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do I need a BHR Midpipe?
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I can't create a thread so I am adding to this one in hopes of having my question answered. It looks like the racing beat for sure and maybe the BHR midpipes are necked down towards the end from the pictures. Are there any midpipes that are not necked down and are a true 3"?
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BHR has 3 inch midpipes back to back
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The TurboXS is 3" from entrance flange to exit. It has a 2.5" (or whatever) flange at the front to mate with the stock header.
If you're going with a larger flange at the header, it won't be difficult to simply cut the 2.5" flange off and weld on an appropriately sized one. Bonus points for V-band. |
most of them are not full 3” at either end because they’re designed to mate with the other OE exhaust parts. But any exhaust shop can modify the ends with bolted flange, v-band, slip joint, etc.
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Thanks for the input everybody. I'll probably just go with my own custom exhaust (depending on what type of cat BHR uses or if they even respond back at all), was just trying to save time and effort. This whole RX8 situation sucks haha. I bought the car for the amazing chassis (handling, chassis rigidity, drag coefficient, sits 4 people). I did my fair share of research before, but am still just fathomed by the inability to enhance tangible performance and how much of a dog the RX8 really is (no offense). I still do love the car though and don't regret it as my new daily.
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I tried to offer you a good piece of advice in the other thread. What sucks is your lack of basic comprehension and lack of effort to do the right thing. People today can’t be bothered with anything other than getting what they want or need, right now!!!!!!
open google browser and either exactly type or cut&paste this: site:rx8club.com HJS cat converter then read, read, read, and read ... it’s not like you have anything better to do all weekend anyway. please don’t reply, just go do it. |
Originally Posted by bigbd03
(Post 4908419)
Thanks for the input everybody. I'll probably just go with my own custom exhaust (depending on what type of cat BHR uses or if they even respond back at all), was just trying to save time and effort. This whole RX8 situation sucks haha. I bought the car for the amazing chassis (handling, chassis rigidity, drag coefficient, sits 4 people). I did my fair share of research before, but am still just fathomed by the inability to enhance tangible performance and how much of a dog the RX8 really is (no offense). I still do love the car though and don't regret it as my new daily.
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Originally Posted by apex1
(Post 4908516)
If you don’t appreciate the character of the factory engine and just want cheap power, You should look into an LS conversion.
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It sucks but today 3000 lbs is a lightweight car.
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Originally Posted by apex1
(Post 4908524)
It sucks but today 3000 lbs is a lightweight car.
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but he who laughs last ... oh snap.
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Originally Posted by apex1
(Post 4908524)
It sucks but today 3000 lbs is a lightweight car.
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It’s not just that, but if it has a sunroof then it generally also has leather power seats which are a lot heavier and all the other bell and whistle junk weighing it down. Unfortunately most RX8 owners didn’t really want a sports car any more than Mazda wanted to build one out of fear of impacting their sacred cow; the MX5. As if the fuel mileage reality wasn’t bad enough, the reliability issue pretty much sunk the boat. I’d like to believe it was all Ford Motor Co.’s fault, but not really. If they had stuck to the original concept car plan it would have been down around 2200 lbs. That would have been something.
I’m betting your R3 is at least 100 lbs heavier than your S1. It’s not loaded down with options, but they didn’t really try to take any weight out. They added weight to the S2 design in general. From a competition perspective it never was any better, usually slower from what I saw. Most of the road racers just swapped S2 bodywork onto their S1 chassis. All the chassis stiffness and geometry mods never quite measured up to their supposed worth, the engine never did. If they had I’d probably be in an S2 instead, but likely with an S1 engine in it instead. Sorry, I know you disagree, but the S2 engine is a total cluster imo. |
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4908621)
It’s not just that, but if it has a sunroof then it generally also has leather power seats which are a lot heavier and all the other bell and whistle junk weighing it down. Unfortunately most RX8 owners didn’t really want a sports car any more than Mazda wanted to build one out of fear of impacting their sacred cow; the MX5. As if the fuel mileage reality wasn’t bad enough, the reliability issue pretty much sunk the boat. I’d like to believe it was all Ford Motor Co.’s fault, but not really. If they had stuck to the original concept car plan it would have been down around 2200 lbs. That would have been something.
