"Not that a regular Mustang would have faired all that much better, but the experience still left us yearning for something (anything) more refined. A Mazda RX-8, perhaps? A BMW 328i? Not only are those two infinitely better to drive, but they’re also cheaper than a Shelby GT. "
Click Me (http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/12692/first-drive-2007-ford-shelby-gt.html)

some people are narrow minded. (i.e domestic car makers.)

i.e. RX-8 owners

btw, a friend from NJ came to visit me last weekend. He rented the Shelby GT-H.

I then let him drive my turbocharge RX-8. He said my car felt like it had more power than the Shelby, and this coming from a hard core mustang fan.

I drove both - so if mine dynos at 275 whp, the shelby felt like it was about 240 whp. Not sure if it's the weight difference or the slushbox that hurt it most.

The article doesn't say the setup sucks, it says that Ford is smoking crack (or more like the people who buy the car) for charging that much for just adding the Shelby name on top of "off-the-shelf" parts available from Ford Racing. No arguments there. Some people are stupid enough to pay it for the name.... but I sure as hell wouldn't. Just pick up a regular GT with the CS (California Special) package... same bumper, hood scoop (different) and side scoops... spoiler delete... and then hit the Ford Racing site and order the parts... it even lists all the ones used on the Shelby GT and the part numbers. If you want to be a poser... you can get some racing stripes and even get the official Shelby lettering from Shelby's site. And pocket the change... or spend it on more parts like bigger brakes, bushings and a supercharger...

The article isn't saying so much that the car is horrible... it's like I said... for what you are paying you expect more. That's not the car's fault... that's Ford for pricing it like that and the dumb babyboomers who are more than happy to pay it to have a "Shelby". :rolleyes:

Get a GT and mod it. It won't say Shelby on it, but your pocket will love it and the supercharger you can buy with the change will make it seem like a much better deal.


btw, a friend from NJ came to visit me last weekend. He rented the Shelby GT-H.

I then let him drive my turbocharge RX-8. He said my car felt like it had more power than the Shelby, and this coming from a hard core mustang fan.

I drove both - so if mine dynos at 275 whp, the shelby felt like it was about 240 whp. Not sure if it's the weight difference or the slushbox that hurt it most.


I'd say weight. At least GM slushboxes are so good now that Vettes and GTO's with AT get better 1/4mi times than MT...

I'd say weight. At least GM slushboxes are so good now that Vettes and GTO's with AT get better 1/4mi times than MT...

The real reason is that you have to shift before 60 (at least that was the case w/the MT GTO).

Nevermind: misred.....

Every Shelby goes from Ford to Shelby's place in Vegas to have the Shelby bits added. then on to the dealership.

I'd say weight. At least GM slushboxes are so good now that Vettes and GTO's with AT get better 1/4mi times than MT...Could be the RX-8's sick first gear and final drive too. That 4.44 gear ratio with some power behind it feels retarded fast.

Every Shelby goes from Ford to Shelby's place in Vegas to have the Shelby bits added. then on to the dealership.

And? they don't do anything special other than add the numbered and signed plaque to the car. :boring: The few mods can be done anywhere or even yourself. Having Shelby install them adds 0 value other than cost.

no it doesnt add 0 value. thats what adds all the value- Its done at Shelby by Carrol's people.

Since Ford has gotten rid of the SVT section of the company that brought things such as the lightning and the terminator Cobra, this is what ford is doing to trying to cover that portion of the market. The car is basically a repackaged GT with a few extra parts on and they jacked the price up. I doubt it will be a big seller as anyone with a brain would pay a little more for the GT-500, Saleen, Roush, or Steeda. It was a mistake to get rid of the SVT branch of ford and I wouldnt be suprised to see more repackaged junk like this from ford.

no it doesnt add 0 value. thats what adds all the value- Its done at Shelby by Carrol's people.

it adds yuppie value. That's worth 0 in my book and in 15 or so years it may prove to add little to the value of the car as well (which is what some yuppie collectors hope for when they over pay for one of these... collector value).

You can get a Shelby CS6 package for a V6 Mustang... it comes with a plaque and Shelby lettering too. :cwm27:

Since Ford has gotten rid of the SVT section of the company that brought things such as the lightning and the terminator Cobra, this is what ford is doing to trying to cover that portion of the market. The car is basically a repackaged GT with a few extra parts on and they jacked the price up. I doubt it will be a big seller as anyone with a brain would pay a little more for the GT-500, Saleen, Roush, or Steeda. It was a mistake to get rid of the SVT branch of ford and I wouldnt be suprised to see more repackaged junk like this from ford.


+1

The Shelby GT exists because there is a sub-section of the market that has more money than brains. Anyone willing to spend over $40K for a Mustang GT with some bolt-on parts is crazy.

I like the Mustang (hell, that's why I own one), but they are a $30K car at best. The GT500 is a $40K car at best.

Can't fault the dealers or Ford for taking advantage of a profit opportunity on a car when they can.....especially right now.

