Has anyone watched this months issue of Best Motoring? They tested the MAZDASPEED RX-8 up against the s2000, the rsx type-R, the new Volkswagon R32, and some new Alfa Romeo car.. Well considering past tests done by the guys at Best Motoring against other cars, this test begs to differ. They raced it at TSUKUBA and the RX-8 came in first. It had a time attack lap time of 1"09 and the S2000 came in second followed by the R32 then the TYPE-R and then the Alfa Romeo. Besides all that I think that the R32 was hyped up quite a bit...couldn't even get close to the S2000 let alone catching up to the RX-8...

What month is that? is it the August? Or september? Because the August Best motoring mostly covers Ferraris. Cheers

Or Btw how about you rip it for us :D

What was done to the RX-8? Nitrous?? hehehe

It cares to share.. any BM Vid is great, those guys are awesome.

Its actually the September issue. I usually buy them from a Japanese video store in Carson Ca. The RX-8 had whatever was available from MAZDASPEED. There are many people on this forum that claim the MAZDASPEED muffler has no HP gains only db gains. From the looks of it it might have made a certain amount of power. I believe the motor was stock...besides the muffler but there was major detail to be seen in the suspension dept. The MAZDASPEED strut bar, rear lower tie braces, i'm not sure what kind of damping system he was using. The 8 was also using Yokohama Advan Neova AD07'S.But other than that, the 8 was able to beat the S2000 by 2-3 seconds. But even by running 1"09 TIME ATTACK at TSUKUBA thats pretty quick considering the motor was stock and was running full interior.

Hi thanks for the reply.
But Do they have any online shop? I wish to buy the DVD as well thanks.

RX-8 A-Spec Parts List:

Aero Parts:
Font Nose
Side Skirt Kit
Rear Under Spoiler
Rear Wing
B Pillar Garnish

Functional Parts:
Shock Absorber
Sports Spring Set
Front Stabilizer
Rear Stabilizer
Front Brake Pads Set
Rear Brake Pads set
Front Sway Bar
Rear Sway Bar
Performance Baset?
Sports Muffler
Light Weight Flywheel
Light Weight Wheels MS-01S
Center Cap for wheels

Interior:
Misc. not-so-important stuff

Tires: (cost not included in total price)
Advan Neova AD07
*Perhapd the most important mod here

Here is the real interesting part: Total cost for the Mazdaspeed KIT (by it self) is 1541601 yen which equates to $12,300+ USD. The Advan Neova tires are not cheap either. Add that to the base price of the Type-S RX-8 you have a Performance Machine costing $45k.....

My copy is currently in the post - been waiting to see it since I read about it on the Best Motoring site a few weeks back.

Have you seen the last Hot Version DVD too? They had the Fujita Engineering RX-8 up against tuned Honda Accord, 350Z, Altezza, and it came first in that test too.


You can get all the DVDs from www.toyeast.com if you can't find them locally.


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But wait! how can the RX-8 be first place if it cant beat any of those cars in a 1/4 mile or 0-60? It must be Mazda conspiring to sell more shitty RX-8's!

[/SARCASM OFF] Sorry, couldnt help myself. I've been brainwashed.

I've seen those DVD's on ebay a bunch. I take it from peoples comments they are worth buying then? Only 10 bucks if I remember right.

Hi!

If you want Best Motoring / Hot Version Videos, get them on excelent quality VCD's and much cheaper at:


http://www.tuningpt.com/bestmotoring/en/bestmotoring.htm


Over 100 videos, and also Drift Tengoku / Option stuff...

About the RX-8... I really don't understand all the people talking down on it. It's a great car, it goes really fast for the type of car it is... remember that the RX-8 is NOT a new RX-7. The new RX-7 is coming soon... :)

Anyway, the RX-8 is very very very good at driving enjoyment, something that many other faster cars don't have...

Best regards, and enjoy your driving!

I have the March 2003 edition of Best Motoring on vcd. Got to see an ex-japanese race car driver take the 8 through the Laguna Seca. (1:50.70) For those of you who haven't seen something similar to this, it shows the footwork, tach/speedometer, and gear-shifting of the driver simultaneously so you can see exactly how he drives. Man, watching someone like this drive is an inspiration and makes you realize the amount of practice and skill it requires to drive 'well'. :D Anyway, his lap time was 1:50.70. Maybe someone can say whether or not this is a good time.

One thing i noticed was that the driver consistently takes the 8 to 9300-9500rpm before he shifts and the car pulls very strongly until the gear change. On another note, when he heel&toes it's pretty obvious the revs go beyond 9500rpm (gotta love the rotary!). Anyway, with all the ruckus with the North American dynoed 8's the Japanese version of the car sure seems to deliver the high-end punch expected from a car like this. From a qualitative perspective anyway.

