I am in the process of buying a new RX8. Even though I am not in a hurry to buy this car, the dealer I was at told me Mazda was going to increase the MSRP on the next shipment by 8-12%!!! The finance manager even showed my wife an official looking fax indicating this was true!

Has anyone heard about this increase?? If this is the case, I will surely not wait to buy this car.

Thanks.

Sure that makes sense. HP is down by 3.6% so they'll charge you 8%-12% extra for that. :D

LOL. But that should work the other way around. They should be decreasing the price, not increasing it!

price increase = BS

If it was true, it would make sense. You have to get the money for the trade-ins and service contract with their dealers somehow. But I don't think it will fly. Add 3 grand to the price tag? Tough sell.

If that's true, what a load of crap. I don't think the car is worth what they are selling them for now considering the performance I experienced on my test drives. But I buy a car for performance first, some torque would be nice, flashy looks, and neat little gizmos being pretty far down on the list. For instance I will never own a car with a sunroof because it adds weight, same with power seats if I can help it, nope no leather for me. It's become very clear the RX-8 was not made for what I look for in a car. In fact I had a Mazda MX6 that was a lot of fun to drive around as a kid, but overall it was total piece of crap.

I've lost faith in Mazda, I doubt I will ever consider another car of theirs again. They are always so good at teasing me with nice designs, and interesting concepts but they always come up short and blow something (usually in the power department)

The more and more you see the RX-8s on the roads, the less speciall and unique they will be. They are starting to look a little overly done and gaudy to me and the funky door lines are no longer funky in a good way.

Ok now all the fanboys can come and tell me what a troll I am :p

Ike

Originally posted by IkeWRX
If that's true, what a load of crap. I don't think the car is worth what they are selling them for now considering the performance I experienced on my test drives. But I buy a car for performance first, some torque would be nice, flashy looks, and neat little gizmos being pretty far down on the list. For instance I will never own a car with a sunroof because it adds weight, same with power seats if I can help it, nope no leather for me. It's become very clear the RX-8 was not made for what I look for in a car. In fact I had a Mazda MX6 that was a lot of fun to drive around as a kid, but overall it was total piece of crap.

I've lost faith in Mazda, I doubt I will ever consider another car of theirs again. They are always so good at teasing me with nice designs, and interesting concepts but they always come up short and blow something (usually in the power department)

The more and more you see the RX-8s on the roads, the less speciall and unique they will be. They are starting to look a little overly done and gaudy to me and the funky door lines are no longer funky in a good way.

Ok now all the fanboys can come and tell me what a troll I am :p

Ike

Ike,

Just trying to understand why you hang around on a forum for a car you dont like? If you dont own or arent interested in the RX-8 what do you actually get out of the board?

I'm not flaming you, just trying to understand. I love Impreza's and am currently on my second one, an STi. However I have an RX-8 on order as I think this is a unique car that is more than just about performance.

I have driven lots of cars that I have decided are not for me, and I dont hang out on their forums because I no longer have interest in the car.

Mark

Your perception of how a car looks has been severely compromised with your desire of the WRX :D

I agree with 5Gen_Prelude
Ike,

Just trying to understand why you hang around on a forum for a car you dont like? If you dont own or arent interested in the RX-8 what do you actually get out of the board?

I'm not flaming you, just trying to understand. I love Impreza's and am currently on my second one, an STi. However I have an RX-8 on order as I think this is a unique car that is more than just about performance.

I have driven lots of cars that I have decided are not for me, and I dont hang out on their forums because I no longer have interest in the car.


I am very new to all of this. I purchased the car I enjoy it and I found this forum to find out new things about it. This forum has been unbelievable in knowledge about the RX-8. Most of it I do not understand yet, but I am learning.

What I do not get is how does a person get to be a senior member and not even have the car. Why would a senior member have lots of negative things to say about the car? If they do not like the car why not just go somewhere else.

Not trying to be a smart**S. I just do not get the purpose of postings like IkeWRX. I mean I already bought the car and enjoy it so what are they trying to do. Is the goal to make me turn it in and then they win something for that. I just do not understand, and it would be nice to know because I have been wondering about that question from day one.

Same model year will NEVER have a msrp bump.Maybe 05s.

Originally posted by mmjames
I agree with 5Gen_Prelude


What I do not get is how does a person get to be a senior member and not even have the car. Why would a senior member have lots of negative things to say about the car? If they do not like the car why not just go somewhere else.

