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RX-865 11-28-2010 02:18 PM

Car won't idle
 
Yesterday I was coming home from a football game when my car started losing power and running very rough. It got so bad I had to pull over and it died. I had to get it towed home and this morning I've been working on it. I took my intake out, cleaned the filter as well as the maf sensor and reassembled it. I got in the car and reset my ecu using the brake pump method. Then I tried starting my car. It started up perfectly but was having a very rough idle. I went inside to get a drink and when I got back to my car it had died and now won't start. Anyone got any ideas?

My mods are:
Bhr midpipe
Revi intake and duct
Greddy se exhaust

RX-865 11-28-2010 03:43 PM

It will turn over but not start, and I can't smell gas so I don't think it's flooded either

Old Rotor 11-28-2010 03:51 PM

Please give us some more info...model,year,miles,etc... What service and parts has the car had?. How many miles on plugs,coils,wires? What other mods have you got?...How long have you had it?... Have you ever done a de-carbon cleaner?

RX-865 11-28-2010 04:19 PM

2004 GT with 115k (5k on rebuilt motor and plugs/wires/coils)

Mods:
Greddy se exhaust
Bhr midpipe
Bhr fuel pump
Revi intake and duct

Oil change about 2000 miles ago. I've owned the car for about a year and a half now

And no I've never used a decarbon cleaner

RX-865 11-28-2010 04:26 PM

Ok thanks charles. I'm trying to remember when I got the fuel pump exactly. I'm thinking like maybe middle of september or late august. I just remember when my OEM fuel pump started messing up, It didnt' affect idle and made it run a little rough, but the car would start and run well for the most part. Now it wont' run period.

Are there any other suggestions? I was wondering if just my MAF sensor was bad and I needed to replace it.

Cole33 11-28-2010 04:27 PM

Do you have power in your car? When I first bought my second 8, it had problems dying while idling because it had a bad battery. I had the dealer replace the battery and I didn't have any problems. Is the car still cranking and it just won't start?

RX-865 11-28-2010 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Cole33 (Post 3798446)
Do you have power in your car? When I first bought my second 8, it had problems dying while idling because it had a bad battery. I had the dealer replace the battery and I didn't have any problems. Is the car still cranking and it just won't start?


Yeah I have power. My gauges all work and light up and the radio will work.

RX8Soldier 11-28-2010 04:34 PM

try cleaning your maf sensor before you buy a new one
post # 2 https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/congratulations-you-got-8-a-202548/#post3666147

RX-865 11-28-2010 04:38 PM

I cleaned my MAF sensor, seeing as I didn't when I first installed the revi intake a few weeks ago. I reset the ECU using the break pump method and tried starting my car. It allowed my car to start quite well the first time I tried firing it up, idled for a few minutes while the engine was revving all over the place at idle then died. I got it started another time but it was very weak. Now it won't start at all

dannobre 11-28-2010 04:45 PM

You sure you didn't flood it?

If it's a MT...get someone to pull it for a block or so and see if it starts.....might as well start there

Or pull the plugs and see if they are wet

Could be lots of things...Start with the things that you just messed with first...IE the MAF sensor :)

After that check the fuel supply, spark, maybe the ESS to make sure it hasn't picked up crap

RX-865 11-28-2010 05:10 PM

I don't think I flooded it, but I will check.

That reminded me of something, The car died while driving yesterday. I was slowing down coming to a redlight and I put the car and neutral and it just died. I put it in gear and let out the clutch and the car started back up. I completely forgot about that until now. Maybe that will help with the diagnosis.

RX-865 11-28-2010 10:51 PM

Ok what about this...maf sensor was dirty and causing my afr to be high (on the AP it was reading anywhere from 15 to 20.3 at cruising when normally it's about 14.6 cruising). This caused my car to put too much fuel into my engine causing it to flood therefore wetting the plugs and not allowing spark when I try to start it? It would be a huge coincidence I know but my car has had every issue an 04 has been recorded of having

RX8Soldier 11-28-2010 11:05 PM


Originally Posted by RX-865 (Post 3798719)
Ok what about this...maf sensor was dirty and causing my afr to be high (on the AP it was reading anywhere from 15 to 20.3 at cruising when normally it's about 14.6 cruising)

above 14.7 means it's running lean, not rich...

