Void Warranty ? bcuz of the Aftermarket Intake and I d/c the Vaccum line?
Its going to be a long post so if u cant stand it, dont read it :P
Ok, Well, I got this CEL of P0662 for quite a while, it keeps going on and off and on and off. This CEL means that theres something *wrong* with the Intake Solenoid, and it only happens around 6~7K RPM. Thats probably the reason why its going on and off all the time (cuz I dont drive at 6~7kRPM all the time) So today, I went to the dealership. (Finally, yes Im lazy), told them about the CEL and a bunch of other TSB related issues. Then the Tech saw the Intake with the Vaccum disconnected(Its the K&N Version II), and said that he will have to take a picture, and send it to Mazda to see what they say, but he said most likely this WILL void the car's warranty. Plus because of that they put a hold on the rest of the TSB fixes (including Airbag, SunRoof, etc) Until they get an answer from Mazda, the ordered the Solenoid anyway tho. Here is what the Invoice said : "TECH FOUND CODE P0662 INTAKE MANIFOLD TUNING VALVE FAILURE, CUSTOMER HAS AFTERMARKET INTAKE AIR HOUSING SYSTEM ALSO HAS VACUUM LINE DISCONNECTED AND SOLENOID" Im on this forum long enough to know this is just complete BS, they should not be able to void my warranty like that. but now Im just wondering should I just wait until Mazda has an answer first? or should I just call right now before hand to talk about the issue. Thank you for reading. |
THAT BLOWS
they can void your warranty if the aftermarket part is the reason for the problem, which in your case is. they were right, that eill do it. but they cant void your whole warranty just what the intake did. |
Just keep after them...they can't void your warranty for an intake...and they know it.
Just get a bigger stick........ The solenoid that you have disconnected is for the VFAD duct...and has no real importance in the functioning of the intake tract. It is to reduce the noise at lower RPM's... |
Yes, it is to reduce noise at certain rpm's. However, having the solenoid unplugged is what tripped the CEL. Just plug it back in and make sure your vacuum line is connected, too.
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[QUOTE=nycgps]
Plus because of that they put a hold on the rest of the TSB fixes (including Airbag, SunRoof, etc) Until they get an answer from Mazda, the ordered the Solenoid anyway tho. /QUOTE] I dont see why they put the rest of the issues on the back burner. The intake doesnt effect the sunroof, nor does it effect the air bag. Id have them fixing the other problems while they wait on the news from the intake. |
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
Yes, it is to reduce noise at certain rpm's. However, having the solenoid unplugged is what tripped the CEL. Just plug it back in and make sure your vacuum line is connected, too.
Let me go take a picture of my hood I be right back. Installing Driver for my Camera phone (just got new comp and reinstalled Vista) |
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There you go. I sealed the tube to the Intale Mainfold with Tape (cuz Im afraid that I might break the little tab on the intake mainfold, so I just seal the tube nicely with tape) and I unplug the power to it (cuz its no use) Like I said, I got this CEL even before I took it out. The tech just keep on saying *Aftermarket stuff will break your car* over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ..... I was about to go all out and like *Yo just stfu* now what u guys think ? |
I can understand them voiding the warranty on intake related items like the solenoid, since you are no longer using the Mazda air filter, which can wear parts in differant ways. What if you got dirt in the solenoid that wouldn't have gotten in there from a stock airbox?
However, the other things are asinine. |
I seriously doubt thats the cause, there are people with broken SSV and they're stock.
The car drives fine and stuff, its just the CEL annoys me. but seriously, if they giving me crap about this. Im going to start something. Cuz even Mazdaspeed parts will disconnect all of the stuff that I've unplugged. Im not trying to be a dick here(well maybe Im ...) Cuz I really dont think thats the cause, you know what I mean ? |
oh one more thing.
I know the *Void the whole car's warranty* is super bs, but if they are going to void will they void *just the intake mainfold* or the *whole powertrain* ? Im going to put my RB wires and new plugs in maybe next monday. Next thing I'll get is that my whole Engine warranty will be voided because of my RB wires. Mazda, you're about to lose a life time customer. |
what a load of crap! I've got an RB intake and my dealership has NEVER given me problems about it.
Keep fighting it. Be respectful and informative when you tell the Service Manager that plugging that line isn't harming the intake. If you don't like what he has to say....go up the ladder. |
Originally Posted by nycgps
Well the thing is that I have this CEL even when its plugged in.
Let me go take a picture of my hood I be right back. Installing Driver for my Camera phone (just got new comp and reinstalled Vista) |
so I can just call Mazda now ? Or wait for the Final answer first ?
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wait to hear from your Service Writer.
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Guess I'll wait a few days and see what happens then.
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call them back tomorrow to get an update. If you stay on top of this, they're less likely tho think you'll just "rollover" when they try and void your warranty.