Not trying to be a smart**S. I just do not get the purpose of postings like IkeWRX. I mean I already bought the car and enjoy it so what are they trying to do. Is the goal to make me turn it in and then they win something for that. I just do not understand, and it would be nice to know because I have been wondering about that question from day one.

Senior Members are posters with a certain number of posts. Anyone that makes enough posts (even if they are a lot of the same annoying posts over and over) eventually get there. It just means he's posting over and over and over and over.....


And there was a rumor of a price increase soon at Mazda corporate, but it was something like $500, not $3k. And after the hp flap, I doubt they'll increase it until at least next year. That would just add insult to injury.

My dealer told me back in April that he could not get prices on any RX8 after the three allocations already on his inventory. This usually meant a price increase in the past, he inquired at that time and they told him that 04 allocations after December were going to go up 2K to 3K.

There were rumors of this when people were starting threads about the RX-8 seeming to be underpriced for all that you get. Now with the HP correction, it could change.

Local cars flew off the lot last week with the 500 dollars and free scheduled maintenance. So who knows, one more bad bit of news could send the prices soaring.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
If that's true, what a load of crap. I don't think the car is worth what they are selling them for now considering the performance I experienced on my test drives. But I buy a car for performance first, some torque would be nice, flashy looks, and neat little gizmos being pretty far down on the list. For instance I will never own a car with a sunroof because it adds weight, same with power seats if I can help it, nope no leather for me. It's become very clear the RX-8 was not made for what I look for in a car. In fact I had a Mazda MX6 that was a lot of fun to drive around as a kid, but overall it was total piece of crap.

I've lost faith in Mazda, I doubt I will ever consider another car of theirs again. They are always so good at teasing me with nice designs, and interesting concepts but they always come up short and blow something (usually in the power department)

The more and more you see the RX-8s on the roads, the less speciall and unique they will be. They are starting to look a little overly done and gaudy to me and the funky door lines are no longer funky in a good way.

Ok now all the fanboys can come and tell me what a troll I am :p

Ike

What you're looking for is a bare bones sports car. The RX-8 is not a bare bones kinda car. Not many cars today are bare bones.
Anything that comes close to that is the EVO and the STI. The soon to be release US Lotus Elise is the most bare car you can buy. It's practically a go kart.

If you want a true sports car from Mazda, get an RX-7.

Hey IkeWRX maybe you should get Miata. Heres the results from the local SCCA chapters latest rally. It appears that stock Miata's are consistently beating the stock WRX's. I'm so glad that I don't drive a single dimesional car in this multi-dimensional world. Probably not enough straight away on our local layout to bring your car into competition.

MIATA 50.397
MIATA 53.175

WRX 55.746
WRX 56.706

I don't doubt pricing going up.

The Mazda 6 went up shortly after release, but the the incentives might have countered the increase.

I read on the mazda6 forum of one guy that got his A plan pricing and then it went up $500. The invoice price increased.

Originally posted by joseh
I am in the process of buying a new RX8. Even though I am not in a hurry to buy this car, the dealer I was at told me Mazda was going to increase the MSRP on the next shipment by 8-12%!!! The finance manager even showed my wife an official looking fax indicating this was true!

Has anyone heard about this increase?? If this is the case, I will surely not wait to buy this car.

Thanks.

The MSRP is not increasing. Most likely the dealership is planning on adding an 8-12% markup on their cars, and they're trying to pass it off on Mazda.

Originally posted by MarkW


Ike,

Just trying to understand why you hang around on a forum for a car you dont like? If you dont own or arent interested in the RX-8 what do you actually get out of the board?

I'm not flaming you, just trying to understand. I love Impreza's and am currently on my second one, an STi. However I have an RX-8 on order as I think this is a unique car that is more than just about performance.

I have driven lots of cars that I have decided are not for me, and I dont hang out on their forums because I no longer have interest in the car.

Mark


I came here in the first place because I was excited about the car. Then I started considering it for my girlfriend as the release got closer or maybe even myself if I liked it that much. I really do like the car, but I guess only in someone elses driveway at this point.

I haven't been posting much since I decided the RX-8 wasn't the car for me or my girlfriend, but I've still been reading to boards from time to time. These boards have some of the most loyal and blinded fans, rotary enthusiasts, trolls, some people just trying to learn about their new purchases, and some car enthusiasts. I would say I fall into the later category, but with what's been going on with the RX-8 certainly makes for an interesting dynamic on these boards. I love all types of cars and I am loyal to the WRX, but I by no means think it's perfect or even close to it. I also belong to some other boards for various reasons, I mainly just enjoy learning about cars...