My thoughts exactly Bryan. Can't blame Ford and the dealers if so many fools are willing to pay $70k for a marked up GT500... same for the Shelby GT. Not bad cars per se, but not at that price.

My thoughts exactly Bryan. Can't blame Ford and the dealers if so many fools are willing to pay $70k for a marked up GT500... same for the Shelby GT. Not bad cars per se, but not at that price.


This is off topic....but American LeMans Series is coming to Detoit (Detroit Belle Isle Grand Prix) on Sept 1st......you goin?

My friend has a GT500, and i drove it last week, it handled really well to my surprise, and in a straight line when you hear that supercharger scream, wow. He just order the Shelby GT and when it arrives I'll take it out for a spin and let you know what I think.

Exactly, it all comes down to the name. And with many loyal enthusiasts to the mustang and shelby name, ford would have to be completely stupid not to target the market just below those able to afford the gt500. But I agree with anyone else, the money could be better spent.

If you could find a GT500 at a reasonable price you would be stupid not to buy it, it runs the same times as a C6 vette plus, the engines is forged, and just the typical bolt ons will have you owning alot of things. yea its not goin to handle as while as a vette, but most Americas in the sports car world, just care about whos faster in a straight line, at least in TX, and the gt500 with bolt ons will own anything in that price range with bolt ons in a straight line. Don't get me wrong i love the vettes but, forged ford engines can handle so much power.

If you could find a GT500 at a reasonable price you would be stupid not to buy it, it runs the same times as a C6 vette plus, the engines is forged, and just the typical bolt ons will have you owning alot of things. yea its not goin to handle as while as a vette, but most Americas in the sports car world, just care about whos faster in a straight line, at least in TX, and the gt500 with bolt ons will own anything in that price range with bolt ons in a straight line. Don't get me wrong i love the vettes but, forged ford engines can handle so much power.

Exactly, the car runs freakin 10's with an intake, exhaust, and tune.

^^^ too bad thats all that it does =/

Exactly, the car runs freakin 10's with an intake, exhaust, and tune.


9's when you also add a smaller pulley and drag slicks

http://www.evoperform.com/videos.htm

I'd rather have a rousch, supercharged plus tons of suspension work added.

^^^ too bad thats all that it does =/
Well, itll sure walk an RX8 stoplight to stoplight...

And sure, the RX8 would beat it in a heated race around the local grocery store parking lot :rolleyes:

Well, itll sure walk an RX8 stoplight to stoplight...

And sure, the RX8 would beat it in a heated race around the local grocery store parking lot :rolleyes:
i would have to watch out racing in a parking lot, i might run in to one of the billions of mustangs there ;)

oh snap!

comparing the agile rx-8 to a HP factory shelby?! I'm really curious as how on earth the 8 even got it's name mentioned at all in a review of a shelby GT. apples to oranges, really.

Yes, it's like comparing two fruit.

different fruits, mind you.

If you could find a GT500 at a reasonable price you would be stupid not to buy it, it runs the same times as a C6 vette plus, the engines is forged, and just the typical bolt ons will have you owning alot of things. yea its not goin to handle as while as a vette, but most Americas in the sports car world, just care about whos faster in a straight line, at least in TX, and the gt500 with bolt ons will own anything in that price range with bolt ons in a straight line. Don't get me wrong i love the vettes but, forged ford engines can handle so much power.

Yeah, that's why many of the guys serious about drag racing their mustang put a Chevy engine in it :rollingla Ford V8s are a joke compared to Chevy V8s, and it has been that way for a looong time.

Yep the Shelby is a bog rip off.

You can do much better with bolt ons.

Or better yet go for a Cobra.

You got 50k?

What a joke, 50k for Cobra, sure..... it's a great car but 50k?

some serious misinformation here...

1st. If you're going to buy an expensive mustang, go ROUSH - you still get the factory warranty, you can order from any ford dealership, and you won't just get engine mods like the shelby GT/GT-H/GT500... you actually get handling bits - Hell, a Roush Stage 3 is eye to eye with a M3 CSL for M3 money.

2nd. The S197 platform (05-present mustangs) is an incredible one, simple mods will liven it up - the mustang always has and always will be a platform to modify, where-as we - with our rotary engines, can only add forced induction for large horsepower gains, things like head swaps, porting, exhaust, chips, etc are netting huge hp gains, where-as we get... next to nothing.

3rd. The mustang appeals to drag-racers for the same reason our cars attract ricers, they have exactly what we want - a mustang owner sees a blank slate with a powerful V8, a stiff chassis, huge fender wells and restrictive exhaust, american badge... and he knows that it will be an ideal car suitable for massive forced induction, an auto swap and giant meats on the back!

4th. svt never died, the staff and product selection was reduced from the bean-counters, I have friend's family who still work there, and they are developing new vehicles (new svt truck is in the works, btw... I guess the new lightning?)