No offense intended, but if the race you saw was part of the "Battle" part of the video, we can't conclude with confidence (especially if it's 1-2 seconds) which car is indeed faster at the track since BM does the racing with different drivers in each car. Nevertheless, it is entertaining :D

Btw, is there a thread on the forum discussing the s2000 vs rx8? I'm supposed to be getting my 8 very soon, but with all this hp controversy I'm considering a used s2k once again. Don't bash me plz :P I haven't test driven the 8 yet though, that'll be the deciding factor.

Originally posted by XDEEDUBBX
Has anyone watched this months issue of Best Motoring? They tested the MAZDASPEED RX-8 up against the s2000, the rsx type-R, the new Volkswagon R32, and some new Alfa Romeo car.. Well considering past tests done by the guys at Best Motoring against other cars, this test begs to differ. They raced it at TSUKUBA and the RX-8 came in first. It had a time attack lap time of 1"09 and the S2000 came in second followed by the R32 then the TYPE-R and then the Alfa Romeo. Besides all that I think that the R32 was hyped up quite a bit...couldn't even get close to the S2000 let alone catching up to the RX-8...

No offense intended, but if the race you saw was part of the "Battle" part of the video, we can't conclude with confidence (especially if it's 1-2 seconds) which car is indeed faster at the track since BM does the racing with different drivers in each car. Nevertheless, it is entertaining

hmmmm not quite, because all drivers are professionals. Of course they are different, but surely a time difference of 1 second, or even 2 seconds, can't be because of the drivers... they are all pros, so they should make very similar times, within decimals of each other, with the same car on the same track...

But sure, it would be optimal if the driver was allways the same... and then another problem could be found... driver mood changes every minute... and there are not many perfect laps from the same driver on the same day... etc etc...

Not much of an argument :)


Btw, is there a thread on the forum discussing the s2000 vs rx8? I'm supposed to be getting my 8 very soon, but with all this hp controversy I'm considering a used s2k once again. Don't bash me plz :P I haven't test driven the 8 yet though, that'll be the deciding factor.

What's the point? Yes, the S2000 is faster. So what? The cars are so completely different that sometimes it seems so strange that they would even be compared so many times...

Enjoy your driving!

Good point, can't really compare the cars since there's nothing out there that's like the 8! *IF*, however, it wasn't for the 4 seats, the s2k would probably be the closest-matched car to the 8 in terms of handling, power/weight, and the fact that they're screamers (what all performance cars should be) :) I just found Hercules' thread regarding his 1st-hand comparison of the s2k and the 8. It was really helpful and hopefully I'll end up with the same opinion :D


Originally posted by SergioPT

What's the point? Yes, the S2000 is faster. So what? The cars are so completely different that sometimes it seems so strange that they would even be compared so many times...

Enjoy your driving!

Could somebody rip that race vid. so we can all watch it? :D

If someone could reply with a link to a freeware vcd editor I'd be happy to rip a clip of the driver 'in cockpit' taking the 8 through the laguna seca solo. A *must* see for any rx-8 lover :)

Originally posted by Haris
Could somebody rip that race vid. so we can all watch it? :D

Originally posted by SergioPT
Hi!

If you want Best Motoring / Hot Version Videos, get them on excelent quality VCD's and much cheaper at:


http://www.tuningpt.com/bestmotoring/en/bestmotoring.htm


Over 100 videos, and also Drift Tengoku / Option stuff...

About the RX-8... I really don't understand all the people talking down on it. It's a great car, it goes really fast for the type of car it is... remember that the RX-8 is NOT a new RX-7. The new RX-7 is coming soon... :)

Anyway, the RX-8 is very very very good at driving enjoyment, something that many other faster cars don't have...

Best regards, and enjoy your driving!


Admittedly they are better priced, but ToyEast do sell the DVDs as well as the VCDs which are better quality. Depends how fussed you are tho! :D


-andy-

Originally posted by Genom
But wait! how can the RX-8 be first place if it cant beat any of those cars in a 1/4 mile or 0-60? It must be Mazda conspiring to sell more shitty RX-8's!

[/SARCASM OFF] Sorry, couldnt help myself. I've been brainwashed.

I've seen those DVD's on ebay a bunch. I take it from peoples comments they are worth buying then? Only 10 bucks if I remember right.

1/4???? this is a circuit track...not for drag racing...when circuit racing especially at tsukuba 1/4 mile times don't mean shit...its mainly about skill, tires, and suspension set up...i've see 86 160hp corollas beat the pants off GTR'S with 300hp...