Chuck, the Miata is a hell of a car for autox and I've discussed purchasing one along with my father for autox on more than one ocassion since the way WRXs are don't make for ideal autox car. However, I wouldn't want to drive one daily nor could the Miata hang with my WRX on a real track (or on the street), which I have in the past and will be going to next season. The tight low MPH turns on an autox track catter to cars such as the Miata, the WRX is to easy to get out of the sweet spot on low speed turns when in stock form. The cat configurations make the WRX a much better candidate for non stock classes so I'm just going to continue to mod and race in one of those classes next season.

Vudooodooodooo, I already own a kart so I won't be getting an Elise :p, but I've been seriously considering upgrading to an STi or Evo, but I've decided to mod my WRX and wait a couple years for now. The RX-7... I love that car but no way in hell I would touch a used one, I just don't see engines as disposable parts. Defend the RX-7 all you want, but I've looked at used ones many times for a few years now and it's almost impossible to find one that's hasn't had to replace the engine at least once.


Ike

Originally posted by IkeWRX


The RX-7... I love that car but no way in hell I would touch a used one, I just don't see engines as disposable parts. Defend the RX-7 all you want, but I've looked at used ones many times for a few years now and it's almost impossible to find one that's hasn't had to replace the engine at least once.


Ike


The engine doesn't have to be replaced if it's treated properly, but no one bothers to do the research and maintainence required of a high-performace sports car..but that's a whole other thread ;)

Yes - I have been shopping around just this week and dealer told me that there would be a $2K-$3K increase when the new ad campaign hits. Of course it is end of the Q3'03 as well...so who knows if it was fabricated.

I am a little concerned with the 'quality' of the car. Lots of problems, and I saw a really bad fit between rubber seal and interior molding on the rear door of the showcase car in my dealer's lot. Overall rating on Edmunds has been positive, though.

Going to check out a G35 Coupe tomorrow - hoping that I won't like it as much - but got to do my due diligence.

Wow, what a flame to throw for an initial post.

What, exactly, are these quality problems you speak of? Far fewer than any other new car introduction I've seen of late, and really, I can't think of a single problem that's not a sample defect of some type. Some say A/C cycling is a problem, others the interior heat buildup, but they're not "defects" per se.

The only real issue I know of is the flashing oil light on early build cars, and that's since been fixed...

took the words out of my mouth


a 1st post with balls

Originally posted by 5Gen_Prelude
Your perception of how a car looks has been severely compromised with your desire of the WRX :D
true

Some people would rather not have flashy cars that look faster than they really are...

Originally posted by 5Gen_Prelude
Your perception of how a car looks has been severely compromised with your desire of the WRX :D

I haven't read the whole thread but I had to post here.

Out of 11 WRX's I know of, 10 have had tranny failures on them in one way or another. 50% of those are people that are not enthusiasts, one is a wife of a friend, a school teacher, one student, etc.

Region rep denies warranty as soon as possible, all for stupid reasons.

There's a thread on nasioc.com about the weakness of the gears from independent labs that have done metallurgy tests on the broken gears.




So back to our regularly scheduled program........

Originally posted by syntrix


I haven't read the whole thread but I had to post here.

Out of 11 WRX's I know of, 10 have had tranny failures on them in one way or another. 50% of those are people that are not enthusiasts, one is a wife of a friend, a school teacher, one student, etc.

Region rep denies warranty as soon as possible, all for stupid reasons.

There's a thread on nasioc.com about the weakness of the gears from independent labs that have done metallurgy tests on the broken gears.




So back to our regularly scheduled program........


I attend meets with WRX drivers and of the 20 or so people I've met not one has had a tranny problem, and most of their cars are modded with pretty decent miles. While the tranny does seem to be the weakest link of the car, as is the case with a lot of higher HP AWD cars, I find your 10 of 11 statement highly suspect.. I fully aknowledge there are some issues with our tranny's, but you and others are doing what I've seen several times on WRX boards, exagerating the shortcomings of the car. If you listen to the WRX haters you would find that the WRXs interior is made from old milk cartons, our warranty gets voided with the slightest mod, 90% of all our trannys fail, it's slower than a Base Civic from a roll, and our cars come from the factory maxed out in power. Believe what you will, but I think you're full of it when you say 10 of 11 have had tranny problems, even though I fully acknowledge there is something not right about the WRX tranny.

