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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 12:18 AM
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RPMs at cruising speed

When I'm in 6th gear and cruising at around 120km/h (so around 75 mph) im revving at almost 4000rpm...is this normal? I know rotaries revs high but this just seems wrong...
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 12:23 AM
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it is normal, it's around 4k rpm
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 12:27 AM
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 12:28 AM
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Um, yeah, normal. It revs to 9k, you know. Really only 3k for the rotors, no big whoop.
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 12:30 AM
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^ Damn if she keeps drinking that water her ***** are gonna bust!
I don't think its the water.... but yeah, it's normal
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 12:32 AM
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our 6th gear is too short

^and... lol
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 12:33 AM
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also...im getting just over 300km to a tank of gas...half the tank was from lat summer because I didnt get to finish it before i stored it but i used stabilizer and filled up the other half with 91...
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 12:56 AM
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 09:35 AM
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keep in mind that the only part in the engine that is moving at 4K rpm is the eccentric shaft. the rotors rotate at 1/3 that speed 1,333.33---rpm. this why it is so important to run the car to red-line.
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 09:42 AM
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keep in mind that the only part in the engine that is moving at 4K rpm is the eccentric shaft. the rotors rotate at 1/3 that speed 1,333.33---rpm. this why it is so important to run the car to red-line.
but it drinks a hella fuel...tho
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 09:45 AM
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^ Yep, even at 9k redline the rotors are only spinning 3k.

I cruise at 4k in 6th which is right at 80 mph (well, actually a bit slower since going with 265x35 tires).
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 11:19 AM
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Here's a comparison for you:

1. I own a VW Passat 1.8t which runs at 3000rpm at 80mph.
2. I own an RX-8 which runs at 4300rpm at 80mph.
3. A piston completes a combustion cycle in 2 crankshaft rotations.
4. A rotor completes a combustion cycle in 3 crankshaft rotations.
5. So, a rotary engine needs to spin 1.5x as fast to produce as much power as a piston engine with comparable displacement.
6. That means my rotary engine is roughly equivalent to a 1.9L piston engine, and it's spinning 1.43x as fast as my 1.8L piston engine.
7. Adjusting for the .1L difference in "virtual displacement" between the two engines, my rotary is spinning 1.35x as fast as my 1.8t to produce the same power, which is well below the 1.5x rule.
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Huey52
^ Yep, even at 9k redline the rotors are only spinning 3k.

I cruise at 4k in 6th which is right at 80 mph (well, actually a bit slower since going with 265x35 tires).
Same here
I'm running 265/35 as well. Add another 2mph to the already +2 mph the speedo is off already..
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dale8000
When I'm in 6th gear and cruising at around 120km/h (so around 75 mph) im revving at almost 4000rpm...is this normal?..
How could it not be normal? seriously stop and think a moment. what in the world could possibly make the engine spin at a different rpm at a given speed in a given gear?
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 08:39 PM
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How could it not be normal? seriously stop and think a moment. what in the world could possibly make the engine spin at a different rpm at a given speed in a given gear?
unless its an auto
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 09:32 PM
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what? how would it differ with an AT? rpm x gear = speed
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fyrstormer
Here's a comparison for you:

1. I own a VW Passat 1.8t which runs at 3000rpm at 80mph.
2. I own an RX-8 which runs at 4300rpm at 80mph.
3. A piston completes a combustion cycle in 2 crankshaft rotations.
4. A rotor completes a combustion cycle in 3 crankshaft rotations.
5. So, a rotary engine needs to spin 1.5x as fast to produce as much power as a piston engine with comparable displacement.
6. That means my rotary engine is roughly equivalent to a 1.9L piston engine, and it's spinning 1.43x as fast as my 1.8L piston engine.
7. Adjusting for the .1L difference in "virtual displacement" between the two engines, my rotary is spinning 1.35x as fast as my 1.8t to produce the same power, which is well below the 1.5x rule.

