gwilliams6

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=199

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...jsp?type=UHPAS

gwilliams6

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...jsp?type=UHPAS

New Conti DWS-06 top rated for Ultra-Performance All-Season tires

YoursTruly

The last dws had such fragile sidewalls that I replaced two in a year and had to have a wheel straightened from typical small town potholes. The same potholes didn't phase bridgestone potenzas or Dunlop sportmaxx on the same car in the same size. When they have been out for a year or two and people don't complain about sidewalls made of tissue paper, I will buy some.

djgiron

Lol do you work for continental? You keep linking the CONSUMER ratings which are completely subjective.

IamFodi

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You say "subjective" like it means "invalid." Why's that?

I'm no fan of the Contis, or Tire Rack's consumer ratings, but let's not get testy. We're all friends here!

YoursTruly

Yeah, I suppose I shouldn't blast him for the bad experiences I had. Heck, I might try the conti dw next since autoxer's I know swear by it as both a daily tire and wet/intermediate autocross tire.

djgiron

I said that because he posted the same links in another tire thread, there is an actual comparison with those tires (not consumer reviews) that has the second to the Conti's. Michelin's are better overall grip and in dry and wet, but suck in the snow. If you are going to be in snow, the Conti's are the way to go, if not the AS3's are (basic summary from tire rack)

IamFodi

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Now we're talking.

See? No need to get personal. The facts speak for themselves. :]

djgiron

Lol, read my thread on the Michelin Pilot Sport AS3's to see why I posted what I did. I was honestly curious if he worked for Continental.

pjs_tools

replaced OEM tires with the Michelin PSS about a year ago on my R3. Fantastic. All aspects of these tires are an improvement over the OEM tires.
Most striking change I have to call smoothness. I can go at near full road speed over the bumpyest of railroad crossings wihtout any harshness at all, but still steering response, grip, amd trackiing are all still superb. Will buy another set when these wear out.

djgiron

I almost went with summers, but I was caught in an evening snow storm after a 70deg day here last spring and it was down right scary getting home, so I went with all seasons. I need to find someone up here with dedicated Summer's to ride along and feel how much of a difference there is sometime.

IamFodi

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Update!

I'm now at 16 months and 20k miles on my Pilot Super Sports. Bone stock R3, stock tire size (225/40/19), stock alignment.

The rears are ready to be replaced. Though the rear-left is worse off than the rear-right, likely because opportunities for oversteer are more available in some kinds of corners than in others.

Fronts are still okay, though. Figuring I'd get around 30k on them if I kept them on the front axle.

Strongly suspect I'll be sticking with this tire. Current plan is to swap to my winter wheels soon and pick up another pair of Super Sports at my leisure before next spring.

nowakm99

Another tire that you guys might want to try are the Hankook RS-3s. I loved the Michelins, but found a set of RS-3s (225/40/19) for under $600 all in (all in with shipping and taxes). I had these on the car for about three months before I sold my R3 and they were very impressive. At that price, I would go with RS-3s over the PSS, but suspect that I won't find that deal again.

I now have a different car that came with Goodyear F1 run flats. As soon as these are toast, I'll be going to the Michelin PSS as they were fantastic!

YoursTruly

I use RS3's as the autocross tire on my Miata. They might be labeled the same, but RS3's are on a whole other level as far as grip. They sacrifice tread wear down to 200 and give up on wet performance because they are intended for competition where street legal tires are required. To prove my point, as soon as the SCCA bumped up the minimum tread wear rating for street tires from 140 to 200, hankook changed the compound to suit the new rules.

Even though they are cheaper than the Michelin PSS, I would not recommend daily driving them unless you are okay with those compromises. The Continental DW is the best competitor for the PSS at a lower price. (Note that I did not say continental dws.)

pcs

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if you're in an area where you don't get much (if any) rain, RS3s would be an option, but agree with YoursTruly - they won't last anywhere close to as long as the PSS.