Ike

Well, I used to run the local suby meets here in vegas.

Do some research on the board and you will find the independent lab reports on the metal treatment for the gears.

Maybe it's the vegas heat out here, but maybe it's not!

Glad there are happy owners out there! Suby hit a price point that nobody else could. I'm not a hater, I loved the car, and I still do, despite the weak link.

Now the STi could redeem the issues that we have seen locally, but it's a whole different animal

edit:
ikewrx: take it to pm, i just sent you one, let's not get too off topic here.

Originally posted by syntrix
Well, I used to run the local suby meets here in vegas.

Do some research on the board and you will find the independent lab reports on the metal treatment for the gears.

Maybe it's the vegas heat out here, but maybe it's not!

Glad there are happy owners out there!


Like I said, not denying something isn't right with the WRX tranny (I'm a regular at a couple WRX boards and read NASIOC regularly but don't post much) and the tranny has been a curse on a lot of AWD higher HP cars. I know a guy with almost 200 1/4 mile passes and 2 seasons worth of autox and he's still on his original clutch and tranny while being highly modded. Then again you hear on the boards about the odd tranny failure at 5k miles. I think there's a few factors involved. One being the tranny itself, another being that many people that get a WRX aren't experienced with MTs, and yet another being the nature of AWD cars and the fact that if the clutch isn't slipping or the tires aren't there's a ton of stress being put on the tranny. The only problem I had was your 10 of 11 statement, I almost wish it was that common across the board because then Subaru would be forced to do soemthing about it. As it is now it's problem here and there and not so common that Subaru has done something about it, yet... Though it does seem to be more of an issue than with most cars on the market, but not many cars on the market can be compared to the WRX.

Ike

Originally posted by IkeWRX
I don't think the car is worth what they are selling them for now considering the performance I experienced on my test drives. But I buy a car for performance first, some torque would be nice, flashy looks, and neat little gizmos being pretty far down on the list. For instance I will never own a car with a sunroof because it adds weight, same with power seats if I can help it, nope no leather for me. It's become very clear the RX-8 was not made for what I look for in a car.


I'm puzzled by your presence here, like the others have said. Obviously, preference in cars is a matter of taste and choice and the '8 isn't for you so why are you here?

I and almost everyone I know think the '8 is underpriced. People who see it for the first time consistently guess it's priced in the $40's so yes, I think it's underpriced for what you get. For me, the flashy looks and gizmo's rank high on why I like the car, and the performance is all that I need and more. I would have bought the car for up to $38K (fully loaded like I got.)

Well Ike, I am not going to defend you this time! They all raise valid posts as to why you are here. You are not buying the car, not anything more to learn, maybe its time to go?

It seems my attempts to help you have failed.

Anyway, I have some involvement with the scca by way of a friend, and I have heard of the tranny issues, and they seem to be somewere between the two opinions here. We know that both mitsu and sub have been compiling lists of people racing the cars, and are denying warrenty cliams on this basis.

I would rather take a 9 HP loss, then be spied on.

And indulge me, what type of kart do you race, and where?

Originally posted by vudoodoodoo
If you want a true sports car from Mazda, get an RX-7.

I have a true sports car. My RX-8 has sucessfully beaten 4 RX-7's now, even the one that was supped up.

Originally posted by greenrino


I have a true sports car. My RX-8 has sucessfully beaten 4 RX-7's now, even the one that was supped up.

Noobie on the forum. Welcome to the club, greenrino, and keep checking those RX-7s out... in your rearview mirror!

It's an old post that should not have been bumped, I had just recently test driven the car and was really disappointed. I came off strong on the post and said what I felt at the time, if you guys would like to attack me at least do so about things I've said recently.


Ike

Originally posted by IkeWRX
It's an old post that should not have been bumped, I had just recently test driven the car and was really disappointed. I came off strong on the post and said what I felt at the time, if you guys would like to attack me at least do so about things I've said recently.

Old post indeed, from your days of youthful indiscretion... like 3 weeks ago. You say it's what you "felt at the time"; does this mean you now believe Mazda is a fine company and the '8 is an awesome car? If not, we'll keep razzing you about your posts as long as they reflect your current beliefs.