Originally posted by alfredo_mancho
No offense intended, but if the race you saw was part of the "Battle" part of the video, we can't conclude with confidence (especially if it's 1-2 seconds) which car is indeed faster at the track since BM does the racing with different drivers in each car. Nevertheless, it is entertaining :D

Btw, is there a thread on the forum discussing the s2000 vs rx8? I'm supposed to be getting my 8 very soon, but with all this hp controversy I'm considering a used s2k once again. Don't bash me plz :P I haven't test driven the 8 yet though, that'll be the deciding factor.



2 seconds not a big difference? okay take this por example..when drag racing is it better to run in the 10's or the 12's?? if you did your research and knew anything about TSUKUBA running a 1"09 is still pretty quick considering nothing major is done to the engine but only making mods to the suspension..

I have the Battle from the Hot Version DVD (vol 63?) of the Fujita Engineering RX-8 against tuned 350Z, Accord and Altezza...

If someone else can host it I'll post up where they can download it from me. I'd offer my link to everyone, but I can't afford to take the bandwidth hit.


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Originally posted by alfredo_mancho
I have the March 2003 edition of Best Motoring on vcd. Got to see an ex-japanese race car driver take the 8 through the Laguna Seca. (1:50.70) For those of you who haven't seen something similar to this, it shows the footwork, tach/speedometer, and gear-shifting of the driver simultaneously so you can see exactly how he drives. Man, watching someone like this drive is an inspiration and makes you realize the amount of practice and skill it requires to drive 'well'. :D Anyway, his lap time was 1:50.70. Maybe someone can say whether or not this is a good time.

1:50.70 is an incredibly good time for Laguna Seca, especially considering it was on the shitty stock RE040s... keep that in mind next time some troll tries to talk shit about the RX-8. :D

Originally posted by XDEEDUBBX


2 seconds not a big difference? okay take this por example..when drag racing is it better to run in the 10's or the 12's?? if you did your research and knew anything about TSUKUBA running a 1"09 is still pretty quick considering nothing major is done to the engine but only making mods to the suspension..

I wouldn't say nothing major.....


RX-8 A-Spec Parts List:

Aero Parts:
Font Nose
Side Skirt Kit
Rear Under Spoiler
Rear Wing
B Pillar Garnish

Functional Parts:
Shock Absorber
Sports Spring Set
Front Stabilizer
Rear Stabilizer
Front Brake Pads Set
Rear Brake Pads set
Front Sway Bar
Rear Sway Bar
Performance Baset?
Sports Muffler
Light Weight Flywheel
Light Weight Wheels MS-01S
Center Cap for wheels

Interior:
Misc. not-so-important stuff

Tires: (cost not included in total price)
Advan Neova AD07
*Perhapd the most important mod here

Here is the real interesting part: Total cost for the Mazdaspeed KIT (by it self) is 1541601 yen which equates to $12,300+ USD. The Advan Neova tires are not cheap either. Add that to the base price of the Type-S RX-8 you have a Performance Machine costing $45k.


1"09 is mighty good time on Tsukuba indeed, that reminds me of a certain coupe that got those times back in May. :D However, If you consider the $40-45k price tag that does 1"09 on race tires....... then well~

Wonder what competitors do just to get a ballpark comparison?

p.s. Like your sig, another good reason to *invest* (moreso depreciate) my money into a car rather than a house :)

Originally posted by m477

1:50.70 is an incredibly good time for Laguna Seca, especially considering it was on the shitty stock RE040s... keep that in mind next time some troll tries to talk shit about the RX-8. :D

bwah.... anyone out there kind enuff to rip it for us to see? :P

Which one? I have the solo run through Laguna Seca and some with the same driver doing 'casual' runs through somewhere. Need a vcd editor though


Originally posted by Mockngbrd
bwah.... anyone out there kind enuff to rip it for us to see? :P

Originally posted by Skyline Maniac


I wouldn't say nothing major.....


RX-8 A-Spec Parts List:

Aero Parts:
Font Nose
Side Skirt Kit
Rear Under Spoiler
Rear Wing
B Pillar Garnish

Functional Parts:
Shock Absorber
Sports Spring Set
Front Stabilizer
Rear Stabilizer
Front Brake Pads Set
Rear Brake Pads set
Front Sway Bar
Rear Sway Bar
Performance Baset?
Sports Muffler
Light Weight Flywheel
Light Weight Wheels MS-01S
Center Cap for wheels

Interior:
Misc. not-so-important stuff

Tires: (cost not included in total price)
Advan Neova AD07
*Perhapd the most important mod here

Here is the real interesting part: Total cost for the Mazdaspeed KIT (by it self) is 1541601 yen which equates to $12,300+ USD. The Advan Neova tires are not cheap either. Add that to the base price of the Type-S RX-8 you have a Performance Machine costing $45k.