Another option to look at could be the Bridgestone RE71R - pretty competitive on the pricing, and reviews look stellar. I'll be giving them a shot when my PSS die...

IamFodi

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Have you heard or read anything about how the RE71R is at low tread depth?

What about weight? The PSS is a pretty light tire, and Bridgestones tend to be heavier.

badinfluence

What pressure are you guys keeping in the R3 rims with PSS?

Sticker says 32, but that seems low to me for 19s. (The installer deflated my tires from 42...based on that sticker)

Max on the 92Y 255/35/19 is 51psi (BMW)

So I hit them with 45psi. I found 32 almost spongy and holding the car back.


Anyone got any advice for the 19s? I found some for the 17s and 18s, but I haven't seen anyone mention the r3 rims. (they are lighter, plus I have overhang....)



On the stock size I ran some offbrand the buy-n-large dealer put on new for the car. 225/40/19 "Mr 500!" and ran the backs at 42, and fronts closer to 48. I wore the backs out on the inside down to the wire, while the fronts where still 6/16. (Almost new) About 10k on that set.

I kept the 225/40/19s (MR 500), and changed the back to PSS 255/35/19 92Y on the stock R3 rims. The car grips so hard that I have to mod my brain to tell it to go harder.

Tirerack is what suggested the 225 + 255 idea, which is interesting because their safety thing tells you not to mix sizes up. (It claims it is a stock size option on the R3)

IamFodi

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I prefer how the car feels with 35 PSI vs. 32 PSI, but I did get slightly uneven wear on my last set with 35. Trying to decide what to do with my current set.

9krpmrx8

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LOL, you can feel 3psi?

IamFodi

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I'm not going to say it was a night-and-day difference, but yeah.

badinfluence

On my Mazdaspeed3 I had RE11s and they were a godsend for wheelhop. I tuned it myself and cranked it up to 350lb/ft at the crank and 1st and 2nd are terrible in the 1st Gen for wheel hopping. Then I added that 100 found pounds and switched to 3port boost!I had to dial it down based on my heavy foot, but the tires took that car to a new level. Even with worn back springs it was amazing.

I kept the tires and swapped junk in when I traded the car. Mine where the 18 inch size 215/45/18, but if they fit my R3 rims I would have thrown them off despite having new offbrand tires. They aren't great in the wet, but if your a driver you aren't afraid of that and know how to handle oversteer in RWD. (FWD understeer/Over with them was FUN!)

For my R3 I am rocking those PSS, but I can't say I am confident on the tire pressure yet. They act different than my offbrands, so I can't say I know them very well. The change is size through, that was a definite recommend. 245/35 or 255/35 might be worth it for whatever you go with (if you already haven't)

IamFodi

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The problem with the PSS is the sidewall. I think it's because of that "variable contact patch" thing. Grip for days, but slightly dull response and feel vs. competitors.

nowakm99

Remember that to maximize grip, you generally want the tires as low as possible without having the sidewalls rolling over. As you increase pressure, you will begin to lose grip quite quickly.


I generally run them at 32-34 PSI on the street and 38-39 hot on track. To get them to 38-39 hot on track, I usually drop the pressures to 30-31 psi cold.


I hope that helps.

badinfluence

I am going to be honest, I am thrashing it at least 150% harder with the 50psi and I can't get it to step out. It actually is a bit of a bummer....lol. I dropped to 38PSI all the way around, but 32 is just sluggesh to me. 35 was improved, but I think 38 just is about right. I didn't see much of a change from 50-45-40-38 really, which is a little strange.

I am doing rough road twistes where I should be sideways, but they just gripgripgrip all the way to 60 where I puss out. (used to be doing them at 40). There is loose gravel so it isn't worth dying over.

They felt boggy anything under 35 for some reason.... Am I insane for thinking that?

IamFodi

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How was the wear pattern? Mine wore out their centers at 35 PSI.


I don't think so...