5th. street-racing is stupid, who cares what will win light-to-light, more importantly - if you wanted something fast, why in the hellllllll did you buy an RX-8

and 6th.. probably the most ignorant statement so far:

Yeah, that's why many of the guys serious about drag racing their mustang put a Chevy engine in it :rollingla Ford V8s are a joke compared to Chevy V8s, and it has been that way for a looong time.

Purely idiotic.
It's all preference and availability, ford has always made the better engine. More reliable, capable of more power, capable of cheaper power, the 302 is smaller than any engine in the LS-series, weighs less, and is several thousand cheap to buy and make go fast. On top of that, ford is the only american company to put any sort of technology in their engines, Chysler/Dodge and Chevrolet are still putting pushrod engines in their trucks and sports cars... while ford is putting 32V forced-induction, variable intake, variable valve, and variable cam engines in their products.

Want to argue about it? Don't bother unless you can tell me the points of weakness on a LS1.

And just for you,bud...
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5382/rsx3025yw0.jpg
A ford 302 with forced induction in a 1968 camaro.

Why did he do it? Simple, it was a cheaper and more reliable alternative to produce the same amount of horsepower, and because of the 302's physical size, he was able to mount the enginer further back, giving the car better weight distribution.

kthx

Yeah, that's why many of the guys serious about drag racing their mustang put a Chevy engine in it :rollingla Ford V8s are a joke compared to Chevy V8s, and it has been that way for a looong time.

Get bent buddy. That's gotta be the dumbest post I've ever read about anything. You have no idea what you're talking about. Many of the guys you claim serious about drag racing do not swap other engines into their cars. You're trying to get into an argument that's been going on since the big 3 started racing back in the old days. You're right about the fords v8's being a joke because the old cobras dinky 4.6 with a blower can walk on a z06 7L with the swap of a pully :icon_no2: . You're so dumb.

stock ford v8's are a joke. they are weak compared to a stock LS1. name an engine from ford that is ALL 4: cheaper, lighter, smaller and more powerful than an LS1. if you do find one, let me know, cause i'd like to put this phantom engine in my ranger.

and a terminator 4.6 walking an LS7? wtf....a cobra has to make at least 580 hp to match the z06's power/weight. one pulley can put a 390 hp to 580? :rock: that's a badass pulley!

....and a terminator 4.6 walking an LS7? wtf....a cobra has to make at least 580 hp to match the z06's power/weight. one pulley can put a 390 hp to 580? :rock: that's a badass pulley!


A pulley, larger injectors and a tune......definitely possible.....and cheap.

Get bent buddy. That's gotta be the dumbest post I've ever read about anything. You have no idea what you're talking about. Many of the guys you claim serious about drag racing do not swap other engines into their cars. You're trying to get into an argument that's been going on since the big 3 started racing back in the old days. You're right about the fords v8's being a joke because the old cobras dinky 4.6 with a blower can walk on a z06 7L with the swap of a pully :icon_no2: . You're so dumb.

I was unaware there were Ford fanbois in our midst... Yes, the debate has been going on for years and Ford has been getting whooped by those no technology having Chevy V8s for years. :evil_laug This is along the lines of what most of the Ford car guys have said to me when I've asked them why they were running a Chevy or Mopar engine in a Ford car, 'If you want to go fast and spend less money you run a Chevy, if you want to go slower and spend more money you run a Ford V8.

We're not talking about guys out there running 10-12 second 1/4 miles with their modded Stangs and Camaros, we're talking the 6-8 second guys with dedicated drag cars. Go to the top classes and Chrysler dominates...

Take a look at NHRA entry lists for all classes, maybe around 5% of the cars are Ford powered and very rarely does Ford take a class win. Then ask John Force why he doesn't run a Ford Engine is his top fuel FORD MUSTANG.

This is off topic....but American LeMans Series is coming to Detoit (Detroit Belle Isle Grand Prix) on Sept 1st......you goin?


no way!! Sounds like something to definitely do!


Off topic... debating what mods to do to the car can be quite a pain... well when you have a budget to consider...

Then ask John Force why he doesn't run a Ford Engine is his top fuel FORD MUSTANG.

I'm sure he's running a completely aftermarket aluminum engine based on the 426 Hemi like the other 99% of funny car racers.

BTW, what year did Chrysler put a 800+ cubic inch V8 with 7,000 hp into their cars & trucks?

The engine for Top Fuel stopped being a Ford, GM and Chrysler product a long while a ago......the aftermarket engine builders now run the show.

I was unaware there were Ford fanbois in our midst... Yes, the debate has been going on for years and Ford has been getting whooped by those no technology having Chevy V8s for years. :evil_laug This is along the lines of what most of the Ford car guys have said to me when I've asked them why they were running a Chevy or Mopar engine in a Ford car, 'If you want to go fast and spend less money you run a Chevy, if you want to go slower and spend more money you run a Ford V8.

We're not talking about guys out there running 10-12 second 1/4 miles with their modded Stangs and Camaros, we're talking the 6-8 second guys with dedicated drag cars. Go to the top classes and Chrysler dominates...

