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BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 07:16 PM

Trying to remove starter - can't break bolts loose - suggestions?
 
I'm trying to remove my starter and have the car on jack stands in the garage but can't seem to get the damn bolts to budge.

I used a standard ratchet with every bit of force I can muster, soaked them in PB Blaster, and even tried a breaker bar, though there isn't enough clearance to take advantage of the torque that a breaker bar provides.

Any thoughts or suggestions before I have AAA tow this mother effer to the shop?

paimon.soror 07-22-2013 07:21 PM

Only other thing you can do is take a torch to it to help break the bolt free

BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 07:23 PM

That might work with the lower bolt, but the upper bolt has wires nearby and it's a bitch to reach. Might be kinda risky, but worth a shot...

BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 08:15 PM

Tried additional dosing of PB Blaster and the torch. Bolts have no rust on them but won't budge. Guess they're over-torqued and I'm gonna have to pay someone to fix it. Damn.

BigCajun 07-22-2013 08:43 PM

Do you have an air compressor? Have you tried a
1/2" impact with a short socket?

BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by BigCajun (Post 4503396)
Do you have an air compressor? Have you tried a
1/2" impact with a short socket?

Unfortunately, the answers are No and No. :(

Brettus 07-22-2013 09:00 PM

If you can't undo those using a standard 1/2" drive socket and breaker bar there is something wrong .

Have you stripped the heads of the bolts ?

BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 09:09 PM

They aren't stripped. The breaker bar doesn't really work because I don't have enough clearance to make use of it. The thing is just on your run of the mill jack stands.

These bolts aren't reverse threaded are they?

BigCajun 07-22-2013 09:12 PM

Maybe try your local auto parts store for a rental impact. They make some decent electric ones now.

Brettus 07-22-2013 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by BigMikeATL (Post 4503408)
They aren't stripped. The breaker bar doesn't really work because I don't have enough clearance to make use of it. The thing is just on your run of the mill jack stands.
?

You are talking about getting it towed but can't spend a little time getting it up high enough so you can use the right tool for the job .........................



Originally Posted by BigMikeATL (Post 4503408)
These bolts aren't reverse threaded are they?

No

BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 09:19 PM

I tried another couple wrenches I've got and now the bolt head is starting to strip. Whoever put this thing in must have over-torqued the crap out of it.

BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4503411)
You are talking about getting it towed but can't spend a little time getting it up high enough so you can use the right tool for the job .........................

No

These jacks don't go a helluva lot higher.

I had the breaker bar on there and tried using whatever force I could, even hitting the damn thing with a hammer, but no dice. Drenching the bolts in PB Blaster isn't helping either.

I'm worried that if I keep trying, I'm going to strip the bolt head too much and be completely screwed.

black PL 8 07-22-2013 09:35 PM

Just swapped out my starter 2 days ago. Try this:
For that upper-hidden bolt, use a long extension on a ratchet. I then wedged a block of wood against the ratchet head so it wouldn't move so much laterally. Once that was nice and snug, I just beat the long end of the ratchet with my palm until it broke loose.

black PL 8 07-22-2013 09:36 PM

also, that upper bolt (of the 2) is accessible from both sides. If you're starting to strip it, try the other end.

BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 09:39 PM

I've tried the upper bolt a couple times but have been going to town on the bottom bolt. That one's the SOB right now. I'm not even going to bother with the top one until I can get the bottom one to break loose.

black PL 8 07-22-2013 09:45 PM

ok try this- on that bottom one- I've seen it done on big trailer repairs to loosen some mean shit. Take a hammer and give the head a few SOLID whacks dead straight so it doesn't mess up the shape. If you hit it hard and straight it should break the thread "weld" loose on the inside and help you.

Brettus 07-22-2013 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by BigMikeATL (Post 4503413)
These jacks don't go a helluva lot higher.

I had the breaker bar on there and tried using whatever force I could, even hitting the damn thing with a hammer, but no dice. Drenching the bolts in PB Blaster isn't helping either.

I'm worried that if I keep trying, I'm going to strip the bolt head too much and be completely screwed.

Go and buy yourself a 1/2" hexagonal socket - the ones the same shape as the bolt head . You can put way more torque on one of those without stripping the bolt head

BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4503440)
Go and buy yourself a 1/2" hexagonal socket - the ones the same shape as the bolt head . You can put way more torque on one of those without stripping the bolt head

1/2" is too small. The only bits that fit are 14mm or 9/16".

Brettus 07-22-2013 10:01 PM

I meant 1/2" drive ;)

BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by black PL 8 (Post 4503424)
Just swapped out my starter 2 days ago. Try this:
For that upper-hidden bolt, use a long extension on a ratchet. I then wedged a block of wood against the ratchet head so it wouldn't move so much laterally. Once that was nice and snug, I just beat the long end of the ratchet with my palm until it broke loose.

I just tried the breaker bar and wedging a piece of 2x4 against it. With my back against the garage wall, I pressed the 2x4 with my feet and the thing didn't move one iota. Was worth a shot though. :)

BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by BigCajun (Post 4503409)
Maybe try your local auto parts store for a rental impact. They make some decent electric ones now.

Good call. I'll try that tomorrow. At this point, I've exhausted just about every existing option.

BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4503411)
You are talking about getting it towed but can't spend a little time getting it up high enough so you can use the right tool for the job .........................

I jacked the car up as high as I can get it and took another stab at using the breaker bar. Bastard bolt didn't budge.

BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by black PL 8 (Post 4503435)
ok try this- on that bottom one- I've seen it done on big trailer repairs to loosen some mean shit. Take a hammer and give the head a few SOLID whacks dead straight so it doesn't mess up the shape. If you hit it hard and straight it should break the thread "weld" loose on the inside and help you.

Out of sheer anger, I've smacked the thing more than a few times with a couple different wrenches. I'll try straight on with a hammer and see if it helps. At this point, I can't make it much worse. :sad:

Brettus 07-22-2013 10:07 PM

This is nuts ........................are you 100% sure you are turning it the right way - anticlockwise?

BigMikeATL 07-22-2013 10:27 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4503453)
This is nuts ........................are you 100% sure you are turning it the right way - anticlockwise?

Ha... yes, 100% sure I'm turning it the correct way. I even tried rocking the bolt clockwise just to make sure I wasn't losing my mind! It doesn't move at all.


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