1"09 is mighty good time on Tsukuba indeed, that reminds me of a certain coupe that got those times back in May. :D However, If you consider the $40-45k price tag that does 1"09 on race tires....... then well~


Or you can get the base manual rx8, spend money on only actual performance parts, and have a car about the same price as an s2000 with better performance and much more practicality.

we are dying for the links...

its so painful to watch rx-8 getting passed by RSX-R in previous vids...

plz...show us the light!!!
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There is no "pain" in watching the Honda Integra Type R beat the RX-8 on a track like Tsukuba... or any other track for that matter...

Remember the Type R is a machine totaly honed to face track work... that's the main goal of the car. And, Honda achieved that goal briliantly, because the Type R is really very very very good at it.

I'm not sure about this, but maybe the japanese spec Honda Integra Type R is quite different from the Acura RSX... maybe the suspension setup is different, or something else equally important...

Please stop talking about the RX-8 as if it was some kind of Track Special... it's just a confortable saloon, very nicely detailed, with a "sporty" engine... and yes, it is fast enough, and it delivers great driving pleasure :)

So, just remember, if the RX-8 was setup towards track racing, it would be very good, because the potential is there to be explored. But as a comercial product, Mazda didn't want to do that.

This "Mazdaspeed RX-8" is just a little proof of that... and more will come, soon. I expect great things from the next RX-7... if the rumours are true :)

Enjoy your driving!

We were supposed to have Rx-8 comparable to S2k performance wise...and now even a RSX Type R can spank it on a straight line...

and wheres the rip plz...
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Originally posted by Genom
But wait! how can the RX-8 be first place if it cant beat any of those cars in a 1/4 mile or 0-60? It must be Mazda conspiring to sell more shitty RX-8's!

[/SARCASM OFF] Sorry, couldnt help myself. I've been brainwashed.

I've seen those DVD's on ebay a bunch. I take it from peoples comments they are worth buying then? Only 10 bucks if I remember right.

heh heh. I was getting ready to flame.

I think it's only fair that the Mazdaspeed RX8 be compared to other tuned cars. It's just not fair to compare a tuned car to factory cars.

A lot of cars are slower than the Integra Type-R (II) on Tsukuba... some nice machinery too... check it out:

1,08,04 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR2 220cv) 121 - -

1,08,04 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (964 3.6l 250cv) 113 - -
1,08,06 Porsche 911 Carrera (996 300cv) 072 - -
1,08,09 Subaru Legacy S401 Sti Version (293cv) 122 - -
1,08,10 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II RS (260cv) 023 - -
1,08,17 BMW Z3 M Roadster (321cv) 079 - -
1,08,17 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti (New Age 2001 280cv) 122 - -
1,08,46 Toyota Supra 019 - -
1,08,48 BMW M3 (321cv) 053 - -
1,08,89 Nissan Silvia Spec-R (S15 250cv) 076 - -
1,08,89 Porsche 911 Carrera (993) 072 - -
1,08,90 Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst (MKIII 255cv) 039 - -
1,08,96 Honda S2000 (250cv) 094 - -
1,08,98 Honda Civic Type-R (CTR2 2.0l 215cv) 121 - -
1,09,16 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR1 200cv) 081 - -
1,09,27 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R32) 023 - -
1,09,36 Toyota MR2 GT-S (MKII 245cv) 023 - -
1,09,40 BMW M3 (E46 343cv) 119 - -
1,09,44 Porsche Boxster S (3.2l 252cv) 091 - -
1,09,50 Ferrari 348TB 032 - -
1,09,70 Lotus Elise (MKI 118cv) 094 - -
1,09,72 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Nissan 350Z 280cv) 119 - -

Is it clear now how track focused the Type-R is?

i am talking about straight line...i know its not rx-8 strong points...but still...
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A lot of cars are slower than the Integra Type-R (II) on Tsukuba... some nice machinery too... check it out:

