM
Holy smoke!
Are the white sheets covering up the corpse bits?

skuzbucket
03-23-2004, 12:35 PM
yes - it is staged - about 8 years old...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bmw+wrapped+around+tree

pmacwill
03-23-2004, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by skuzbucket
yes - it is staged - about 8 years old...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bmw+wrapped+around+tree

what a worthless link. what am I supposed to click on to verify that it is fake.

crumpmd
03-23-2004, 01:16 PM
For you who think that a human can't walk away from a crash that tears the car in two, and you who thinks it must be staged because the tree was not snapped in two, and to you who thinks the human body can withstand 1000g............
I have seen people survive an apparently unsurvivable crash, not survive a minor crash that did not even break a bone or cut the skin. And I have reviewed the human g tolerance. It is incredible how many g a human can tolerate when applied to them, but 1000g will kill a human. 100g will kill a human pretty much every time. I am talking about deceleration injury where g is how fast the body slows down.
The month after Princess Diana died in a car crash I had to see a car crash injury in the ER. A drunk on Sunday morning crashed into trees lining the road. He was brought from the scene just 2 miles from the hospital and I saw him less than fifteen minutes from the crash. He had a torn pulmonary artery, same as Diana, but was a 65 year old drunk. Well I saved him that day and he stayed in the hospital nearly a month and died in rehab from a heart attack a week after discharge. Go figure.

JSE RX-8
03-23-2004, 05:21 PM
damn thats a crazy pic

Rotarian_SC
03-23-2004, 06:05 PM
First of all most of the properties of evolution stop functioning when a species begins to manipulate its environment.

Second there was some report about an accident that was sort of similar out in the midwest in the US. There was a guy in a Jeep who crashed into something without his seatbelt on. He went flying through the cloth top but managed to catch himself on a power line! Yes a power line. I don't have any pics, just remember seeing it on the news.