Take a look at NHRA entry lists for all classes, maybe around 5% of the cars are Ford powered and very rarely does Ford take a class win. Then ask John Force why he doesn't run a Ford Engine is his top fuel FORD MUSTANG.

You are making some of the most uneducated posts on this entire forum thus far, I'd explain to you why but you probably wouldn't understand :(

In the meantime, here's the rest of us: :lol:

"it adds yuppie value. That's worth 0 in my book"
A posted previously, the value is that Carrols people do the mods. Regardless of your perceived value of your mechanical skills, I'm betting Shelbys folks are pretty good at bolting parts onto Mustangs. That said, like most designer names (cars, clothes, boats, etc), the buyer pays extra for label or nameplate. Sure seems like a boatload of cash for the Shelby nameplate tho.
"American LeMans Series is coming to Detoit"
They put on a great show at Road America last year. I've got my tickets for the August race already. I don't understand why the series is not more popular.

"American LeMans Series is coming to Detoit"
They put on a great show at Road America last year. I've got my tickets for the August race already. I don't understand why the series is not more popular.

Me either.....I love watching it on tv and I'm sure it's 10X better to watch live. It's not the first Detroit Grand Prix....but Belle Isle was completely overhauled for this seasons race which should make the experience much better than in the past.

My dad went to the Detroit Grand Prix many years ago when they still ran the race in the city. I bet that was awesome to see.

Can't wait for Sept 1.

"it adds yuppie value. That's worth 0 in my book"
A posted previously, the value is that Carrols people do the mods. Regardless of your perceived value of your mechanical skills, I'm betting Shelbys folks are pretty good at bolting parts onto Mustangs. That said, like most designer names (cars, clothes, boats, etc), the buyer pays extra for label or nameplate. Sure seems like a boatload of cash for the Shelby nameplate tho.


Uh, right. :rolleyes:

There is no added value to that other than name. They are BOLT ON mods. Shelby didn't make or modify any of them. They are off-the-shelf package parts you can get from Ford Racing and even have your dealer install them. Installing them is something any competant mechanic can do.

You are making some of the most uneducated posts on this entire forum thus far, I'd explain to you why but you probably wouldn't understand :(

In the meantime, here's the rest of us: :lol:

Let me guess... You're a former Mustang (maybe current) owner a Ford fanboi. You've spent enough time on your chest puffing "I piss on Chevys" Mustang boards to actually believe they're superior cars with superior engines. Chevy and their V8s have destroyed Ford and their V8s & Mustangs stock for stock and mod for mod for decades. I'm sure I and 90+% of the guys that race in the NHRA in ALL classes are wrong, and you are right :hahano:

Let me guess... You're a former Mustang (maybe current) owner a Ford fanboi. You've spent enough time on your chest puffing "I piss on Chevys" Mustang boards to actually believe they're superior cars with superior engines. Chevy and their V8s have destroyed Ford and their V8s & Mustangs stock for stock and mod for mod for decades. I'm sure I and 90+% of the guys that race in the NHRA in ALL classes are wrong, and you are right :hahano:

riiight
actually, I was a chevy owner, then bought a mustang and found out it's possible to have a car that actually runs... then last weekend I bought an rx8 - cheers!

You're assumptions and stereotyping have ruined any and all of your credibility, next time back up some of your posts with some formative information. Until then, you're doing nothing but pissing on your keyboard with key after key of worthless trolling.

I'm sure you have heard of the "mighty z06" - GM's flagship vehicle, they have put over 40 years into the corvette's development - and it payed off with a 500HP motor in a roughly 3000lb chassis. It's fast, but GM's beancounters found a way of taking a $40,000 car, putting a $14,000 engine in it and marketed it as a $70,000 car - now, keep all this information about 40 years of research and development in mind... now Ford comes out with their flagship, the GT, and pisses all over the bowtie parade with a car that lacks the cheap plastics, the uncomfortable seats, and the clusterfudge that is the 6MT in the Z06 - a car worth every penny.

In addition to that, the new "super corvette" that is coming out took a page from the Ford book and is adding boost - an engine larger than the 427ci LS7, perhaps? Nope - the LS7 is a good engine, but chevrolet has noted that they have reached the limit of displacement bumps and realized that to make more power they were going to have to add something else, supercharging. The modular has been accepting boost in the 2000whp levels since forced induction was introduced to it, it's a sturdy block. On the bowtie field, the 427ci LS7 pays a huge price - it's cylinder walls are so paper-thin that anything considered obtainable by a supercharger is out of the question. They have brought the displacement for the supervette down to 6.2L.

And at a pricetag of roughly $100K, it's still going to contain the same cheap plastics, uncomfortable seats, and general red-neckery of the current z06.

Cheers, bud.