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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fyrstormer
Here's a comparison for you:

3. A piston completes a combustion cycle in 2 crankshaft rotations.
4. A rotor completes a combustion cycle in 3 crankshaft rotations.
5. So, a rotary engine needs to spin 1.5x as fast to produce as much power as a piston engine with comparable displacement.
A 4-cylinder engine has to do it 4 times, while a 2-rotor rotary has to do it twice for one complete engine combustion cycle, if we look at it as a whole.

It seems an apples-to-oranges comparison.
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by fyrstormer
Here's a comparison for you:

1. I own a VW Passat 1.8t which runs at 3000rpm at 80mph.
2. I own an RX-8 which runs at 4300rpm at 80mph.
3. A piston completes a combustion cycle in 2 crankshaft rotations.
4. A rotor completes a combustion cycle in 3 crankshaft rotations.
5. So, a rotary engine needs to spin 1.5x as fast to produce as much power as a piston engine with comparable displacement.
6. That means my rotary engine is roughly equivalent to a 1.9L piston engine, and it's spinning 1.43x as fast as my 1.8L piston engine.
7. Adjusting for the .1L difference in "virtual displacement" between the two engines, my rotary is spinning 1.35x as fast as my 1.8t to produce the same power, which is well below the 1.5x rule.
I wasnt aware that a rotary engine had a crankshaft!
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by fyrstormer
Here's a comparison for you:

1. I own a VW Passat 1.8t which runs at 3000rpm at 80mph.
2. I own an RX-8 which runs at 4300rpm at 80mph.
3. A piston completes a combustion cycle in 2 crankshaft rotations.
4. A rotor completes a combustion cycle in 3 crankshaft rotations.
5. So, a rotary engine needs to spin 1.5x as fast to produce as much power as a piston engine with comparable displacement.
6. That means my rotary engine is roughly equivalent to a 1.9L piston engine, and it's spinning 1.43x as fast as my 1.8L piston engine.
7. Adjusting for the .1L difference in "virtual displacement" between the two engines, my rotary is spinning 1.35x as fast as my 1.8t to produce the same power, which is well below the 1.5x rule.
If you are talking about a single piston, it would be more analogous to compare a single rotor face. A single rotor face completes a combustion cycle (intake,compression,power,exhaust) in 1 e-shaft revolution, comparable to a single piston in a 2-stroke motor. The number of power strokes per e-shaft revolution in the 2-rotor wankel could be compared to a 6-cylinder 2-stroke piston motor, if such a thing ever existed.

You really can't compare power output per revolution, rotor or e-shaft, to a piston motor as there are many other differences and variables.

Automatic (6-sp) RX-8s are geared more for cruising (in 5th & 6th) than absolute accelerative performance, so they run almost 120 mph @ 4000 rpm in 6th.

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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 10:02 AM
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what? how would it differ with an AT? rpm x gear = speed
cuz the torque converter. when its not locked up, the rpm woud go up or down (like a sliping clutch but it wont damage).
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dale8000
When I'm in 6th gear and cruising at around 120km/h (so around 75 mph) im revving at almost 4000rpm...is this normal? I know rotaries revs high but this just seems wrong...
i herd something interesting the other day, that if your leading spark plugs are gone then the engine has to spin twice as fast as it normally would in order to produce sufficient power to cruise at the desired speed. just saying.

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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 04:54 PM
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i herd something interesting the other day, that if your leading spark plugs are gone then the engine has to spin twice as fast as it normally would in order to produce sufficient power to cruise at the desired speed. just saying.
are you serious ?
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 05:34 PM
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Yeah, the more I think about this, the more ridiculous a direct comparison becomes. The piston engine is more fuel efficient, generally, but the Wankel has a better power-to-weight ratio, a lot fewer moving parts, and less loss to force vector changes within the engine. And this is post-engine drivetrain aside.
The piston engine has also had over twice the development time as the Wankel concept, and in terms of man-years of development that ratio skyrockets when you consider the vast number of piston engine designers and manufacturers over the last 110 years, at least.
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
How could it not be normal? seriously stop and think a moment. what in the world could possibly make the engine spin at a different rpm at a given speed in a given gear?
Physics. Not everyones strong point.
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