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JoMilla 04-03-2013 01:24 PM

Lowering Springs? What are these?
 
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So I found this "Saleen Rx8 Lowering Kit" on my local Craigslist..

Yeah, so I was surprised Saleen was making stuff for the Rx8, So I confirmed no items found via google. And after talking to the guy he seems less than knowledgeable about anything.

He now says he doesn't see a name on the box. But he insists they are lowering springs for an Rx8..

he also claims they are adjustable.. Which I didn't think was possible.

I'm completely new to lowering a car in any capacity.. So I'm hoping you guys can look at this and tell me what we're looking at.. Any help appreciated.

9krpmrx8 04-03-2013 01:45 PM

Crap. Stay away.

royalfitz 04-03-2013 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 4450842)
Crap. Stay away.

/thread

Lvis 04-03-2013 03:28 PM

GARBAGE STAY AWAY...

what kind of drop are u looking for? personally if u want lowering springs i would suggest brands that were designed to work with the stock shocks, swift springs are a good example .8 drop and work fine with stock shocks. Theres plenty of threads and sticky on springs just search you will find

Mr_Pieper 04-03-2013 03:32 PM

Please stop answering things with bad answers.

JoMilla, feel free to PM me since you are in the same city and I will see if I can help you out with anything.

Lvis 04-03-2013 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by Mr_Pieper (Post 4450907)
Please stop answering things with bad answers.

ok explain....??

JCrane82 04-03-2013 03:53 PM

I believe Pieper was referring to your inaccurate information about Swift springs and their ability to work well with stock shocks.....

Lvis 04-03-2013 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by JCrane82 (Post 4450923)
I believe Pieper was referring to your inaccurate information about Swift springs and their ability to work well with stock shocks.....

mabye true but considering there a reputable brand i would trust them when they say there fine with stock shocks and of course it all depends on the condition of the stock shocks.... sounds like the op doesnt want much performance anyways but going for looks only. I would personally go with full coilovers but considering hes looking for a ''deal'' i wasnt going to even waste my time mentioning

Pugheaven 04-03-2013 03:59 PM

Eibach springs?

Lowers front by 25-30mm and rear 25mm. Nice drop without wrecking the ride I'd think.

JCrane82 04-03-2013 04:00 PM

The only lowering springs that I am aware of that are marketed to be "OK" with stock shocks are the Racing beat sport springs. Where have you seen that the Swift springs work well with the stock shocks?

Mr_Pieper 04-03-2013 04:01 PM

So you recommend some of the most expensive springs around for the guy looking for a deal? You need to settle down a little on being "helpful." At least until you build a bit of credibility.

RIWWP 04-03-2013 04:01 PM

I think they are referring to the laws of physics that state that any lowering spring has to be stiffer than the stock spring in order to keep the car from banging on the bump stops all day long. Since all shocks are valved to work with a specific range of spring rates, and all lowering springs can not possibly stay within the same spring rate range as stock, this inevitably means that no lowering spring can actually function well with the stock shocks (or if they actually do, it means you are bouncing along on the bump stops)

This is something that any reputable spring/shock company should be aware of, and any company that claims otherwise is either lying or doesn't know what they are talking about.

Well, maybe "lying" is too harsh. Try "willful misrepresentation of the truth in order to sell a product".

Carbon8 04-03-2013 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Lvis (Post 4450910)
ok explain....??

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

You provide more uniformed advice to questions on here that I have ever seen, this isn't the dumb helping the blind. Stay out of threads you know nothing about as you just spread wrong information to new users who actually have potential and you will eventually cause one of these said new users to break something listening to your moronic advice.

On a side note I believe we can officially say Monchie is replaced :lol:

Mr_Pieper 04-03-2013 04:07 PM

Monchie never gives advice. He just likes everything and gives two word responses saying so. This is much worse. The reign of terror needs to stop.

RIWWP 04-03-2013 04:23 PM

To be fair, Lvis IS better than Monchie was. The first 4,000 posts of Monchie were... well. Worse.


