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Old Jul 6, 2021 | 12:01 PM
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Mazda Refuses to Let the Rotary Engine Die

Pretty cool article around the team of 10 guys at the Hiroshimo plant who are still to this day building and shipping Rotary Engine parts.
Some of these machines they're using are still the same ones that they used back in the day to make FC parts and they still manage to not only keep them online but to churn out parts for our beloved little fire breathing cars.

Mazda Refuses To Let The Legendary Rotary Engine Die

Story by Carbuzz.com



The RX-8 went out of production in 2012 but its engine hasn't.

Production of the Mazda RX-8 ended close to a decade ago in 2012. The quirky sports car was famed not only for its unique styling but its rare 13B Renesis rotary engine. With its 9,000 rpm redline and light weight, the engine was an engineering marvel and provided the RX-8 with a distinct emotional character.

Rumors about the return of the RX-8 and the rotary engine have swirled for years but while another rotary-powered sports car hasn't materialized, the engine isn't dead. In fact, Mazda has announced that the 13B engine - or at least its key components - is still being produced.


A lengthy post on Classic Mazda shared a behind-the-scenes look at the continued production of this special engine.

"Many people don't know, but in fact, Mazda continues to manufacture rotary engines," said Tetsuya Sato who works at the Mazda Headquarters Factory. In a translation translated from Japanese, he continued: "It will be installed in new cars until the RX-8, but even after that. We continue to manufacture the 13B type repair parts and the bare engine body assembled with new parts." Essentially, this means that older RX-8s can continue to be equipped with a new rotary engine or engine parts.

The factory, which has manufactured rotary engine parts since 1973, now runs with an exceptionally small team. There are only 10 people in total and they combine to manufacture parts like the rotor housing, eccentric shaft, and side housing.


This small team manages to ship 200 to 400 rotary engine parts around the world each month.

It's heartening that as we enter the electrification era, companies like Mazda are still willing to dedicate resources to an engine that wasn't exactly renowned for either reliability or efficiency. Honda pulled a similar trick last year when it announced that parts for the classic S2000 roadster - another Japanese car with a high-revving engine - would be made more widely available.

The rotary engine may only live on as a range-extender in the new MX-30 EV but for owners who want to extend the lives of their RX-8s, Mazda is happy to help them do that.

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Old Jul 6, 2021 | 12:37 PM
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That's good news, and timely, as doubts have crept into my mind about the feasibility of sinking more money into my LY.
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Old Jul 6, 2021 | 01:08 PM
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Great news. I spent quality time over the 4th Holiday weekend revving the @#@#$^ out of my 2010 GT - here's a picture from Stowe. With about 800 miles clocked , I saw not a single RX- any where from Boston up to Burlington-Waterbury-Stowe VT and back.


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Old Jul 6, 2021 | 05:14 PM
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they started reproducing and selling *new* REW engines (3rd Gen FD3 RX7) a few years ago






as per my B@W post; helped someone finish and start up a Renesis reman engine yesterday and was pretty impressed with it. Think he bought it through Pettit. His engine core was shot and he decided to just stick with a reman rather than the additional cost of a blueprinted & balanced engine with RX7 apex seals. Even though that’s the best option, it’s a big chunk of cash to fork over.
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Old Jul 7, 2021 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by wannawankel
Great news. I spent quality time over the 4th Holiday weekend revving the @#@#$^ out of my 2010 GT - here's a picture from Stowe. With about 800 miles clocked , I saw not a single RX- any where from Boston up to Burlington-Waterbury-Stowe VT and back.


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You would have seen me if you were in eastern NY near the Mass border. I was visiting my nephew and his 911.

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Old Jul 7, 2021 | 10:44 AM
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Just out of curiosity, I Googled 'RX8 New Engine' and saw this from Mazdatrix.


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Old Jul 7, 2021 | 09:56 PM
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it says “rebuilt”, i.e. reman
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Old Jul 7, 2021 | 10:21 PM
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Stow VT and the 8!