1,08,04 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR2 220cv) 121 - -

------------1,08,04 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (964 3.6l 250cv) 113 - -
1,08,06 Porsche 911 Carrera (996 300cv) 072 - -
1,08,09 Subaru Legacy S401 Sti Version (293cv) 122 - -
1,08,10 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II RS (260cv) 023 - -
1,08,17 BMW Z3 M Roadster (321cv) 079 - -
1,08,17 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti (New Age 2001 280cv) 122 - -
1,08,46 Toyota Supra 019 - -
1,08,48 BMW M3 (321cv) 053 - -
1,08,89 Nissan Silvia Spec-R (S15 250cv) 076 - -
1,08,89 Porsche 911 Carrera (993) 072 - -
1,08,90 Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst (MKIII 255cv) 039 - -
1,08,96 Honda S2000 (250cv) 094 - -
1,08,98 Honda Civic Type-R (CTR2 2.0l 215cv) 121 - -
1,09,16 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR1 200cv) 081 - -
1,09,27 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R32) 023 - -
1,09,36 Toyota MR2 GT-S (MKII 245cv) 023 - -
1,09,40 BMW M3 (E46 343cv) 119 - -
1,09,44 Porsche Boxster S (3.2l 252cv) 091 - -
1,09,50 Ferrari 348TB 032 - -
1,09,70 Lotus Elise (MKI 118cv) 094 - -
1,09,72 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Nissan 350Z 280cv) 119 - -

Is it clear now how track focused the Type-R is?-------

Hmmmm, I'm a pretty big fan of the Tsukuba circuit.
Well designed Twisties and long Straight-aways. What's not to like.
So I find it odd that the Bathurst edition of the Mazda RX-7 only ran a 1,08,90.
When I have seen RZ and RS models run in the 1,05,90's...
The same track can yield many different results depending on conditions like rain, a headache or the end of the world.
But for the most part I wouldn't put an RX-7 Bathurst edition as a 1,08 car on that track. I have one video where an RX-7 runs 1,08 but he broke down during that very race. In that very video a Supra RZ manages to run 106,75. If you were to put an RX-7 or even that Supra RZ in the very same race as the Type R, and G35 it wouldn't be pretty. Mind you I know of the Type R and it is a track tuned monster. It probably has about the same horsepower to the wheels as an RX-8 and weighs considerably less. Most performance enthusiast on the board here initially heard the 250ps horsepower for the RX-8 and immediately placed the performance of this car on a much higher scale.
Losing to a Type R doesn't warrant any shame I agree with you on that one.
But I wouldn't place the Type R's best times with the worst time from other sports cars. Heck when you really think about it the old Type R managed to break into the 108's in Tsukuba. At least that's what Best Motoring said in one of their video's.....
The video where you got most of your times I belive I have.
The track was really wet and infact most of the cars had thier wipers on. You can't compare dry and wet track times.

Silverpgt94, those times are the best times for those cars on Tsukuba, and this means, from all the tsukuba runs I've had video access to.

We are talking about 70 Best Motoring Japan VCD's that I own, and I've been collecting laptimes from every one of them, then I put them on a list only showing the best time for each car.

The problem is... I have maybe 5 battles with the Type-R, and the Bathurst is on only one battle probably...

These times are not the absolut truth, of course :) For all the reasons you posted...

But, it is a fact that these are most likely the best times ever achieved by Best Motoring Japan for those cars on Tsukuba... if the Supra does any better than that, i don't know, because on all the battles I have that's the best time they made ... and the same for all the cars...

Check out my VCD's:

http://www.tuningpt.com/bestmotoring/en/bestmotoring.htm

I forgot... about the Supra, there are many different models. Here are some more lap times for other Supra models (some are tuned):

1,07,32 VeilSide Evolution Supra (540cv Toyota) 019 -
1,07,66 Toyota Supra RZ 053 - -
1,07,76 Toyota Supra RZ-S 042 - -
1,08,61 ADVOX Toyota Supra RZ (280cv) 074 - Sim
1,11,09 Toyota Supra SZ-R (n/a 225cv) 032 - -

You can see the full lists, with over 200 cars, here:

http://www.tuningpt.com/store/tsukuba.htm

I'll be updating that list soon. Remember, I put only the best times for each car on that list.

Enjoy your driving :)

You have quite a collection. But you are missing some key videos of these cars and thier best runs. Lets link up with Aol Instant Messenger so I can send you some of my files. I do not have the same vcd count as you no where near but to my knowledge the only Type R that will give an RX-7 a run for its money would have to be the first production 3rd gen's running 2nd gen motor. I also have a video of Gansan in an RX-7 beating Two NSX's One Skyline R34 GTR V-SPEC and two evo's from which one broke down.

The RX-7 is faster than the Integra ehehhe don't worry. Remember that Bathurst edition is just 255hp, not 280hp like the other RX-7...