Get bent buddy. That's gotta be the dumbest post I've ever read about anything. You have no idea what you're talking about. Many of the guys you claim serious about drag racing do not swap other engines into their cars. You're trying to get into an argument that's been going on since the big 3 started racing back in the old days. You're right about the fords v8's being a joke because the old cobras dinky 4.6 with a blower can walk on a z06 7L with the swap of a pully :icon_no2: . You're so dumb.

My friend has an 03 cobra, with pulley tune full exhaust, intake, pretty much everything except a new blower, and he got raped by a stock Z06 the other day. it wasnt even close and my friend is a great driver. we had like a 3 car head start and where at about 60mph and that thing cough us and passed us with in 10sec top.

My friend has an 03 cobra, with pulley tune full exhaust, intake, pretty much everything except a new blower, and he got raped by a stock Z06 the other day. it wasnt even close and my friend is a great driver. we had like a 3 car head start and where at about 60mph and that thing cough us and passed us with in 10sec top.
Lol, it wasnt THAT bad. Guy was about 3 cars behind us coming up FAST, so I down shifted and hit it. He has a whopping advantage as he was already moving and in the proper gear, and then passed us (as expected) somewhat slowly.

Moral of the story- Bolt on terminators are quick, but a new z-0h will beat a bpu termy. Now a whipple/kenne bill termy will out do them for sure from a roll, but go from a dig and those delicate halfshafts will take a dump.

Lol, it wasnt THAT bad. Guy was about 3 cars behind us coming up FAST, so I down shifted and hit it. He has a whopping advantage as he was already moving and in the proper gear, and then passed us (as expected) somewhat slowly.

Moral of the story- Bolt on terminators are quick, but a new z-0h will beat a bpu termy. Now a whipple/kenne bill termy will out do them for sure from a roll, but go from a dig and those delicate halfshafts will take a dump.

Wow, did someone just admit that the Z06 was fast.
lol

riiight
actually, I was a chevy owner, then bought a mustang and found out it's possible to have a car that actually runs... then last weekend I bought an rx8 - cheers!

You're assumptions and stereotyping have ruined any and all of your credibility, next time back up some of your posts with some formative information. Until then, you're doing nothing but pissing on your keyboard with key after key of worthless trolling.

I'm sure you have heard of the "mighty z06" - GM's flagship vehicle, they have put over 40 years into the corvette's development - and it payed off with a 500HP motor in a roughly 3000lb chassis. It's fast, but GM's beancounters found a way of taking a $40,000 car, putting a $14,000 engine in it and marketed it as a $70,000 car - now, keep all this information about 40 years of research and development in mind... now Ford comes out with their flagship, the GT, and pisses all over the bowtie parade with a car that lacks the cheap plastics, the uncomfortable seats, and the clusterfudge that is the 6MT in the Z06 - a car worth every penny.

In addition to that, the new "super corvette" that is coming out took a page from the Ford book and is adding boost - an engine larger than the 427ci LS7, perhaps? Nope - the LS7 is a good engine, but chevrolet has noted that they have reached the limit of displacement bumps and realized that to make more power they were going to have to add something else, supercharging. The modular has been accepting boost in the 2000whp levels since forced induction was introduced to it, it's a sturdy block. On the bowtie field, the 427ci LS7 pays a huge price - it's cylinder walls are so paper-thin that anything considered obtainable by a supercharger is out of the question. They have brought the displacement for the supervette down to 6.2L.

And at a pricetag of roughly $100K, it's still going to contain the same cheap plastics, uncomfortable seats, and general red-neckery of the current z06.

Cheers, bud.

This did what to prove anything about Chevy V8s not dominating Ford V8s for decades? Are you really comparing the Ford GT with the Z06 and saying Ford pissed on Chevys parade? Have you looked at the price of the Ford GT, how about the price that they actually sell for? If the best you can come up with is spouting off about how the Ford GT has a better interior and seats compared to a Z06 in a debate about the engines of those respective companies you're a sad sad man. If anyone was pissing on anyone ele parade it was Chevy. Performance wise the Ford GT and C6 Z06 are startlingly close, yet you can buy 2-3 Z06s for the price of one Ford GT.

THIS IS A DEBATE ABOUT WHO MAKES THE BETTER V8, not if the engine in a $70,000 car can handle supercharging as well as a ffi car that costs more than twice as much. There is no Ford V8 that can keep up with an LS engine from the same generation without Ford adding FI.

Would you like a tissue now my litle Ford fanboi?

i must say that they came strikingly close in the mid 90's (96) when ford first came out with the 4.6L DOHC. It was pumpin out 305HP and 300TQ while the chevy's were mearly in the lead with 305HP and 325TQ.

At any rate, the WS6 only ran a 5.5 in the 1/4 and a 14.1@102 while the Cobra ran 5.4 and then 14.0@102.

However, to the credit of chevy, they both were easily put down by the Z28 SS whom came in with 4.9 and then 13.6@106.


Point if any? yea, they were still on top, but as far a recent day goes, that's the closest i've seen to a match-up between the ford and chevy 8's. However, chevy's always charged a price for their premium...in 96, the Z28 rang in at almost $29K, while the cobra followed at $26.6K and then the WS6 $24.6K.