Originally Posted by wannawankel
Great news. I spent quality time over the 4th Holiday weekend revving the @#@#$^ out of my 2010 GT - here's a picture from Stowe. With about 800 miles clocked , I saw not a single RX- any where from Boston up to Burlington-Waterbury-Stowe VT and back.


Dana in Stowe, VT
Great shot of your 8 in Stow!!! It made me remember one of the many ski trips we took there!!! Good Times -Mine is still running strong in New Jersey soon to be in Strathmere.
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Old Jul 8, 2021 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
it says “rebuilt”, i.e. reman
No specifics, but it's from the factory in Japan, has a warranty, and Banzai advertises 'remans' for basically the same price.





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Old Jul 8, 2021 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
it says “rebuilt”, i.e. reman
Right, just found a specified 'new' engine from Pineapple.
Quite a difference.



Now the question for me is, how much is too much?
Is it wise spending more than the car is worth?
Probably not in a strictly practical sense, but really, nothing's practical about an RX8.
Have to really start saving my pennies.
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Old Jul 8, 2021 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
they started reproducing and selling *new* REW engines (3rd Gen FD3 RX7) a few years ago






as per my B@W post; helped someone finish and start up a Renesis reman engine yesterday and was pretty impressed with it. Think he bought it through Pettit. His engine core was shot and he decided to just stick with a reman rather than the additional cost of a blueprinted & balanced engine with RX7 apex seals. Even though that’s the best option, it’s a big chunk of cash to fork over.
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About a $1500 difference between new and factory reman/rebuilt.
I think if one is going to invest more money into a car than it's actual worth (according to KBB or Edmunds) might as well spend the extra $1500.
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that’s a new REW engine keg for the 1993-2002 FD3S RX7TT, not an SE3P RX8 Renesis engine keg.

So not really an apples to apples comparison. I’m going to assume you missed that it’s an entirely different engine.
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Old Jul 8, 2021 | 05:49 PM
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I hope Mazda would do to the RX-cars what they are doing for the NA Miatas by offering rebuild services. Afterall, the rotary is a Mazda distinctive engine technology and performance heritage.
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Pretty damn cool, I was suprised myself when I went to rotary doctor and just got a brand new engine installed in my RX8. Thought they stopped in 2012, awesome to hear that they're still making them!
are they still making the new REW engines as TeamRx8 mentioned?
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Old Jul 9, 2021 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
that’s a new REW engine keg for the 1993-2002 FD3S RX7TT, not an SE3P RX8 Renesis engine keg.

So not really an apples to apples comparison. I’m going to assume you missed that it’s an entirely different engine.
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Yep.

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Might have to look into a REW swap one day hopefully then
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Old Jul 9, 2021 | 09:54 AM
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Thats pretty cool and interesting I can see why they are still open and cranking out parts
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Would be even cooler if they started cranking out 20b parts again
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Old Jul 9, 2021 | 01:24 PM
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Good to know Mazda maintains modest manufacturing #s of 13B core engines and components to support keeping our little guys spinning well into the future.
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except that you showed a picture of an RX7 REW engine in the post I responded to …




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Yep.
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^^^which btw, where is that from?
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
^^^which btw, where is that from?
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Pineapple Racing.
Software update on my phone is jacking with my link sharing, see if it works now.

* Still not working
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Back to the thread - I do think its great that Mazda has 10 people dedicated to the rotary engine support effort.. I've seen a few articles over the years on other companies - even Gillette still produces their double edge blades, Atra Trac ][ and Sensor 2-blade cartridges for those that still use the 1960s era handle.

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I’m hoping they include the series 2 engine in the program. I’ll give them a few years though since nothing is going to happen to mine for a while🤞🏼
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The 13B-MSP S2 engine is available as a part at Mazda dealers - although I don't' see them available on online merchants.


https://www.rx8club.com/series-ii-te...mplete-188306/


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