EDIT: Oops! I was reading that wrong! So, yes, that could be a possibility

RX-865 11-29-2010 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 3799098)
14.7:1 is the target A/F and it is neither rich nor lean. (BTW, the Walbro fuel pump motors have a 1-year warranty on them.)

I recently had, in my own car, somewhat similar symptoms involving random rich situations (11:1-type stuff) while cruising on the freeway with frequent stalling on deceleration when I came to stops. I also had crazy misfires during cold starts. After thinking it HAD to be a bad front O2 sensor (because my PCM was indicating a bad front O2 sensor heater circuit), I replaced the O2 sensor.

The problem remained.

I also cleaned the MAF sensor as I thought early on that was the intial problem.

Once I replaced my MAF sensor with a known good unit, the car has now returned to running like a dream.

Ok so looks like I need to grab another maf sensor

RX-865 11-29-2010 11:58 AM

Sounds like a good place to start.

tza0001 11-29-2010 12:51 PM

I assume that you had your battery unplugged during cleaning your intake, filter, maf etc. The idle after you unplug the battery gets rough since the ECU is learning your air fuel ratios again. If you started the car cold and you let it die, the car is flooded.

RX-865 11-29-2010 01:21 PM

I didn't unplug the battery. I simply reset the ecu using the brake pump method and then tried to start it. I knew it would have to "relearn" the maf parameters but didn't think it would flood by doing that

RX-865 11-29-2010 01:22 PM

And yes the car was cold. I tried this the day after I had to towed.

RX-865 11-29-2010 01:49 PM

Ok tried deflooding it. It sounded like it was gonna start but then didn't. I tried cranking 10 seconds with pedal to the floor. Then pause for 30 seconds and tried cranking again and repeated a 3rd time. Last time I tried cranking my lights began flickering and battery died. Now I've got my battery charging. Damn this is pissing me off

tza0001 11-29-2010 02:00 PM

The easiest way to deflood the car is to have somebody pushing you and once you get on some speed (something around 10 mph) shift it in 2nd gear. The other methods may take hours.

RX-865 11-29-2010 02:22 PM

I'm not sure where i'd do the push start method though. I don't really have anyone who could push me and no hills. I may be able to get some speed up on my driveway and start. So just put it in second gear when I get enough speed and start it. Then just stay on the gas for a while so it wont die?

RX8Soldier 11-29-2010 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by RX-865 (Post 3799453)
I'm not sure where i'd do the push start method though. I don't really have anyone who could push me and no hills. I may be able to get some speed up on my driveway and start. So just put it in second gear when I get enough speed and start it. Then just stay on the gas for a while so it wont die?

yeah that's the idea. But, i think you'd need more than a driveway to do it... you could try though!

RX-865 11-29-2010 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by RX8Soldier (Post 3799461)
yeah that's the idea. But, i think you'd need more than a driveway to do it... you could try though!

yeah most likely but gotta work with what you're dealt I guess.

tza0001 11-29-2010 02:33 PM

Yes just drive it around a bit and do not let it die until it is warmed up. Once it is warmed up you need to drive it and complete three to four driving cycles so the ECU learns the fuel ratios again. A complete driving cycle = start the car, drive it around, turn off the car
After three-four driving cycles your idle should be stable. Further, after you deflood it and complete the driving cycles you need to inspect your plugs. It is possible that your plugs are wet due to flooding and need to be cleaned.

RX-865 11-29-2010 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by tza0001 (Post 3799482)
Yes just drive it around a bit and do not let it die until it is warmed up. Once it is warmed up you need to drive it and complete three to four driving cycles so the ECU learns the fuel ratios again. A complete driving cycle = start the car, drive it around, turn off the car
After three-four driving cycles your idle should be stable. Further, after you deflood it and complete the driving cycles you need to inspect your plugs. It is possible that your plugs are wet due to flooding and need to be cleaned.

Yeah I'm thinking my plugs may just be wet from the previous flooding and just need to be inspected and cleaned


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