Guess you get what you pay for. and all these stats were from an OLD issue of C&D i had...i'm not just mystical with my numbers :)

i must say that they came strikingly close in the mid 90's (96) when ford first came out with the 4.6L DOHC. It was pumpin out 305HP and 300TQ while the chevy's were mearly in the lead with 305HP and 325TQ.

At any rate, the WS6 only ran a 5.5 in the 1/4 and a 14.1@102 while the Cobra ran 5.4 and then 14.0@102.

However, to the credit of chevy, they both were easily put down by the Z28 SS whom came in with 4.9 and then 13.6@106.


Point if any? yea, they were still on top, but as far a recent day goes, that's the closest i've seen to a match-up between the ford and chevy 8's. However, chevy's always charged a price for their premium...in 96, the Z28 rang in at almost $29K, while the cobra followed at $26.6K and then the WS6 $24.6K.

Guess you get what you pay for. and all these stats were from an OLD issue of C&D i had...i'm not just mystical with my numbers :)

In the mid 90s a regular old Z28 could run high 13s with a good driver and the Formula/Trans Am could do the same. By the late 90s the WS6 and SS could run low-mid 13 second 1/4 miles with relative ease. You needed a Cobra just to keep up with the basic Z28 and Trans Am, the regular GT didn't have a chance until F-body production was coming to an end.

Even a 2007 Mustang GT would have one hell of a time keeping up with a SS or WS6 from the 90s.

agreed. Never looked twice at any ford engine less than a 4.6 DOHC.

when it came to fords, their cobra line was my only interest...never cared for their base or GT stangs...dogged WAY too much. Once their SN95 platform bid farewell at the end of 98, i pretty much lost interest in most fords all together. Although the years to followed offered more HP on paper, i was a true believer that their short run from 96-98 was their forte...the closest they ever got to leaving the chevys behind.

While the terminators followed, their HP was brute...but everything else in the car suffered severely, especially the ride and interior build.

agreed. Never looked twice at any ford engine less than a 4.6 DOHC.

when it came to fords, their cobra line was my only interest...never cared for their base or GT stangs...dogged WAY too much. Once their SN95 platform bid farewell at the end of 98, i pretty much lost interest in most fords all together. Although the years to followed offered more HP on paper, i was a true believer that their short run from 96-98 was their forte...the closest they ever got to leaving the chevys behind.

While the terminators followed, their HP was brute...but everything else in the car suffered severely, especially the ride and interior build.

I could have cared less about the Cobras prior to the '03-'04. I agree with you about the Terminator, it is a very mediocre car besides being fast (also see Shelby GT and GT500). I considered getting once twice and walked away disappointed each time I checked one out. Other than that I liked the old 90ish LX notchback. But, Fox body Mustangs are just begging for a Chevy smallblock :rofl:

lol...the fox body mustangs came with less HP than most V6s now days! For the first time i this thead, i completely agree with you on a heart transfer. They were definetely needed. I love the windsor pushrods as much as the next, but they just didn't make squat out of the box in comparison.

fanbois? are you french or something? Ill give it to you that the mid 90's mustang were sluggish stock for stock against an LS1 or LT1. If you go onto any mustang board and ask that same question 99.9% of the people would agree that the Z28's and Trans Ams were faster. I mean you could kind of make the same comparison about the 350Z and the Rx8. I have been walked by an auto 350Z banging the gears as hard as I could at 9K, and as with the SBC vs SBF argument, 99.9% of people would agree that the 350z is indeed faster stock for stock. Should I then make a blanket statement saying that the RX8's motor sucks? Rotarys suck? Is that fair to compare one car to another, find out the winner then infer that the other engine sucks. Grow-up.

fanbois? are you french or something? Ill give it to you that the mid 90's mustang were sluggish stock for stock against an LS1 or LT1. If you go onto any mustang board and ask that same question 99.9% of the people would agree that the Z28's and Trans Ams were faster. I mean you could kind of make the same comparison about the 350Z and the Rx8. I have been walked by an auto 350Z banging the gears as hard as I could at 9K, and as with the SBC vs SBF argument, 99.9% of people would agree that the 350z is indeed faster stock for stock. Should I then make a blanket statement saying that the RX8's motor sucks? Rotarys suck? Is that fair to compare one car to another, find out the winner then infer that the other engine sucks. Grow-up.

You're reading into this too much and letting your heart interfere where you head should be. I'd post a long drawn out thread but I'm tired of fighting for something I don't care all that much about. I'm not a Chevy or a Ford guy, I've never owned a car from either company and I don't know if I ever will.