Check out these times:

1,03,01 KNIGHT Sports 7 Special Edition (RX-7 MKIII 402cv) 071 - Sim
1,04,88 Mazda RX-7 Type RS (MKIII 280cv) 074 - -
1,05,45 Mazda RX-7 Type R (MKIII 280cv) 074 - -
1,05,87 KNIGHT Sports RX-7 Final Evolution (MKIII 420cv) 043 - Sim
1,06,36 Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (MKIII 265cv) 042 - -
1,06,47 Mazda RX-7 Type RS Spirit R Typa-A (MKIII 280cv) 114 - -
1,06,55 Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst R (MKIII 280cv) 111 - -
1,07,44 Mazda RX-7 RS (MKIII 265cv) 042 - -
1,07,89 Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (MKIII 255cv) 023 - -
1,08,90 Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst (MKIII 255cv) 039 - -


And remember, some of these cars are on one Battle only... but also, some of them are raced on many many battles... naturaly, the ones that are raced more times, get to have better lap times, or at least they are more prone to get a good time one a great lap :)

Also, the times are taken from different days... that means the weather is not allways the same (temperature and humidity) and these are very important factors.

I have that video where Mr Gan San beats all others with the RX-7. That was the battle that started calling the RX-7 as the King of Tsukuba... but actually, there are better lap times for cars like the Lancer EVO and the Skyline...

These are the best lap times for 100% stock cars on Tsukuba (the ones I was able to see on video):

1,03,73 Ferrari F40 043 - -
1,04,15 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII RS (6MT) 124 - -
1,04,25 Porsche 911 GT2 Turbo CS (993 430cv) 043 - -
1,04,49 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Spec C (New Age 2003 6MT) 124 - -
1,04,57 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R34) 081 - -
1,04,62 McLaren F1 - - -
1,04,65 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO V RS 074 - -
1,04,88 Mazda RX-7 Type RS (MKIII 280cv) 074 - -

As you can see... EVO VIII, Skyline R34... and even the Impreza Spec C, are faster than the fastest RX-7 ever made.

About the Integra Type-R, this is probably the best time ever made in Best Motoring:

1,08,04 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR2 220cv) 121 - -

Better than all previous Integra generations... It is really a great lap time for that car :)


Oh well... Best Motoring Japan is just amazing stuff :) :) :) I'm totaly fanatic hehehehe

Those AWD monster are a bit faster then the 7 but only by 10th's For the most part they are pretty even. . The AWD advantage is a rough one to make up for. In conditions like rain its damn near impossible but when the conditions are fair I will always favor the 7. I have seen many races where you can clearly see the 7 pulling in those AWD cars in the straights. That awd is great for traction and coming out of those corners but they are power sappers once the wheels get rolling on the main straightaways. Heck even when they transfer the power to the front wheels in the Evo or the rear in the Skylines I still see them getting pulled in. I don't know wether its the factor of weight or the time it takes to transfer the power but the fact that the 7 can do it against those AWD speaks volumes about its chasis and power. In something completely unrelated I heard that they RX-7 3rd gen Spirit R managed to hit a 12.9 in the quarter. It didn't hit a great time in Tsukuba when tested by best motoring but the qt mile time is very interesting. Kinda gets me to thinking that Mazda said farewell to the 7 with just a little extra horsepower.
As much as I love best Motoring I will never put any faith in thier Qt mile times. Far to many discrepencies and questionable times.
But as far as track racing goes, there is nobody else Id rather see.

Best Motoring really doesn't give much importance to quarter mile times... as anyone can see on the videos, they do the runs only once for each car... or, at most, once for each pair of cars...

If you want to get a "real" best quarter mile time for a car you have to do it lots of times, to get the perfect launch, and the perfect shifts...

The launch only is the most important part... it can make a lot of difference.

So, it is clear to me that Best Motoring Japan does the quarter mile in a "light minded" way... just for comparison of the average performance of cars...

On the track it is much different :)

Another great thing about Best Motoring is the new Touge Runs from the latest Hot Version videos... really amazing stuff :) :)

Now, for the RX-7... what makes it a great car? Simple... it's very light (even lighter than the aluminium NSX), and the weight is perfectly distributed... the engine is small, light, and placed so far back that it's actually a front-mid-mounted engine (behind the front axle). what makes it a great car is the dynamics, it really handles very very very good. :) And it goes very fast also... because it's light.

I wished they offerd best motoring in the united states. I would break the knob off of the tv so no one could change the channel.
Im a pretty big enthusiast of Best Motoring and thier drivers
QT1/4 mile time asside.

bump everyday for a vid link on that mazdaspeed...

Bumping it is

Bump. Where is the link to the video?

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can somebody rip the whole video where they raced with MS RX8?

