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TheColonel 05-11-2005 03:59 PM

Cheaper or more durable alternative to the OEM tires?
 
I need new tires and don't have $250 to drop on each one. Anyone suggest a cheaper or longer lasting tire?

ZoomZoomH 05-11-2005 04:02 PM

Falken ZIEX ZE512
Toyo Proxes4
Pirelli P-Zero Nero M+S

all are all-season high performance tires at a much lower price than the stock tires sell for.

good luck.

mikeb 05-11-2005 06:29 PM

I have had NITTO 555 on my 8 for 15months now and I like them

Fanman 05-11-2005 06:41 PM

I have Toyo T1S on my car. Way better than stock. Not sure if you are looking for an all season tire, or a max traction, single season unit. Go to : www.edgeracing.com

therm8 05-11-2005 07:00 PM

BFG KDW2's are another fairly inexpensive option, and the grip is amazing dry or wet.

Dark8 05-11-2005 07:07 PM

Avon M550, $134 in 225/45WR18. I've had them for about 3K miles and love them. A huge step up from the 040s.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...jsp?type=UHPAS

The M500, $144 in 245/40WR18, has pretty good reviews also:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=UHP (Notice that the 040 is second to last!)

red_rx8_red_int 05-11-2005 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by therm8
BFG KDW2's are another fairly inexpensive option, and the grip is amazing dry or wet.

Yep, that's what I got and am very happy.

loco4rx8 05-11-2005 08:43 PM

How's the noise on the KDW2's? I've seen nothing but positive reviews on traction, but some people say they're noisey. I will need new summer tires after this season, so I'm kind of keeping an eye on these BFG's.

JanSolo 05-12-2005 12:36 AM

Another vote for the Toyo T1-S. I ran them on my Evo and they were great in every way.

The downside with running a tire with a longer life is the lack of grip and stickiness. Sure, you will end up owning the tires longer, but taking corners means that your car is going to slide more and the little contact patch that the 225s have is just being to be worth even less when taking those fun corners. Personally, I wish I could afford to run RA-1s for street driving, except for the rainy days of course.

redjetpack 05-12-2005 12:56 AM

where can you order them from?
im in need, and they look waaaaayyy better than the potenzas. and the price looks better too, but i cant find anywhere i want to order them from.

TheColonel 05-12-2005 01:40 AM

I have no problem w/ 3 season tires and I want the same or better grip than stock. Wil the Toyo's grip more?

jimbo912 05-12-2005 03:39 AM

I also have the Avon M550s and I love them. My ride is greatly impoved over OEMs

aggietiff28 05-12-2005 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by mikeb
I have had NITTO 555 on my 8 for 15months now and I like them

Same here NITTO 555s. Replaced the OEM Bridgestones about 4000 miles ago. So far so good...they did an AWESOME job in the twisties while following another 8 with wider rear tires to the cars limits on a few of the curves.

Link: Nitto Tires

Oh yeah...one more thing. If you know anything about the tire rating system.
OEM Bridgestones 140AA ~$250/tire
Nitto 555 - 300AA ~$140/tire

red_rx8_red_int 05-12-2005 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by loco4rx8
How's the noise on the KDW2's? I've seen nothing but positive reviews on traction, but some people say they're noisey. I will need new summer tires after this season, so I'm kind of keeping an eye on these BFG's.

It's better than the original Potenzas.

TheColonel 05-13-2005 02:07 AM

I think I'm going w/ the Toyo Proxes 4's. I called a tire place and the T1-S has apparently been discontinued and Toyo claims the Proxes (I think I may be spelling it incorrectly...) are the replacement. I was quoted $550 for a full set and installation. That's a far cry better than Wayne Mazda's $545 for only TWO OEM tires and install.

