04 problem
Hi.
I need some help in diagnosing a problem with my 04. It feels like My engine is not giving everything. At high rpms in gears 1-3, 6 to 8 grand is smooth but has a thoughty sound as if I were dragging a dead cylinder. In gears 4&5 it breaks up and feels like it's misfiring at 6 to 8 grand. Some times I get a CEL or a misfire code but most of the time I do not,, and only in the top two gears. Engine is also idling low and rough at just under a grand when the fan is on, even at the low setting. I have changed wires, plugs and coils but the problem persists. Anyone been here? |
04 problem
Could be many issues:
Cat converter Fuel pump/ delivery Eccentric shaft position sensor Maf Air filter Ignition incorrectly installed Air leak EDIT: when did you change the ignition ? |
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Start by cleaning things. The steps in the Congrats thread (my signature block) will get you started. Then, things like miles, how long this has been happening and any recent changes will help. |
Did you get the codes for the CEL?
If one is P0420, your cat is bad, if you still have one. Misfires kill cats, bad cats kill engines. Replace, or gut it if so. |
Happy New Year and Thanks for the feed back.
The problem has been persistent for 6 or so months.. as I said, I started by changing the plugs, wires and coils. None of that helped. The CEL I get 'sometimes' when this is happening reads as #1 misfire. There is no bad cat code, at least not yet. Hoping to figure this out before that. I have also had a small emissions leak cel that I would clear and have been attributing to the gas cap. I got a new gas cap yesterday and then drove it 40 miles today. The problem got worse. Now it breaks up in 3rd gear at 6-8 grand as well as 4th and 5th and I get an intermittent, flashing CEL. When I go to real time data the only thing I can see different is the fuel system #1 which goes from CL to OL- Drive when I let off the gas or when the CEL starts flashing. And even with all this, it still passes inspection. |
If you still have a catalytic converter, it might be a good idea to have it checked out.
Clogged cats can cause misfires, and if you had misfires before you changed the ignition components, there's a good chance it's bad. Your symptoms are classic of a clogged cat. |
You should also clean your ESS and MAF sensor as stated earlier if you haven't.
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Originally Posted by BigCajun
(Post 4737019)
If you still have a catalytic converter, it might be a good idea to have it checked out.
Clogged cats can cause misfires, and if you had misfires before you changed the ignition components, there's a good chance it's bad. Your symptoms are classic of a clogged cat. |
Originally Posted by titaneum_grey
(Post 4737030)
Is it possible to have a clogged cat and not get a code?
I had one when mine went bad, but I can't say with 100% certainty that it always happens. It's not hard to take it off and look at it to eliminate that possibility. Many of us have midpipes for peace of mind because cat failures are so common. |
Originally Posted by titaneum_grey
(Post 4737030)
Is it possible to have a clogged cat and not get a code?
Have you done any troubleshooting on the parts I recommended in my first post? |
Originally Posted by RX8Soldier
(Post 4737061)
Unusual, but yes.
Have you done any troubleshooting on the parts I recommended in my first post? I double check for a bad cat code. It has a 10 month old O2 sensor (aft) and the wires are still connected properly. Fuel pump/ delivery would be the same at high RPM's in any gear so I would like more on why you suggested that. The car is up on a ramp now, ready to clean the ESS I cleaned the MAF with MAF cleaner. I have ordered a new air filter but think the same way about that as I do the fuel pump/ delivery suggestion. Since I had the problem before I replaced the coils, wire and plugs I can speculate that their install was correct. I have not touched any other parts of the ignition system. They are stock and thus precludes their being incorrectly installed, since the problem is only 6 months old. Air leak? Where and in what system are you referring to? And wouldn't there be a CEL & code for that? |
While it's up, drop the cat and shine a light through it to be sure.
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Originally Posted by BigCajun
(Post 4737639)
While it's up, drop the cat and shine a light through it to be sure.