Originally posted by IkeWRX
I don't think the car is worth what they are selling them for now considering the performance I experienced on my test drives. But I buy a car for performance first, some torque would be nice, flashy looks, and neat little gizmos being pretty far down on the list. For instance I will never own a car with a sunroof because it adds weight, same with power seats if I can help it, nope no leather for me. It's become very clear the RX-8 was not made for what I look for in a car. In fact I had a Mazda MX6 that was a lot of fun to drive around as a kid, but overall it was total piece of crap.

I've lost faith in Mazda, I doubt I will ever consider another car of theirs again. They are always so good at teasing me with nice designs, and interesting concepts but they always come up short and blow something (usually in the power department)

OK, it was an old post. I wasn't trying to be mean, just stating what I have observed. My older brother used to have a RX-7 and it was great. He now has a 911 and plans on smoking me on thankgiving. Maybe, we'll see.

My dealer told me they were increasing also. It is possible. I read in an auto journal about the increases expected from Europeon Makes and Japanese as well and prices CAN change in a model year.

Maybe they'll come out with a model '04 1/2 with other improvements, and then raise the price?

Originally posted by 8_wannabe


Old post indeed, from your days of youthful indiscretion... like 3 weeks ago. You say it's what you "felt at the time"; does this mean you now believe Mazda is a fine company and the '8 is an awesome car? If not, we'll keep razzing you about your posts as long as they reflect your current beliefs.




I pretty much feel the same way, people were bothered by what I said the first time and no one is bringing up anything new by quoting things I said 3 weeks ago. I said what I felt, people commented, I've since explained why I come to the site over and over again yet, so there's no need to take an old quote of mine and ask for the 10th time why I'm here. I may have said some things people with 8s don't like but I really only said the car wasn't for me, there's no need to take pot shots at my car yet again since it's been continually done on the site. The 8 is an awesome car for some of you guys that bought it, not for me, if that's something you want to razz someone about go for it, I'm sure there are plenty of people around that don't think something else you own is good for them, maybe you should go razz them as well.

Ike

Originally posted by IkeWRX


I pretty much feel the same way, people were bothered by what I said the first time and no one is bringing up anything new by quoting things I said 3 weeks ago. I said what I felt, people commented, I've since explained why I come to the site over and over again yet, so there's no need to take an old quote of mine and ask for the 10th time why I'm here.

Ok, fair enough. I don't really feel like going through all your old posts so maybe you can reiterate one more time why you feel compelled to haunt a forum for a car you don't like and take potshots at it in the face of people who really do admire the car. Then I'll get off your case.

Originally posted by IkeWRX



I came here in the first place because I was excited about the car. Then I started considering it for my girlfriend as the release got closer or maybe even myself if I liked it that much. I really do like the car, but I guess only in someone elses driveway at this point.

I haven't been posting much since I decided the RX-8 wasn't the car for me or my girlfriend, but I've still been reading to boards from time to time. These boards have some of the most loyal and blinded fans, rotary enthusiasts, trolls, some people just trying to learn about their new purchases, and some car enthusiasts. I would say I fall into the later category, but with what's been going on with the RX-8 certainly makes for an interesting dynamic on these boards. I love all types of cars and I am loyal to the WRX, but I by no means think it's perfect or even close to it. I also belong to some other boards for various reasons, I mainly just enjoy learning about cars...

Chuck, the Miata is a hell of a car for autox and I've discussed purchasing one along with my father for autox on more than one ocassion since the way WRXs are don't make for ideal autox car. However, I wouldn't want to drive one daily nor could the Miata hang with my WRX on a real track (or on the street), which I have in the past and will be going to next season. The tight low MPH turns on an autox track catter to cars such as the Miata, the WRX is to easy to get out of the sweet spot on low speed turns when in stock form. The cat configurations make the WRX a much better candidate for non stock classes so I'm just going to continue to mod and race in one of those classes next season.

Vudooodooodooo, I already own a kart so I won't be getting an Elise :p, but I've been seriously considering upgrading to an STi or Evo, but I've decided to mod my WRX and wait a couple years for now. The RX-7... I love that car but no way in hell I would touch a used one, I just don't see engines as disposable parts. Defend the RX-7 all you want, but I've looked at used ones many times for a few years now and it's almost impossible to find one that's hasn't had to replace the engine at least once.


Ike


Haven't been posting much, huh?

371 is so little. Why bother if 371 posts is all you can come up with. You do post extremely often. Either you like the car, you hate the car, or you have nothing better to do with your time.