ZoomZoomH 05-13-2005 02:36 AM

good choice, you will enjoy the Proxes4's, they are very good all season tires :)

Fanman 05-13-2005 02:55 AM


Originally Posted by TheColonel
I think I'm going w/ the Toyo Proxes 4's. I called a tire place and the T1-S has apparently been discontinued and Toyo claims the Proxes (I think I may be spelling it incorrectly...) are the replacement. I was quoted $550 for a full set and installation. That's a far cry better than Wayne Mazda's $545 for only TWO OEM tires and install.

Not sure who told you this but it is incorrect. The replacement tire for the T1S will be the T1R. The line of tires from Toyo is called "Proxes," not the individual tire line. So it is the Proxes T1S, Proxes RA1, Proxes 4, etc. The Proxes 4 is an ultra high performance all season tire, the T1S is an ultra high performance single season/summer tire. The T1S will give you better traction in dry surfaces, while the Proxes 4 will give you better wet handling. Depends on how much traction you crave. If you are tracking this car, or have very aggressive street driving habits the Proxes 4 will not be good tires for you. I doubt they would be better than the RE 040's in terms of dry traction. I have driven the KDW2's and they are very good tires.

TheColonel 05-13-2005 11:55 AM

Really? Is the T1R out yet?

I even asked the guy at STS if the Proxes 4 was a summer tire and he said yeah. I didn't think that was right. I do crave lots of grip and am will to buy a summer tire to get it.

Fanman 05-13-2005 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by TheColonel
Really? Is the T1R out yet?

I even asked the guy at STS if the Proxes 4 was a summer tire and he said yeah. I didn't think that was right. I do crave lots of grip and am will to buy a summer tire to get it.

No, in the US the T1R is not out yet. It is out up in Canada, Europe, Japan, etc. The guy doesn't know what he talking about. Go onto the Toyo website. The Proxes 4 is an high performance all season tire.

TheColonel 05-13-2005 05:22 PM

Would you say the Proxes 4 tires would at least give me about the same traction as the OEM Potenza's? I don't need to gain anything, I just need new tires and don't want to pay $250 a pop for a tire that's going to wear like crazy.

NAVILESRX8 05-13-2005 06:21 PM

Sumitomo HTR+ $110 each. They are all seasons, very good in the wet, nice and quiet, smooth riding. Like maybe 75% the grip of the OE Potenza's, a lot softer on turn-in, but I am very happy. nice tire, very affordable, and they should last a lot lot longer than the Potenzas.

I plan on getting another set of wheels soon and am looking at the Kumho MX, and maybe the BFG KDW

ZoomZoomH 05-13-2005 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by TheColonel
Would you say the Proxes 4 tires would at least give me about the same traction as the OEM Potenza's? I don't need to gain anything, I just need new tires and don't want to pay $250 a pop for a tire that's going to wear like crazy.

i'd say you would be pleasantly surprised how good they are, maybe even better than stock!

Fanman 05-13-2005 09:55 PM

The Proxes 4's will give you decent performance, maybe even as good as the RE 040's. That is not a complement. I personally find the RE 040 a very marginal tire. Even in the Bridgestone brand the RE 050 & S03 Pole Positions are better tires. I have have had a car with Continental Sport Contact 2 & Pirelli PZero Rossos & those were better tires. My Toyo T1S are far better tires than the RE 040. You can still get Toyo T1S around (go to www.edgeracing.com). Also you may want to go to a 245/40/18 tire. The 225/45/18 is kind've an oddball size tire & that is why the RE040 is such an expensive tire. The 245 fits just fine on the 8' stock rim, and you will have a wider variety of tires.

Vertigo-1 05-13-2005 09:58 PM

Just out of curiosity, what's some cost no object OEM sized gripping tires for the RX-8? Mines came with the Dunlops which seem pretty good, but wouldn't mind raising the bar when my tires die. Of course if it happens to be cheaper than OEM, that's even better.

TheColonel 05-14-2005 01:30 AM

The guy at STS Tire said they have the T1-S in 225/40/R18. However, I'm a little nervous about putting an even lower profile tire on. Will it mess witht he TPMS? Is it safe?


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