I've had this in the back of my mind for quite a while and I was wondering: was the MX-6 Mazda's answer to the Nissan 240SX/Silvia?

Thanks,
Strider-

I don't think so imo. Totally different cars.. engine/drivetrain layout..

240SX = 2.4L 4 cylinder RWD
MX-6 LS = 2.6L KL-series V-6 FWD shared with the Probe platform.

Owned both in the past. Both are good coupes, although handling goes to the RWD 240SX. The MX-6/Probe motor is silky-smooth and the car is sexier and more refined, imho. The body style is timeless.

That's sort of like a market segment between the 6-hatch and the MPS protege. I don't think mazda has an answer for those people just yet. I think a stripped 8 would work, but might not have enough anemities compared to the RSX/celica which have taken over what's left. A mustang or camaro is not something I would consider, but is also in that segment.

Supposedly the next gen silvia is coming back to the US though.

Where did you hear that the next gen silvia was coming back? Please post a link if you can find it. Also are there pics of the next gen Silvia?

Strider-

poopy poo to bad it dont say silvia here in the us :(

The S16 will not make it to US shores. The Sentra SE-R and the 350Z are the only performance-oriented cars from Nissan the USA will see for a long time. Sad, but true.

It was a posted clip from a news article (Motortrend I think) that I found on the http://www.freshalloy.com forums. They said that there is a strong possiblitiy that the next gen Silvia will come to the US to take on the Celica and RSX.

Originally posted by Tragedy
The S16 will not make it to US shores. The Sentra SE-R and the 350Z are the only performance-oriented cars from Nissan the USA will see for a long time. Sad, but true.

Don't you guys get the Skyline? Hmmm don't know if I could live in the US... No Elise, No TVR, No Skyline, No Supra, practiaclly no VTEC...

You guy's gotta sort it out... go campain to get your cars!

We weren't gonna get the 350Z but Nissan UK got a load of people to sign a pettition and persuaded nissan to sell it here!

Well there's always the LH drive, crash testing, and emissions regulations to overcome. Overall it's a ROI(Return On Investment) issue for all makers.

Originally posted by Toadman
Well there's always the LH drive, crash testing, and emissions regulations to overcome. Overall it's a ROI(Return On Investment) issue for all makers.

I suppose the UK is easier for Jap makers... but I would have thought that the US was a HUGH market to sell in and it'd have to be worth it?

TVR i can understand, mostly because they can't make enough cars to satisfy the demand in the UK... But I bet nissan could sell enough skylines to make it worth while? No?

Here the Rx-7 is a big import here... you can take a jap one, change a light cluster... get it tuned for emissions and registered and bingo!

In a depressed Western market, the bean-counters rule the roost. A LHD Skyline would make a killing for Nissan in the States.

Originally posted by BlueAdept


Don't you guys get the Skyline? Hmmm don't know if I could live in the US... No Elise, No TVR, No Skyline, No Supra, practiaclly no VTEC...

You guy's gotta sort it out... go campain to get your cars!

We weren't gonna get the 350Z but Nissan UK got a load of people to sign a pettition and persuaded nissan to sell it here!
You have to understand, that most Americans have an obsession for power (as you can see with the many posts made on this board about the RX-8's power), instead of handling. That's one thing I really admire about Europe, is that the car buyers there know that a good handling car is more fun than a fast one.

I'd love to move to Europe but then the gas would be expensive. Besides the RX-8's in the states :)

Americans are also fairly abusive to their cars. There aren't many other places in the world that have so much open road, and so many idiots on them. :(

So reliability is a big question as well, with all the driving that we do. CA has ridiculous emmision requirements as well.

the silvias for the comming year is sexy after 30 minutes of navigating thru the japanese mazda site i found it. I gotta go to bed so i'll repost tomorrow ith th elink

Originally posted by BlueAdept


I suppose the UK is easier for Jap makers... but I would have thought that the US was a HUGH market to sell in and it'd have to be worth it?

TVR i can understand, mostly because they can't make enough cars to satisfy the demand in the UK... But I bet nissan could sell enough skylines to make it worth while? No?

Here the Rx-7 is a big import here... you can take a jap one, change a light cluster... get it tuned for emissions and registered and bingo!

Skyline: I had always wondered why they never sold it in the US, but then again, most of the expensive Japanese sports cars didn't sell too well either. It's rumored that they'll bring over the next gen Skyline to the US and sell it at $60K+ I don't think it will sell well...

S16 Silvia in the US : I'll believe it when I see it. They have to be careful with the pricing; if it's too high, then they'll compete too closely with the 350Z. IMO, the only way they could successfully sell that car here is if it's in the $22-24K range. I doubt they would bring over the hot version (w/ 250hp IIRC) and sell it at that price.