Ok thats it. I am going to local fob mall tomorrow and try to get hold of one.

i would rip the dvd for all too see but i don't know how... =( .... sorry guys..

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Here are video clips from the Sept. 2003 Best MOTORing:

format: AVI, DivX 5.04 (780 kbs), 640x480; MP3 128 kbs 44K stereo

Mazdaspeed RX-8 Detail part 1 (5 MB, 00:47 min) (http://rasterwerks.com/vid/BestMotoring_09.2003_RX-8_Mazdaspeed_A-spec_Detail_01.avi.zip)
Mazdaspeed RX-8 Detail part 2 (20 MB, 02:56 min) (http://rasterwerks.com/vid/BestMotoring_09.2003_RX-8_Mazdaspeed_A-spec_Detail_02.avi.zip)
Mazdaspeed RX-8 Tsukuba Battle (63 MB, 09:20 min) (http://rasterwerks.com/vid/BestMotoring_09.2003_RX-8_Mazdaspeed_A-spec_Tsukuba_Battle.avi.zip)
starting grid:
Volkwagen Golf R32
Alpha Romeo 147 GTA
Mazda RX-8 A-spec
Honda S2000 type V
Honda Integra Type R

Other RX-8 segments I've left out include wet weather handling comparisons, pre-race and post-race commentary, and Gan San's analysis of the Mazdaspeed RX-8. I can post these if someone here would like to provide a translation.

I'll leave these up on the server for a few weeks, unless the bandwidth load becomes too high. Mirrors are welcome as always, but please keep the filenames the same.

Thanks Gamera!

oh yea i forgot..i have it on vhs only...but thanks for posting the link..

Could someone tell me which software to use for watching the video clips? I used windows media player, but it only plays the audio, sound with no image.

If you can't see the video, you'll need the DivX codec, which you can get here:

http://download.divx.com/divx/DivX51Bundle.exe

After installing, you can use either MediaPlayer or the included DivX player.

Originally posted by XDEEDUBBX
Has anyone watched this months issue of Best Motoring? They tested the MAZDASPEED RX-8 up against the s2000, the rsx type-R, the new Volkswagon R32, and some new Alfa Romeo car.. Well considering past tests done by the guys at Best Motoring against other cars, this test begs to differ. They raced it at TSUKUBA and the RX-8 came in first. It had a time attack lap time of 1"09 and the S2000 came in second followed by the R32 then the TYPE-R and then the Alfa Romeo. Besides all that I think that the R32 was hyped up quite a bit...couldn't even get close to the S2000 let alone catching up to the RX-8...

huummm it seems it was a bit different :)

1- Mazdaspeed RX-8 A-Spec - 01,08,70 (Time Attack 01,09,02)
2- Honda S2000 Type V - 01,09,91 (Time Attack 01,09,67)
3- Honda Integra Type R - 01,11,23 (Time Attack 01,10,01)
4- Alfa Romeo 147 GTA - 01,12,07 (Time Attack 01,11,45)
5- Volkswagen Golf R32 - 01,12,09 (Time Attack 01,12,10)

Thanks for the video! :D

I wonder do anyone know what's the laps time for rx8 on July Best Motoring Issue? It would be cool if someone put that mazdaspeed rx8 in dyno. My impression is there should be not much hp gain.

Best Motoring July

Mazda RX-8 - 01,11,30

dang that MPS RX-8 has some serious cornering capabilities! On the Tsukuba Battle video at about 2:34 watch as it goes around the outside of a turn as fast as the alfa does on the inside. Very, very nice. Reminds me of the video of the RX-7 vs. Silivia vs. GTR vs. Supra where the RX-7 does the same thing to the Silivia ... :D

thanks gamera!! You Are The Greatest!!!

I think the flywheel and the stiffer springs are werry important things to change.... for racetrack's


last monday... i testdrive the new BMW M3 CSL whit 360hp... cool thing to drive on wet roads. a lot of power.. nice to handle. my reason is.... i love the RX8 more than this german superrocket. the innovative solutions are more impressive than a lot of horsepower.

2 sec faster. I think not only the mod helps, the driver made some differences too. I really think on July Besting Motor, rx8 should be on third place.

Gamera,
Once again, thanks a lot !

Originally posted by donald121
I think not only the mod helps, the driver made some differences too. I really think on July Besting Motor, rx8 should be on third place.

They have the same Drivers for the RX-8 and the S2000 as from the July Showdown.

Boy, too bad the Skyline or the Z weren't in this one Arrrgghhh......

The S2000 beat them both in July and the MS RX-8 beat the S2000 by 5 seconds here....... argghhh....

oops, yeah...is the same driver, my bad.