Hopefully this will make you understand where I'm coming from a little better. I love Subarus and I love my Evo. Even before I had the Evo I admited the 4g63 in the Evo was a better all around engine when compared to the EJ20 and EJ25. I like both of them and I'd be happy with either of them, but one is clearly superior in my eyes. That's pretty much how I feel about a Ford V8 vs. a Chevy V8, they're both good, but in general Chevy has had the upper hand for a while.

just saw what at first i thoguht was acool bit of info on autoblog abotu a Shelby KR at NY Autoshow

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/03/29/new-york-preview-mystery-mustang-is-shelby-kr/
but then it goews on to say it wont have the new "boss" engine so im a little miffed

the original gt500 kr from 68 and 69 (especially in convertible) are my favorite mustangs ever- even over the 65 i used to own or my dad's 64 1/2

nice vid with Carrol

I just drove the Shelby GT, and all i can say is wow! that thing is so fast off the line, i really think it could take the GT500 off the line up to about 60.

I just drove the Shelby GT, and all i can say is wow! that thing is so fast off the line, i really think it could take the GT500 off the line up to about 60.

I really think you're insane.

I just drove the Shelby GT, and all i can say is wow! that thing is so fast off the line, i really think it could take the GT500 off the line up to about 60.

Huh, doesn't the Shelby GT only have 325hp? A far cry from 500. I thought it was the Hertz rental car turned into production version.

Huh, doesn't the Shelby GT only have 325hp? A far cry from 500. I thought it was the Hertz rental car turned into production version.

319hp, up a whopping 19hp from a plain old Mustang GT. People that spend the extra money over the GT are fools.

I think it's because of the gears, and I've ridden and drove both. Thats just what i think of the two. And Ike you really think that people that spend the extra money is stupid now, wait 50 years when the shelby gt is going for $500,00 at the Barret Jackson when the plain gt is goin for $50,000.

I think it's because of the gears, and I've ridden and drove both. Thats just what i think of the two. And Ike you really think that people that spend the extra money is stupid now, wait 50 years when the shelby gt is going for $500,00 at the Barret Jackson when the plain gt is goin for $50,000.

Hardly, this version of the Shelby Mustang will be about as valuable a collector as the Shelby Charger. At least that car ws impressive when compared to what it was based on... If they do end up being collectible it will be the Hertz cars that are the most sought after. And maybe the one that the moron paid 600k for this year so he could be the first one on his block.

If you drove the GT500, something was wrong with it. You'll shave off about a second from the Shelby GT 0-60 i'm sure.

I think you're confused about which cars you drove and when.

Here's a quote I just found:

Ford's position was that the 500-horsepower Shelby GT500 represented the ultimate in Shelby Mustang performance, and that the Shelby GT was positioned as a more dynamic, more engaging version of the Mustang GT.

So...

Mustang GT < Shelby GT < Shelby GT500

I know what car i was driving, it just feels like the Shelby gt is faster off the line, thats all

CKay butt dyno = broke :)

I know what car i was driving, it just feels like the Shelby gt is faster off the line, thats all
probably because it's easier for the average joe to put 350hp to the ground than 500hp to the ground (let alone the gt500 has small factory rubber for those numbers)

well the first time you drive any type of muscle car in the realm of 300HP/300TQ, you'll think you're on top of the world!

However, it is definetely true that a 500HP car feels worlds apart from a Shelby GT. Claiming a GT500 would be taken off the line is a pretty obsurd claim. lol. really.

And even if you're spinning from a dig, you still can tell a huge difference with a 175hp advantage once those tires hook.

Ok so i know we aren't suppose to talk about racing but here i go any ways. i ran the Shelby gt last night from a 60 punch and it wasnt bad at all, at first it was neck and neck then he pulled slowly and had about a car or two before we shut it down. And it's not like his a bad driver, he's actually the best driver i know. All I have is K&N filter and RP supercat.
Just thought i would share

and what kinda car were you driving?

:suspect:

The rx8, and he was drive the Shelby gt not the 500 but the gt. Of course the GT won but it was as bad as i thought

Not gonna raise the BS flag or anything, but the likelihood that an 8 could keep up with a 315HP mustang seems to be a rather obtuse thought...even with the added weight of the newer platform it's built on.

I also own a 97 cobra with 305HP, and i know that it wouldn't even be a close call between the 2 of them. However, current gear and driver talent also must be taken into account. At any rate, I just love them both for what they are...completely different machines.

My friend with the GT500, and the Shelby GT just pulled up at work to day, in the Shelby-H, that thing is so ragged out, but it's another Shelby lol

WTF are you talking about man? :Eyecrazy:

The 2006 Shelby-H, Hertz edition, like the rental place. Hertz is auctioning them off, and my friend bought one. It's all ragged out because it was a rental.

So your friend owns...

1). Shelby GT500
2). Shebly GT
3). Shebly-H (see #2 except AT only)

Correct?

Yea

So your friend owns...

1). Shelby GT500
2). Shebly GT
3). Shebly-H (see #2 except AT only)

Correct?