The new skyline is already for sale in the US market, just not the new GT-R, which isn't for sale anywhere else either (looks like 2004 for that). You can go see them at your local infiniti dealership. The new GT-R concept car can be seen here (http://www.jbskyline.net/V35/GTR/). It will very likely be offered in the US and should compare favorably to the M3s and S4s it will be competing with. Haven't heard anything about the S16 coming..

Originally posted by BlueAdept


Don't you guys get the Skyline? Hmmm don't know if I could live in the US... No Elise, No TVR, No Skyline, No Supra, practiaclly no VTEC...

As far as cars go, America sucks. When I am in Japan, I take for granted all the cars I see. Skylines, Supras, RX-7's, Lancer EVO's etc etc are an everyday sight. When I return to the states, I realize how far behind America is.

Originally posted by Tragedy


As far as cars go, America sucks. When I am in Japan, I take for granted all the cars I see. Skylines, Supras, RX-7's, Lancer EVO's etc etc are an everyday sight. When I return to the states, I realize how far behind America is.
just because a vehicle is not available in the states does not mean that America is "far behind". many different people have many different tastes. perhaps the reason for the companies choosing not to import certain vehicles to the U.S. is because there just isn't enough demand to justify the expense. or maybe there isn't enough poduction volume. or perhaps they choose not to make the car meet emissions or safety standards. as far as the rx7, mazda produced the car everyone said they wanted and then got caught when not enough would pay the price to own one and put up with the problems that the turbo's caused. and don't forget the production has ended in japan now. and the evos? who the hell wants one when we can get a wrx. the skyline, nissan chooses to not sell it here and as far as the next one reaching these shores they are going to have to do a lot more work in the styling dept. besides just redrawing some lines on the body of the 350z and slapping corvette tailights on it to sell here

Originally posted by zoom44

just because a vehicle is not available in the states does not mean that America is "far behind". many different people have many different tastes.

Whoa champ, when I said "America is far behind" it was merely my opinion. Going to Japan on a regular basis has really changed my view of the automotive industry in America. I love America, I'm just not fond of the selection of cars here. Like you said, different people have different tastes....no hard feelings!

no hard feelings tragedy, i seem to be in a ranting mood today:cool:

skylines are avalable thru skylinegtr.com
They Import And do the nessacesarry emissions conversions , keep it as left hand drive but thru their prices it's not worth it.
Too bad skyline would be a good car specially in the winter. I still may import one in about 10 years thats if they arent here by then.

Different cars with differing points of attack. One front wheel drive, the other rear. One V-6, the other 4 cyl. I prefer the V-6 but I prefer the rear wheel drive any day. If the Mazda was rear wheel drive, I think it would have had more success.
Design wise, the Mazda looks far more attractive. The lines more sensous and that interior paid more attention to detail.

I miss European cars like Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Peugeot, Citroen etc. They have bags of styling and character, and are usually great handling and cheap.
However we are very fortunate that there are many cars sold in America that are unavailable elsewhere in the world such as Oldsmobile, Lincoln, Chevrolet, Mercury, Dodge, Buick and Pontiac, - wonder why Detroit doesn't export them ;). At least Chrysler have enough courage to export the Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Neon to the UK (although the Neon isn't doing too well even though it is dirt cheap by UK standards).

Originally posted by pelucidor
I miss European cars like Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Peugeot, Citroen etc. They have bags of styling and character, and are usually great handling and cheap.
However we are very fortunate that there are many cars sold in America that are unavailable elsewhere in the world such as Oldsmobile, Lincoln, Chevrolet, Mercury, Dodge, Buick and Pontiac, - wonder why Detroit doesn't export them ;). At least Chrysler have enough courage to export the Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Neon to the UK (although the Neon isn't doing too well even though it is dirt cheap by UK standards).

Perhaps the fate of the Neon is the reason that the other manufacturers don't export those cars... In large part, American cars are designed for a road system that doesn't exist in Europe!

In addition to the fact that American manufactured cars have a reputation for poor build quality and poor quality of materials.

Originally posted by Rexman
In addition to the fact that American manufactured cars have a reputation for poor build quality and poor quality of materials.
maybe thats why so many european cars are not imported to the states- they have a reputation for bad electronics, bad electrics, and oil burning/leaking problems. before the purchase of say jaguar by a certain american company did they ever build a car that didin't leak like a sieve? this is not meant to be bashing just that all companies have their good and bad points, there strengths and weaknesses and that goes for their products as well.
edit: isn't the ford mondeo a very well thought of car in europe?

Originally posted by zoom44
maybe thats why so many european cars are not imported to the states- they have a reputation for bad electronics, bad electrics, and oil burning/leaking problems.Perhaps you are confusing European cars with very old British cars like Triumphs. I don't recall such woes with VW, Mercedes, Audi, BMW, or even Fiat, Citroen, Renault, Lancia etc over the last 10-15 years. I've had a bunch of European cars over the last 20 years (see sig) and my family in England have always had Citroens and VWs and we've never had a problem with electronics, electrics and oil burning/leaking (exept my 1972 Vauxhall Viva which was truly a POS).
EDIT: Thinking back on my family's European cars from the 70's and 80's - they did fail to start occasionally, so that would count as electrical problems. If American cars never failed to start I can see where a 'bad reputation' for electrical/electronics could come from and I stand corrected.