:ylsuper: |
Originally Posted by RX8Soldier
(Post 4736170)
Could be many issues:
Cat converter Fuel pump/ delivery Eccentric shaft position sensor Maf Air filter Ignition incorrectly installed Air leak EDIT: when did you change the ignition ? |
Originally Posted by titaneum_grey
(Post 4738274)
I cleaned my MAF and replaced my Air Filter. Then I took it out for a test drive and the problem was gone. Thanks to Soldier and every one who offered assistance.:yesnod:
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Originally Posted by RX8Soldier
(Post 4738275)
Don't thank me. Thank my ambiguous 'could be many things' post... :rolleyes:
Today I picked up some fuel injector cleaner and will run that in this fill up. So much for the list and the scatter gun approach. back to the drawing board. :uhh: |
Could be many issues:
Cat converter Fuel pump/ delivery Eccentric shaft position sensor Maf Air filter Ignition incorrectly installed Air leak It's not scatter gun, its one of these things. Eliminate some and the list will be shorter. |
The dreaded "lean cat" code?
Something like 'below efficiency threshold'? Prepare for the 'choked cat engine terminator' code. |
Originally Posted by BigCajun
(Post 4746445)
The dreaded "lean cat" code?
Something like 'below efficiency threshold'? Prepare for the 'choked cat engine terminator' code. |
Originally Posted by Loki
(Post 4746430)
Could be many issues:
Cat converter Fuel pump/ delivery Eccentric shaft position sensor Maf Air filter Ignition incorrectly installed Air leak It's not scatter gun, its one of these things. Eliminate some and the list will be shorter. problem only in gears 4,5 & 6 when I bring the rpms up over 5 grand. If it were a fuel pump issued shouldn't I have it in all gears at high rpms? |
Originally Posted by titaneum_grey
(Post 4746516)
I checked 2,3,4,5 and 6 that already.
problem only in gears 4,5 & 6 when I bring the rpms up over 5 grand. If it were a fuel pump issued shouldn't I have it in all gears at high rpms? I did not see anywhere that you said you physically inspected the catalytic converter, unless your emoji response was meant to affirm it. I don't speak emoji, so I don't know what that was for. |
Originally Posted by titaneum_grey
(Post 4746514)
didn't see that one on the list. but it doesn't sound good
When we are trying to help people, and they come back with "something about" the code, it can be exasperating. You should at least write down, or take a picture of your trouble code. |
Originally Posted by titaneum_grey
(Post 4746516)
I checked 2,3,4,5 and 6 that already.
problem only in gears 4,5 & 6 when I bring the rpms up over 5 grand. If it were a fuel pump issued shouldn't I have it in all gears at high rpms? Tell you what- you tell me what you think is wrong, and then you go verify it, and then you come back and tell me what the outcome is. And I respond with an ambiguous answer which you won't follow anyways. That's pretty much what's happening here... |
Originally Posted by BigCajun
(Post 4746518)
That's because I was being a smartass.
When we are trying to help people, and they come back with "something about" the code, it can be exasperating. You should at least write down, or take a picture of your trouble code. I made the same trip today with a full tank and injector cleaner and got no codes, no CEL and the sound I have been referring to was even gone. Could it have been that easy or is it just till the next time, one can only guess. And even though I ask questions when some answer doesn't make sense to me, I do appreciate all the help. |
Originally Posted by RX8Soldier
(Post 4746522)
Why do I even bother giving advice if people aren't prepared to follow? Why does anyone give advice?
Tell you what- you tell me what you think is wrong, and then you go verify it, and then you come back and tell me what the outcome is. And I respond with an ambiguous answer which you won't follow anyways. That's pretty much what's happening here... First off your list was like saying it's gotta be fuel,spark or compression. maybe you might wanna reread my original question you were supposedly answering. But OK, I punch your check list anyway. You can't handle any questioning when things don't make sense to me like you some kinda premadonna and when I find something that seems to have worked and acknowledge your help you can't even accept when I tell you that you were a help and say thank you without getting all passive aggressive. And now you gonna wine and make like your all offended. So why do you even bother giving advice. (rhetorical) |
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