I'm keeping an eye on the thread. Feel free to disagree, debate, argue, etc..., just keep it civil.

alnielsen 04-03-2013 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by RIWWP (Post 4450936)
I think they are referring to the laws of physics that state that any lowering spring has to be stiffer than the stock spring in order to keep the car from banging on the bump stops all day long. Since all shocks are valved to work with a specific range of spring rates, and all lowering springs can not possibly stay within the same spring rate range as stock, this inevitably means that no lowering spring can actually function well with the stock shocks (or if they actually do, it means you are bouncing along on the bump stops)

This is something that any reputable spring/shock company should be aware of, and any company that claims otherwise is either lying or doesn't know what they are talking about.

Well, maybe "lying" is too harsh. Try "willful misrepresentation of the truth in order to sell a product".

This is all true. I have only one thing to add. When you lower the car, the whole geometry of the suspension changes. It doesn't move in the same way it was designed to. As the suspension compresses, there are natural changes in camber, caster and bump steer. Lowering a car can change these changes so the car actually handles worse when lowered. I consider desirable only for looks or high speed aerodynamics (keeping air from getting under the car). RB springs use minimal lowering while increasing the spring rate. I currently have H & R springs on my car. I lowers it too much and I will be going back to stock or the RB springs. My racing RX7's had a large increase in spring rate with almost no reduction of ride height.


Originally Posted by RIWWP (Post 4450962)
To be fair, Lvis IS better than Monchie was. The first 4,000 posts of Monchie were... well. Worse.


I'm keeping an eye on the thread. Feel free to disagree, debate, argue, etc..., just keep it civil.

When Monchie first started here, he only posted pictures that may or may not (at least in my mind) related to the subject of the thread. I probably deleted a couple hundred of his posts because they were simply noise.

A seemingly knowledgeable person giving bad advise to one that will follow it, is always worse than a person that knows he knows nothing and doesn't speak.

monchie 04-03-2013 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by Carbon8 (Post 4450937)
On a side note I believe we can officially say Monchie is replaced :lol:


Originally Posted by Mr_Pieper (Post 4450942)
Monchie never gives advice. He just likes everything and gives two word responses saying so. This is much worse. The reign of terror needs to stop.


Originally Posted by RIWWP (Post 4450962)
To be fair, Lvis IS better than Monchie was. The first 4,000 posts of Monchie were... well. Worse.


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 4450991)
When Monchie first started here, he only posted pictures that may or may not (at least in my mind) related to the subject of the thread. I probably deleted a couple hundred of his posts because they were simply noise.


I guess you guys don't want me to give "my own" advice to this thread then ha... :tear:

I'll shut my mouth on this one... :p: lol

blazenblue63 04-04-2013 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by monchie (Post 4451181)
I guess you guys don't want me to give "my own" advice to this thread then ha... :tear:

I'll shut my mouth on this one... :p: lol

Unless OP wants to know where to buy a cheap hacksaw ;) lol.

Pugheaven 04-04-2013 06:12 PM

rx8club is one nasty place sometimes lol...

Carbon8 04-05-2013 12:02 AM


Originally Posted by Pugheaven (Post 4451804)
rx8club is one nasty place sometimes lol...

Yes, in the way that we don't encourage the spread of false information. For that we all apologize greatly for ensuring that false information is not spread around to new owners in the hope of preventing them from doing stupid things to their cars that would damage or more so leave their vehicles undrivable

For that we are so sorry, how will you ever forgive use :bowdown:

Pugheaven 04-05-2013 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by Carbon8 (Post 4451950)
Yes, in the way that we don't encourage the spread of false information. For that we all apologize greatly for ensuring that false information is not spread around to new owners in the hope of preventing them from doing stupid things to their cars that would damage or more so leave their vehicles undrivable

For that we are so sorry, how will you ever forgive use :bowdown:

and sarcastic lol but I'll forgive you... BTW, was looking at your build, very sweet man!

JoMilla 04-12-2013 07:33 PM

Well. I'm not touching those things. Thanks guys.. Ha


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