See Ike? Its not just me. I wonder, should I repost that message were I traced your history of nasty rx comments?

No, I think not

I just wish you would get the message, You can not insult people, then be polite, and expect them to forget it.

Let me put it another way: lets say I punch you in the face every day you come to work for one week. When you go home, you find I have been sleeping with your girl (Who I am sure is very nice and chaste, not ment as an attack.) On friday, I say "you know, I really did not mean it that way, I want to start fresh. I really like your girl, and wanted to show it. I really like you, and show that by punching you" Would you forgive and forget? I think not

Dramatic example, but perhaps it will help you understand.

I could always use one syllable words and draw stick figures, if it would help.

Originally posted by klegg
Let me put it another way: lets say I punch you in the face every day you come to work for one week. When you go home, you find I have been sleeping with your girl (Who I am sure is very nice and chaste, not ment as an attack.) On friday, I say "you know, I really did not mean it that way, I want to start fresh. I really like your girl, and wanted to show it. I really like you, and show that by punching you" Would you forgive and forget? I think not

Dramatic example, but perhaps it will help you understand.

I could always use one syllable words and draw stick figures, if it would help.

Ouch!

Originally posted by 8_wannabe


Ouch!

Yeah I know, harsh. The problem is ike is intelligent, and could be a good contributer, if he could just stay away from that "DARK PLACE' he falls into.

Search my old posts, you will see were I went through his, and posted a lot of little snippets. Tells you everything you need to know.

I have some kart experiance, I still would like to know what track he runs. Just for giggles.

Geeze guys, ease up on Ike. A little dissent should be welcomed. It can strengthen your conviction if the person's facts are untrue or if their claims unsupported by fact. Opinions about looks or price are simply too subjective to get exorcised over although nothing wrong if you disagree.

Some of you may be taking Ike's comments too seriously. I don't think he means any disrespect and he often offers interesting counterpoints. Unfortunately critical comments can come across much harsher than intended when written.

Btw, I'm bummed with the price increase talk. Not only will the vehicle registration fee triple here in CA in October, but a price increase for the 8 price, too? Not worried enough that I will go out this weekend and purchase an 8 without waiting for the other car I want to see, the 04 TL.

You have only been here a little while, stay a few months to truly grasp the "IKE experiance"

Hehe, ok, Klegg. You got a point about me being a noob here.

The "Ike Experience." That's a good one.

Most of you seem to tolerate him well enough, though.

Yeah, he is like the idiot/savant relative that your aunt brings to the house every thanksgiving. You try to be nice, but then he smears feces on the wall, then you realize it looks just like the mona lisa. Now, do you get made cuse there is shit on the wall, or are you happy, cuse you have an exact copy of the monalisa?

You know what, even I do not know were I am going with this.

Just bought two 6MT RX-8s. One on 9-09, one on 9-19. Price did not change from those quoted in July.

Originally posted by klegg
Yeah, he is like the idiot/savant relative that your aunt brings to the house every thanksgiving. You try to be nice, but then he smears feces on the wall, then you realize it looks just like the mona lisa. Now, do you get made cuse there is shit on the wall, or are you happy, cuse you have an exact copy of the monalisa?

You know what, even I do not know were I am going with this.

ROFLMAO :D

Originally posted by klegg
Yeah, he is like the idiot/savant relative that your aunt brings to the house every thanksgiving. You try to be nice, but then he smears feces on the wall, then you realize it looks just like the mona lisa. Now, do you get made cuse there is shit on the wall, or are you happy, cuse you have an exact copy of the monalisa?

You know what, even I do not know were I am going with this.

You need therapy!
:D

Just bought two 6MT RX-8s. One on 9-09, one on 9-19

You will need to keep us posted on how different the 'twins' become.


You know what, even I do not know were I am going with this.

And you still decided to post. Are you letting the voices in your head take over ? :)

Sure will....

Mine, the black one, has more trany noise than the wife's. Mine has 1500 miles, wife's has 450.

I did take it back in because I was concerned that it was rough getting into 1st and 2nd. They check the hydro fluid. I am a little concerned that trany may be low on oil or something but who knows...

Car is so new, I have not had time to find out how to check trany myself.

Any advise from the gang is appreciated.

by the by, a lot of the dealers in the Tampa area were trying to get a $3000.00 ADM. I found one that was doing straight MSRP, but no deals. How does this compare to other places in US?