Yea

:bsflag:

I'll post a pic then

:bsflag:
:)

Ill post pics of the shelby GT and the GT500 tonight when I get home

maybe a few pics of the other cars the dude has too

"if u build it, they will come..."

as disappointing as it may be to u guys, some owners aren't interested in the nitty gritty of assembling everything themselves. (some are women, who just want the damn car.) the shelby gives them an option of not dealing with the hassle of buying parts and playing legos/ tinker toy. and, the trade-off is they pay for it. more options is a good thing, not bad. they pay the premium price. so, it seems fair to me...

:beer:

There are some idiots out there that will buy anything.

^ see CKay's friend (if it holds true)

A Hertz GT-H and Shelby GT which are essentially the same car. I guess if you have enough money to blow, it doesn't matter.

Master Shake FTW :rock:

There are some idiots out there that will buy anything.

^ see CKay's friend (if it holds true)

A Hertz GT-H and Shelby GT which are essentially the same car. I guess if you have enough money to blow, it doesn't matter.
If you have the money, and you want the car, whats the big deal? Besides, when you have the cars this guy does, there not much else out there to buy :wink2:

Besides, when you have the cars this guy does, there not much else out there to buy :wink2:

is this guy on probation to domestic muscle cars only?

If he's really got the money for cars like that, he's missing a lot that the international AND domestic auto markets have to offer. :dunno:

is this guy on probation to domestic muscle cars only?

If he's really got the money for cars like that, he's missing a lot that the international AND domestic auto markets have to offer. :dunno:
The dude is a die hard muscle car guy, and collects cars with potential to increase in value. Theres not really many jap cars that are collectible (maybe supras or nice rx7s).

The 2006 Shelby-H, Hertz edition, like the rental place. Hertz is auctioning them off, and my friend bought one. It's all ragged out because it was a rental.

It's also probably the one that will be the most collectible in years to come. Sad but true... It's amazing what some muscle car guys will pay for a semi-fast ill handling turd.

It's amazing what some ricer car guys will pay for a semi-fast ugly turd.

If you have the money, and you want the car, whats the big deal? Besides, when you have the cars this guy does, there not much else out there to buy :wink2:

I guess I just wouldn't buy the same car twice to get a badge on the side, go figure. Then again I only own two cars so I have a different idea about "investing."

If I had the kinda money that you say this guy has.... I would certainly branch out as far as collectibles are concerned.

The dude is a die hard muscle car guy, and collects cars with potential to increase in value. Theres not really many jap cars that are collectible (maybe supras or nice rx7s).

comment was pointed more along the elegant crowd, such as BMWs, Ferraris, AMG, etc. I'm not talking about buying $30K cars. He sounded like he had money, and a big car enthusiast tends to think outside the US. At any rate, :beer05:

didnt want to bring this thread back but I will anyway. For all those haters that said ford motors are pieces of garbage, I give you the KB Twin Screw GT-500 Stage 3.

In my 5.0 magazine, the KB kit includes - dual 75mm throttle bodys, a SCT tuner, K&N air filter and housing, MAF extender, dual inline fuel pumps, 130mm MAss air meter, and the 2.8L blower.

Boosting 24# they netted 810hp/745tq @ the wheels and the kit cost $5,799 bucks. Thats more than a 350 rwhp gain (400 crank) for 6k.

Thats right they picked up more than 350rwhp on a stock engine for 6k which equals out to 1 hp for $15. Remember that when you contemplating $300 on an intake for the RX8.

http://www.kennebell.net/superchargers/ford/Shelby/50cover.jpg

DYNO VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDvvAglQV_k)

2ND GEAR WOT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKmUVxC34XQ)

People said the engine was crap?

That's awful impressive for $6K. Gotta be difficult putting that power down.

The internals are supposedly good to 800 HP so Im the 900hp that the KB is putting down is above the rated maximum HP. Ford usually rates their shortblocks conservatively so it can probably handle 900hp just fine. Hell my B50 block is only rated to 450 BHP and I have run 500-550 bhp on it safely for 3 years.

KB Price List (http://www.kennebell.net/pricelist/SC-PRICELIST.pdf)

I have a buddy that is a salesman at a large Ford dealership. They are selling Shelby's about $10,000 above sticker as fast as they can get them in.

didnt want to bring this thread back but I will anyway. For all those haters that said ford motors are pieces of garbage, I give you the KB Twin Screw GT-500 Stage 3.

In my 5.0 magazine, the KB kit includes - dual 75mm throttle bodys, a SCT tuner, K&N air filter and housing, MAF extender, dual inline fuel pumps, 130mm MAss air meter, and the 2.8L blower.

Boosting 24# they netted 810hp/745tq @ the wheels and the kit cost $5,799 bucks. Thats more than a 350 rwhp gain (400 crank) for 6k.

Thats right they picked up more than 350rwhp on a stock engine for 6k which equals out to 1 hp for $15. Remember that when you contemplating $300 on an intake for the RX8.


DYNO VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDvvAglQV_k)

2ND GEAR WOT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKmUVxC34XQ)

I don't think anyone said the engine was a piece of crap... Ford V8s are good engines, I and many others just think Chevys are better.