Originally posted by Smoker


They have the same Drivers for the RX-8 and the S2000 as from the July Showdown.

Boy, too bad the Skyline or the Z weren't in this one Arrrgghhh......

The S2000 beat them both in July and the MS RX-8 beat the S2000 by 5 seconds here....... argghhh....

In this "fantasy" race, would the Skyline, Z, and S2000 get the suspension upgrades, the flywheel and other engine upgrades, and the race tires that the RX8 got as well? If so, I'd love to see that too!:p ....or even settle for the old stock vs. stock race

Though you all have good points. Isn't Mazdaspeed RX-8 an RX-8 you can buy from the factory? Isn't it like Mazda's version of the Type R. When you look at the Type R its also has heavy modifications which warrant its Type R badge. If you can buy it from the factory as is, then it has every right to be there. Now the tires on the other hand I would have liked to see changed It shouldn't have beat the S2000 Type V as bad as it did. I belive the tires made the biggest diffrence. But I also belive that the
RX-8 would have done really well without them. I guess we will have to stay tuned to Best Motoring to see how well the MazdaSpeed RX-8 does.

Originally posted by zthang


In this "fantasy" race, would the Skyline, Z, and S2000 get the suspension upgrades, the flywheel and other engine upgrades, and the race tires that the RX8 got as well? If so, I'd love to see that too!:p ....or even settle for the old stock vs. stock race

Yeah its a shame they already did a race between 250ps rx8 with suspension mods and a 300 hp 350z also with suspension mods and the rx8 won. The rx8 has some potential.

Originally posted by Crazyfool


Yeah its a shame they already did a race between 250ps rx8 with suspension mods and a 300 hp 350z also with suspension mods and the rx8 won. The rx8 has some potential.

They did? What or where was it? Is there a video online I can download or was it in a magazine?

....and does anybody know if the rx8 has a guage for tire pressure/oil pressure/ volts/ and MPG?? How does everyone know they're getting such crappy MPG? Dividing total miles / gallons in tank?

Well im trying to find the entire download but cant, the results are mentioned in the aftermarket section. Its hot version 63.

Hey zthang, here's the video:
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10136
Though the 8 won the race, the Z posted faster lap times. To its credit, though, the 8 *did* only have suspension mods as crazyfool said. :)

The S2000 in the video is the spec V model which is slower around the track than the regular S2000 which beat everyone last month. Too bad they didn't use the same S2000 this time ... :mad:

I seriously doubt that the Spec V model would be Slower around the track. Diffrent day = diffrent track conditions = different times. The type V is suppose to be special becuase of its handling.

I agree with you Silver... it is true that the Type V never managed a better Tsukuba time than the regular S2000 though... but that can be because of many factors :)

By the way... I believe the only major change with Type V is the assisted steering type. It was very criticised on the regular S2000, and they did some big change... maybe it changed from hydraulic to electric, or vice versa...

Hey Sergio is that your website where they sell the Best Motoring VCD's????

Bit slow, but got my DVD of this Best Motoring issue today. Didn't download the clips before since I wanted to wait til I got the DVD.

Wow!

What exactly does the Mazdaspeed RX-8 consist of, performance wise, over the standard RX-8? Lightened flywheel, exhaust.... intake?

It just seems so much faster than the standard model, which in one of the earlier issues, was passed by an S2000 like it was standing still! This time it pulls almost neck and neck.

Also, after the battle, there's some more clips (which aren't included in the rips posted above), and there's flashes of flame out of the exhausts on the downchange! Surely there's more to this car than a different rear-box and intake? lol...


Any ideas????????

I'll be posting up my own rip of the video, which will include the entire Battle DVD chapter, tonight.


-andy-

thank you andy

Originally posted by Silverpgt94
I seriously doubt that the Spec V model would be Slower around the track. Diffrent day = diffrent track conditions = different times. The type V is suppose to be special becuase of its handling.

In that Video Gansan said the Spec V S2000 has understeer problem. Not sure if it was the tires or the quick steering but, I definitely seen S2000s do better times at tsukuba than that.

I belive Sergio said it best
"it is true that the Type V never managed a better Tsukuba time than the regular S2000 though... but that can be because of many factors I believe the only major change with Type V is the assisted steering type. It was very criticised on the regular S2000, and they did some big change... maybe it changed from hydraulic to electric, or vice versa."

NONE OF the links that I have tried anywhere work for the mazdaspeed video! All expired or something? I really want to see it! -Greg

Yes please. Someone help!

I have the video of the Mazdaspeed 8 a-spec vs. s2000.
not sure how to host it.

Anyone see the OCT Best motoring video>?