Originally posted by Twin 8s!
by the by, a lot of the dealers in the Tampa area were trying to get a $3000.00 ADM. I found one that was doing straight MSRP, but no deals. How does this compare to other places in US?

From what I've been reading in this forum, most major cities have a scummy dealer or two jacking up the price up to $3000 above MSRP. In every case, if you shop around you'll find someone else selling at sticker. A small percentage of people here have gotten below sticker, maybe $500 or $1000 off.

Dealer in Chicago area surburbs hinted at $1000 below list to me. It is getting to be that time of year in Chicago, where 'sports cars' are becoming out-of-vogue for the season. There are certainly quite a few on the lot and they admitted that RX8's are not moving as fast as they'd like.

Speaking of dealers, I must say that I was less than impressed with how I was treated by the Sales Manager of the Mazda dealership. I pulled in one very slow night in my old Audi and the sales manager told me that if I'd wanted to test drive, I should come back in 45 minutes as their 'tester' was out. Turns out that was not true, as a salesman catches me eyeing a black RX8 on my way out - ends up offering me a test drive 5 minutes later. No 'test drive' car returned to the lot, as the car I test drove was cold (per temp gauge). The salesman was a great guy and took time to show me the car and even offered to drive the car to my house to show it to my wife. 3 days later my wife and I drove up to the dealership in our E-class Mercedes and the Sales Manager greets us with open arms and says "anything you want...", with no recollection of my having been there a few nights ago!


BTW: this has been a learning experience; ie. dealing with online discussion forums - did not mean to 'flame' all you RX8 fans with a first post! Just accidentally 'aired' some of my decision making process online. Thanks for the feedback about the 'perceived problems' with the RX8.

I'm reading a range of prices on the Rx-8, from $1000 over invoice to $3000 over MSRP. I'm getting my pre-ordered car at MSRP and so I'm wondering if I should try to negotiate the price even though I've pre-ordered it already with the price in writing with the manager's signature? How many of you are honestly getting below MSRP and by how much? How much would you guys suggest negotiating for?

Well, if everything goes as planned, I'll put down the deposit for my car on Wednesday. The offer on the table is 700 over invoice, which seems to be pretty good. This offer was accepted by more than one dealer, btw.

I'm crossing my fingers that nothing will mess up the deal :D

That's pretty good; as I've posted before here in the Denver area there's exactly one dealer willing to even go as low as MSRP...

Ahh yes....Negative IKE strikes again!

Originally posted by asparapani
Ahh yes....Negative IKE strikes again!

That's funny!

This guy 'Ike' IS very annoying I noticed. I don't have much to do with RX-8 nor WRX. I am just a fan of cars and everytime I run into his post... just get irritated.

Maybe he needs to change his ID to something like "yikes!"

Originally posted by Twin 8s!
Just bought two 6MT RX-8s. One on 9-09, one on 9-19. Price did not change from those quoted in July.

Would you adopt me??
Now on-topic: Do you think this guys would dare to raise MSRP on the car?? If they do, I think we can say bye-bye to the new 7 and any near future rotary development. I bought the car simply because it offered a fair share of performance and ammenities at a fraction of what other 'big boys' have in the market. After all, isn't that what Mazda is: Cheap thrills?? fast-fun-cars??
Wasn't one of the 7s causes of death an ever increasing price?

I don't know if the 8 is under or over priced. I really don't care. It fit the bill for my wife and me.

SIDE NOTE: Leave Ike alone for Gs & Cs sake. Klegg, as you said (I think,) the guy's intelligent. I give you, he doesn't care too much for politeness sometimes; but most the times he's joking. Take jokes as what they are. Was he dissapointed when he got back from the test drive? yes, apparently he was. So what?? doesn't he have the right to? He bothers you? Maybe you haven't noticed, but his posts have changed quite radically, don't you think? HE WOULDN'T BUY AN 8; BUT HE IS NOT CALLING US 'NUMB-NUTTS' FOR DOING SO. AND THERE ARE SO MANY MORE DESTRUCTIVE PEOPLE HERE.

[back to normal speech] You have your opinions, I have mines and Ike's got his. Nobody is here to brainwash anyone. I won't change my mind about something I own because somone else doesn't like it. Hell! Enzo Ferrari could be bashing the 8 from his grave: I WOULDN'T CARE!

Live in peace! please!...at least try.

[shutz, I gotta get my flame suit zipper up....shietz!]