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#662 deals with a few different things, actually. One is the SSV solenoid valve, the second is the connector or terminal malfunction, another is a short to power supply in the wiring harness, and the last is a PCM malfunction. One issue I am having in looking at the photo is what appears to be the wiring harness having been "trifled" with. That may be what the service tech is seeing, as well. One thing to do, nycgps, is to put a screw or bolt in the vacuum hose as tape will not seal the vacuum leak that results.
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
#662 deals with a few different things, actually. One is the SSV solenoid valve, the second is the connector or terminal malfunction, another is a short to power supply in the wiring harness, and the last is a PCM malfunction. One issue I am having in looking at the photo is what appears to be the wiring harness having been "trifled" with. That may be what the service tech is seeing, as well. One thing to do, nycgps, is to put a screw or bolt in the vacuum hose as tape will not seal the vacuum leak that results.
but for now its up to Mazda, I think the Tech wrote another *letter* to Mazda, along with the picture that he took, not sure what the letter wrote, I cant read his hand writing.(for a second I thought he wrote that letter in Arabic or something) They put an order on the Solenoid anyway, let me see the part number ... |
F151-73-7711 (Description saids Valve Solenoid)
FE62-16-510C N326-11-003 F183-44-010 I dont think theres a leak anywhere, this is actually the first time the tech there *saw* that someone disconnect all the connectors like me. Another note, when he first asked me to go with him(to the car and told me that he needs to take a picture), he said something like "Your aftermarket intake is the cause of the CEL(BS), the CEL saids its revving too high(????WTF????)" Then I said "Well I read the service manual and I do not think this is the cause" then him and another tech just kept repeat this *If you have aftermarket parts Mazda will void your warranty* over and over and over and over like they are robots or something. Well, I know its part of their job but, arent they suppose to at least fix my other issues ? What does weather stripe, airbag and sunroof has anything to do with the engine ? If they dont cover this, I swear I will never get another Mazda ever again. |
This is so typical pf Mazda and they wounder why they are rated so low in customer retention.
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Originally Posted by Raptor75
This is so typical pf Mazda and they wounder why they are rated so low in customer retention.
There are people who had this problem without any aftermarket stuff. I just dont like the fact that they love to blame aftermarket stuff for their own mechanical failures. Sure K&N might have been the cause, but I just want hard proof. not just something that came out of the tech's mouth or *cuz Mazda said so* If I install something ridiculous like a turbo then yeah sure its my fault. but am I ? |
Originally Posted by Jedi54
call them back tomorrow to get an update. If you stay on top of this, they're less likely tho think you'll just "rollover" when they try and void your warranty.
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no matter what, they shouldn't put a hold on the rest of you tsb's. the intake has nothing to do with a sunroof rattling. they are jacking you around. And they will probably continue to jack you around.
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Originally Posted by Aero8
no matter what, they shouldn't put a hold on the rest of you tsb's. the intake has nothing to do with a sunroof rattling. they are jacking you around. And they will probably continue to jack you around.
I need Airbag rattle Sunroof (they said its NORMAL to have rattles, wtf) Driver Side Weatherstrip (the rubber seal) Clutch Noise (the Clutch cut switch) I already forgot to mention some other stuff. But next time I will make sure I *remember them all*, just to get them to work on it. |
nycgps..
Honestly, if they mess around with you, go to another dealership.. Has to be one closer. I have had bad dealings like that, went to a knew one, started fresh, explained what the other dealership did/said.. Normally they are happy you came to them & therefore might try to help you out. My 2 cents.. |
I stronly urge you to go to another dealership. (after reading about what your Techs are saying)
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I just dig up the parts info for their *on order* parts.
F151-73-771F : the last word is F, not 1, and its the weather strip, AKA rubber door seal for the driver side FE62-16-510C : Now I wonder why are they ordering another clutch release bearing aka throwout bearing, I just changed mine like couple hundred miles ago. all I asked was to replace the CLUTCH RELEASE CUT SWITCH, the one right behind the fuxking clutch pedal. NOT BEARING !!! WTF ?! I even had the TSB with me and they looked at it .... N326-11-D03 : D03 not 003, and this is the PLIOT BEARING .... lol, I just had my clutch changed now I wonder what they gonna say when they see my new flywheel + clutch KL0118741 : I missed this number before, this number pulled up a bunch of stuff but they all have the same price and almost the same description ... all Solenoid and it cost less than 60 bucks each ~~~ they're actually that cheap? damn, I thought its alot more expensive. F184-44-010 : I cant find this one, I probably just cant *decrypt* his hand writing and got the wrong number. All these parts are freaking cheap, why are they making it such a big fuss about it ~ I mean come on I say it should take them no longer than 5 hours to finish everything. Big freaking deal. Damn stupid Mazda techs. I just told them I had some *noise when I step on my clutch* , shown them the TSB printout and they still got it wrong ..... damn retards. |
Originally Posted by Jedi54
I stronly urge you to go to another dealership. (after reading about what your Techs are saying)
If its bad news, I will have to fight with Mazda. If its good news .... then :rock: , go back to this dealership, to get everything fix. then I will never show up again. |
under the law, they can only void the warranty of parts that were hurt by the aftermarket mod, futhermore they have to prove it was the mod.
everything else, besides what was directly effected by the mod is still under warrant magnuss moss act, or some thing like that, i cant recall the name, its all over the forum though. . . . . good luck, dont take no sh*t from anybody, take no prisoners! :101384_l: |
I disconnected the vacuumm line from the VFAD which runs to the underside of the intake manifold and then capped with a vacuum nipple cap which I purchased from Pepboys or Checker Auto Parts.