I’m betting your R3 is at least 100 lbs heavier than your S1. It’s not loaded down with options, but they didn’t really try to take any weight out. They added weight to the S2 design in general. From a competition perspective it never was any better, usually slower from what I saw. Most of the road racers just swapped S2 bodywork onto their S1 chassis. All the chassis stiffness and geometry mods never quite measured up to their supposed worth, the engine never did. If they had I’d probably be in an S2 instead, but likely with an S1 engine in it instead. Sorry, I know you disagree, but the S2 engine is a total cluster imo. |
FWIW, I previously had the R3 suspension on my 2004 with significant track time before (stock) and after on the same track. This was a small, perhaps not statistically significant, time improvement and a qualitatively different car. Where the stock S1 is agreeable and confidence-building, the R3 suspension makes it a little more adventurous. Nothing drastic, but it's that little cherry on top for the stock chassis.
I'm actually considering going back to this config as I don't plan to track much more. |
Unless you had the rear subframe too then there is zero difference in suspension other than some of the rear S2 arms are a bit beefier. I documented that on my 2005 maybe 5 or 6 years ago when I bought a full new set of S2 arms and directly compared them. You were just living in the Obama hope-for-it era is all. You wanted to believe, but it was just a lie tailored to take advantage for that very purpose.
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4908384)
most of them are not full 3” at either end because they’re designed to mate with the other OE exhaust parts. But any exhaust shop can modify the ends with bolted flange, v-band, slip joint, etc.
I’ll just add that most/none of them transition properly at those joints either. It’s typically a flat plate with the smaller tube size on the other side = fail ... . |
Originally Posted by bigbd03
(Post 4908419)
Thanks for the input everybody. I'll probably just go with my own custom exhaust (depending on what type of cat BHR uses or if they even respond back at all), was just trying to save time and effort. This whole RX8 situation sucks haha. I bought the car for the amazing chassis (handling, chassis rigidity, drag coefficient, sits 4 people). I did my fair share of research before, but am still just fathomed by the inability to enhance tangible performance and how much of a dog the RX8 really is (no offense). I still do love the car though and don't regret it as my new daily.
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4908621)
It’s not just that, but if it has a sunroof then it generally also has leather power seats which are a lot heavier and all the other bell and whistle junk weighing it down. Unfortunately most RX8 owners didn’t really want a sports car any more than Mazda wanted to build one out of fear of impacting their sacred cow; the MX5. As if the fuel mileage reality wasn’t bad enough, the reliability issue pretty much sunk the boat. I’d like to believe it was all Ford Motor Co.’s fault, but not really. If they had stuck to the original concept car plan it would have been down around 2200 lbs. That would have been something.
2200 lbs for a car that can carry 4 people is also ridiculous, at least with a sticker price that's not insane. I mean heck, even BRZ/86's 2+2 setup weighs 2600+ lbs, and that's with nearly useless back seats and pretty barebone interior. Concepts are just that, concepts. They are usually one-off examples so it doesn't matter if it costs a million dollars or so to produce. Most of the concepts don't translate to production well or at all. |
Originally Posted by UnknownJinX
(Post 4908681)
Because most people value comfort as well and don't track all the time? That's pretty simple. If you want a car that doesn't have any "bell & whistle junk" stock, go buy a Lotus. Or tear an RX-8 out if you wish to. As a car company, Mazda has to appeal to the general public to make money. If they are like Lotus they'd be dead years ago.
2200 lbs for a car that can carry 4 people is also ridiculous, at least with a sticker price that's not insane. I mean heck, even BRZ/86's 2+2 setup weighs 2600+ lbs, and that's with nearly useless back seats and pretty barebone interior. Concepts are just that, concepts. They are usually one-off examples so it doesn't matter if it costs a million dollars or so to produce. Most of the concepts don't translate to production well or at all. |
Originally Posted by wannawankel
(Post 4908666)
Did you contact BHR by some other means: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/officialblackhaloracing/ or
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4908659)
Unless you had the rear subframe too then there is zero difference in suspension other than some of the rear S2 arms are a bit beefier. I documented that on my 2005 maybe 5 or 6 years ago when I bought a full new set of S2 arms and directly compared them. You were just living in the Obama hope-for-it era is all. You wanted to believe, but it was just a lie tailored to take advantage for that very purpose.
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Well come on, the S1 would be at least 10 years or most being older now. Shocks and springs should both be replaced at this point and there are better options than S2 parts. It still was never actually any faster in factory stock trim despite whatever butt g-meter response people may perceive.
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4908791)
Well come on, the S1 would be at least 10 years or most being older now. Shocks and springs should both be replaced at this point and there are better options than S2 parts. It still was never actually any faster in factory stock trim despite whatever butt g-meter response people may perceive.
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