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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 08:11 AM
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Wow! Diesel Ford Fiesta. Radical Change for Ford!

This car looks like it's super-high quality. It's going to be sold in the U.S. with a 89 horsepower engine, though?

I know it's a turbo-diesel 1.6 liter, but I wonder what top speed is. 0-60 is 11.9 seconds, so...

But the fuel economy is incredible, and the build quality looks PHENOMENOL (check out the pics).

"This turbodiesel engine's primary appeal lies in its economy. It manages 67.3 mpg as a European average, compared with 65.7 mpg for a Toyota Prius. Its carbon dioxide emissions are excellent, too (110 g/km versus 104 for the Toyota) and there's an Econetic version on its way that emits under 100 g/km."

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..2.*





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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 08:16 AM
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yes my friend tells me they have these in england and by far its a nice car compared to all ford compacts here in the states..fuel saving is also the key..over in england he tells me they are paying almost 8 dollars a gallon of fuel..
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 08:34 AM
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I think this would sell here but the hard part would be keeping the price down in the US as this is like a $25k car overseas. The build quality and reliability of the euro version is probably better than most of the US Ford car lineup but our version would probably be built at a Mexico plant and materials would be switched out for cheaper ones to keep the price down. If I was a fuel miser, I'd rather drive something like this than a Smart car which only gets like 30-35 mpg's and IMO barely qualifies as a real car.
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JRichter
I think this would sell here but the hard part would be keeping the price down in the US as this is like a $25k car overseas. The build quality and reliability of the euro version is probably better than most of the US Ford car lineup but our version would probably be built at a Mexico plant and materials would be switched out for cheaper ones to keep the price down. If I was a fuel miser, I'd rather drive something like this than a Smart car which only gets like 30-35 mpg's and IMO barely qualifies as a real car.
I believe the U.S. price will be around 14k base for this car.

Why would you rather have a Smart car that gets 1/2 the fuel economy than this?

Just curious.

(Also, this has diesel motor, and diesels are famous for longevity, with many lasting 500,000 miles or more)
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 09:29 AM
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Why would you rather have a Smart car that gets 1/2 the fuel economy than this?

Just curious.
I said I'd rather have this (being the Ford) over the Smart (bad wording). I don't see the appeal of the Smart car at all (except as a fashion accessory maybe) and wouldn't choose it if it was the last vehicle for sale. It seems that its possible to make nice efficient, good looking cars with diesel or efficient gas engines without having to sell a hybrid or something like the Smart under the impression that you are getting a really economical car.

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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 09:36 AM
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I said I'd rather have this (being the Ford) over the Smart (bad wording). I don't see the appeal of the Smart car at all (except as a fashion accessory maybe) and wouldn't choose it if it was the last vehicle for sale. It seems that its possible to make nice efficient, good looking cars with diesel or efficient gas engines without having to sell a hybrid or something like the Smart under the impression that you are getting a really economical car.
Gotcha. I absolutely agree with you.

I find these high mileage, clean burning diesel cars a very exciting addition to the U.S. market.


And yes, the Smart car is actually somewhat of a joke because cars twice as large (or more) get mileage that's just as good.
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 09:42 AM
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It kinda looks like a Mazda 2.

http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_sh...a_2/index.html
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 10:51 AM
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That's because they share the same platform.
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 03:19 PM
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which was solely designed by Mazda as the next gen platform for this segment.
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 06:16 PM
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looks sharp but how long until it becomes available at a dealers lot in the U.S. ?
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 06:21 PM
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Reminds me of my '79 Diesel Rabbit that got 45/60 mpg.
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 08:39 PM
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Ahhhhh....so it is a Mazda.

Good thing Ford didn't sell Mazda, and they had better not.

Rumors are a late '09 or early 2010 release date in U.S.
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 10:24 PM
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I'd take one of these before a Smart. I couldn't believe the performance numbers on the Smart. Awful... damn near pitiful.
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
I'd take one of these before a Smart. I couldn't believe the performance numbers on the Smart. Awful... damn near pitiful.
"This [Ford Fiesta's] turbodiesel engine's primary appeal lies in its economy. It manages 67.3 mpg as a European average, compared with 65.7 mpg for a Toyota Prius. Its carbon dioxide emissions are excellent, too (110 g/km versus 104 for the Toyota) and there's an Econetic version on its way that emits under 100 g/km."


These kind of numbers blow me away. This makes a Prius seem rather thirsty. I actually think the Ford Fiesta turbodiesel get average (as in mixed city/highway driving) of almost 70mpg.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 08:55 AM
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The Prius is really nothing more than an ecolovers joke of a wetdream. It's cost more than offsets any benefits you get and it's downright ugly. The Smart car just isn't smart. This is a much better option. Bigger than a Smart, better mileage than both, and probably priced competitively with a Smart. The smart choice is obvious to me.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 09:09 AM
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This car will not be coming to the states anytime soon in my opinion. For whatever reason the pollution laws are extremely harsh on diesel passenger cars here. Plus diesel prices are really high!
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
The Prius is really nothing more than an ecolovers joke of a wetdream. It's cost more than offsets any benefits you get and it's downright ugly. The Smart car just isn't smart. This is a much better option. Bigger than a Smart, better mileage than both, and probably priced competitively with a Smart. The smart choice is obvious to me.
I agree!


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This car will not be coming to the states anytime soon in my opinion. For whatever reason the pollution laws are extremely harsh on diesel passenger cars here. Plus diesel prices are really high!
I think it will. The Volkswagen TDI Jetta is already here, uses very similar technology, is 50 state-emissions compliant, and actually qualifies as a ULEV, I believe.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 10:12 AM
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US spec Fiesta but powerplant unknown

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/22/u...t-burger-king/
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 10:52 AM
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US spec Fiesta but powerplant unknown

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/22/u...t-burger-king/

Sweet!

I swear that these cars are appealing to me more than ever. The fact that's it's got an American badge is a bonus for me, because of where I live.

I actually think that front looks fantastic, as does the interior. Way better than the Civic.

Betcha' it's the diesel.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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Hate to tell everyone but the ford is going to be built by Mazda for Ford . The car will be built along side of the Mazda 2 in Mexico .
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 01:45 PM
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why would you hate to tell us that? we already know. lol.

its fine by us. i dont think the mazda2 will come with a turbo diesel option.
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