Originally posted by zoom44
edit: isn't the ford mondeo a very well thought of car in europe? Yes, it is a well-thought of European car that is not sold in the USA. Many people think that Ford refuses to sell it here as the new Contour because it would make all their other vehicles look terrible and take away sales from the Taurus.

BLUE ADEPT - Not all American cars do badly in Europe - I thought the Jeep Grand Cherokee was compared very favourably by the UK car magazines to the Range Rover (but for half the price) a few years back. And a Ford Taurus (or smaller Buick, Dodge, Pontiac etc) is no bigger than a BMW 5 series or an E-class Merc, both of which manage on the European road systems fine...

Of course we all know the answer - the Detroit boys tend to build the worst cars they can get away with and foist on the American public (maximising profit at the expense of R&D, reputation and quality), admittedly at cheap prices. I am just talking cars here, not SUVs, trucks, minivans etc which I would rate average to good here.
I have never owned a big-3 car (and I never will), but I get to rent them (Pontiacs, Chevys, Olds, Buicks, Fords, Dodge, Chrysler) every few weeks whilst traveling. And let me tell you I would rather own an equivalently priced Hyundai anytime.

Well, I just spoke with one of my colleagues in Japan. His brother-in-law works for the marketing dept of Nissan, so I think the source of this info is pretty reliable. Here goes: Nissan will discontinue its Silvia. The S15 is going to be the final Silvia. The car may be popular with car enthusiasts and JDM fanatics, but the car was not selling well in Asia and Europe. It's sad to see a popular car of this magnitude just simply die. The Camaro to the USA, is like the Silvia to Japan. Both are 30+ years old, and both are dead.



The Nissan Silvia
1965-2002
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Skylines have been available in the US, as imported by MotoRex in Los Angeles, got $90K laying around?
The Infinity G35 is based on the Skyline.

It's not based on the skyline, it IS the skyline. "Infiniti G35" is just what its called in the US. Like the "Lexus IS300" compared to Toyota Altezza. They just change the name to make you think you're buying a luxury nameplate :)

Keep in mind that the "GTR" and "SKYLINE" are now two different cars. So TECHNICALLY, the Skyline is now available nationwide in the US, but the GTR still eludes the west.

Supposedly the next GTR will be brought here. ;)

The Skyline GT-R eludes the whole world - they haven't released the new one yet.

But indeed, supposedly it will come here

Sure the Altezza and the IS300 are the same with different powerplants. The Skyline and G35 do not even have the same body. Sure with that we can call the Mazda MX-6 a Ford Probe too, Courier a B-Series truck..yada...Yes the GTR is a whole other story, gone by way of, RX-7, Supra, 300ZX
Look out world there a whole new crop of cars coming, with the RX-8 leading up front!

You don't understand. The car we have here in the states with a G35 badge on it carries a Skyline badge in europe and japan. The old skyline, that one we think about when we think Skyline, is gone.. (sorry for the largish image- note the nissan badge)

http://www.nissan.co.jp/SKYLINE/V35/0201/DATA/MAIN/IMAGES/main_02.jpg

y'hafta admit, though, that if Nissan did make the next GT-R from the skyline (G35) chassis, it'd still kick some serious ass...

Originally posted by wakeech
y'hafta admit, though, that if Nissan did make the next GT-R from the skyline (G35) chassis, it'd still kick some serious ass... If I had 70 grand to spend it wouldn't be on a Skyline.

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I've had this in the back of my mind for quite a while and I was wondering: was the MX-6 (#) Mazda's (#) answer to the Nissan (#) 240SX/Silvia?

Thanks,
Strider-
Sorry I'm so late on this one...
I own a 95 MX-6 LS (V6), mad mods.
Great autocrosser when set up right.
It was marketed to compete with the Celica, Integra & Prelude.

:uhh:

the silvias for the comming year is sexy after 30 minutes of navigating thru the japanese mazda site i found it. I gotta go to bed so i'll repost tomorrow ith th elinkI know im reviving this post from teh dead... but anymore info on the next gen silvias?

-hS

As far as I know BigO they are dead just like the NSX MR2 Celica and Supra. What the hell was that guy saying?

hey

wooo!

bah!!

meh!

you guys are bored... again..

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yes.

I had a 1990 MX-6 GT and when I was in Florida, I had alot of fun knocking Supras, 300 ZXs, Preludes, and 240sx down. People were amazed when I told them it was only a 2.2 liter 145 hp 4 banger with a whistle. I had a guy in a Supra follow me to my house after running one day to see what I had under my hood. Torque steer was something I had to get used to but all in all it was one fun car to own and drive.