Then I tucked the VFAD connector up close to the strut brace so it doesn't draw attention. ;) |
Originally Posted by 4 years to Supercharge
I disconnected the vacuumm line from the VFAD which runs to the underside of the intake manifold and then capped with a vacuum nipple cap which I purchased from Pepboys or Checker Auto Parts.
Then I tucked the VFAD connector up close to the strut brace so it doesn't draw attention. ;) Shit, Im gonna go there now and ask ! |
Originally Posted by rg200amp
under the law, they can only void the warranty of parts that were hurt by the aftermarket mod, futhermore they have to prove it was the mod.
everything else, besides what was directly effected by the mod is still under warrant magnuss moss act, or some thing like that, i cant recall the name, its all over the forum though. . . . . good luck, dont take no sh*t from anybody, take no prisoners! :101384_l: Like I said before, I want *prove* , not the tech's mouth or *cuz mazda said so* If they give me shit I will start a lawsuit trust me. Its good to have an attorney as your buddy :) I just need to pay him a case of beers :P |
Originally Posted by nycgps
They sell those nipple cap at Pepboys ?
Shit, Im gonna go there now and ask ! :ylsuper: |
lol !!!
Oh yes I found some at Pepboys ! but havent had a chance to install it yet. Might as well do it now :P |
Glad to have helped.
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I installed the nipples.
Threw that stupid plastic tube away (actually Im gonna keep it in my garage) Thx man :) |
Yep, it doesn't hurt to put a small zip tie on it to ensure it doesn't leak any air. The car doesn't idle as well when there is a leak. :)
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Really .... let me drive for a few days and see what happens.
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Just an FYI the Mazdaspeed Cold Air Intake does not use this plug or the vacum line that goes to the under side of the throtle body. So I would use that as some amunition.
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Originally Posted by 07rx8gt
Just an FYI the Mazdaspeed Cold Air Intake does not use this plug or the vacum line that goes to the under side of the throtle body. So I would use that as some amunition.
but I will keep that in mind. I dont have time to call this dumb dealership yet. Might as well do it tomorrow. I'll keep you guys post. |
to help you there is a crazy vdaf code that comes up... it does not make the light go off. but can happen..
it would do the same thing with the ms intake. dont ask me how i know and i dont have the ms intake.. knowledge is power.. beers :beer: |
Originally Posted by swoope
to help you there is a crazy vdaf code that comes up... it does not make the light go off. but can happen..
it would do the same thing with the ms intake. dont ask me how i know and i dont have the ms intake.. knowledge is power.. beers :beer: I will call tomorrow and see what kind of shit they gonna say. |
Originally Posted by nycgps
Thats true. I get this CEL because the Computer is not detecting shit from the solenoid. I got this CEL even before I disconnect it. I guess most Mazda tech just dont know jack about how this car works.
I will call tomorrow and see what kind of shit they gonna say. beers :beer: |
Those asswipes I left a msg couple of times but no one call me back.
I might have to go there just to yell the crap out of them, man .... I hate dealerships. |
Originally Posted by nycgps
Those asswipes I left a msg couple of times but no one call me back.
I might have to go there just to yell the crap out of them, man .... I hate dealerships. Your easy to avoid on the phone - personal contact is the only way - keep your temper down. |
Originally Posted by Phil's 8
I had a similar experience where the dealer would not reflash due to the RB cold air intake system and the Mazport cooling mod. We went around and around on "the law". I contacted Mazda and they refused to get involved with the dealer but they did tell me if I removed the mods and put back as stock that the dealer would give me the reflash and check my other engine related complaints (non engine complaints were repaired on first trip). So I went back to the dealer and had the tech come out to show me what he considered "mods" as I was not going to be a happy camper if the made me remove the RB catback, RP super cat, coolers or suspension parts. In short to get the reflash I had to remove the RB cold air intak and Mazport cooling mod. You may have to do the same.
Your easy to avoid on the phone - personal contact is the only way - keep your temper down. Why would I want it to be disconnected ? First of all its completely useless, second of all I have the same CEL even before I disconnect it. If they dont give it to me, its fine, but Im just piss about their Tech's attitude, I already kept my temper down, if I didnt I think yell the crap out of them already. I dont even feel like to call them anymore. I might just go to another dealership(closer one) and talk to them, see what they say. |
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