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MazdaManiac 06-09-2010 10:19 PM

Where are you getting "replaced" from in anything I've said?

Seriously, how do you get through your day being so angry? It must be really difficult.

What does how many RX-8s I've owned or how many engines I've had (7, BTW) have to do with it? You know nothing about what I do or for whom, so don't speculate.

Mazda stopped making S1 housings in October. Whether or not they start making them again doesn't help anyone right now. When the S1 housings become available again, I'm sure everyone will be happy. I know I will.

BTW - Is English your first language? I'd hate to think that all this "talking past" stuff is just because you don't understand me.

ASH8 06-09-2010 10:37 PM

B..Hell..

You said 'that's all that's available anymore, anyway' ....this advice is NOT CORRECT!

You should have said...these S1 housings are Temporally Out of Stock and (if correct, I have to take your word) are on back order..

I will let you know when I have more information available..

BTW: just in..Plenty of S1 housing in Australia (just had it confirmed)...would you like some..??

..Me the angry one....HA that is a laugh...you are the one who needs a reality check, most of your posts put others offside...I wonder why...they don't understand your English or Attitude??

MazdaManiac 06-09-2010 10:45 PM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3593050)
BTW: just in..Plenty of S1 housing in Australia (just had it confirmed)...would you like some..??

Again, you aren't actually reading me and, instead, just making up whatever thing you feel like arguing about.
I'm sure there is some new-old stock in backwaters like OZ. There just isn't any new production.
So, for those of us that get our stuff directly from the source instead of the retail shelf, there aren't any left.
Talk to RB, MT and the like. They have the same dilemma.
Walthall has a backlog because of this, too.



Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3593050)
Me the angry one

Exactly. It's like you are just burning up or something. Worry less about my "attitude". You'll be happier.

ASH8 06-09-2010 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3593060)
Again, you aren't actually reading me and, instead, just making up whatever thing you feel like arguing about.
I'm sure there is some new-old stock in backwaters like OZ. There just isn't any new production.
So, for those of us that get our stuff directly from the source instead of the retail shelf, there aren't any left.
Talk to RB, MT and the like. They have the same dilemma.
Walthall has a backlog because of this, too.




Exactly. It's like you are just burning up or something. Worry less about my "attitude". You'll be happier.

"directly from the source" who is in your case??

I suggest the reason for "your" shortage could be that MNAO Renny Re-man plant is taking ALL the US allocation from MMC Japan ???

My dealer, who buys direct from Mazda Australia has stock.
Mazda Australia has plenty.

MazdaManiac 06-09-2010 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3593069)
I suggest the reason for "your" shortage could be that MNAO Renny Re-man plant is taking ALL the US allocation from MMC Japan ???

As I've said TWICE now, Walthall has NONE.
There is seriously a communication gap of some sort here...

9krpmrx8 06-09-2010 11:11 PM

Okay, well there is some input, that's a good start :) I am getting a better picture now, thanks for the clarification. Like I said, it may not be "cost effective" but can it be done for a reasonable price? I have found a couple of wrecked 09's already locally and the salvage yards don't appear to know there is a difference in the engines at all so prices are actually pretty close. Now for all the associated parts needed, shouldn't be too, too much.

ASH8 06-09-2010 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3593091)
As I've said TWICE now, Walthall has NONE.
There is seriously a communication gap of some sort here...

SORRY MATE...BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHO OR WHAT WALTHALL IS....OK..
this is part of your trouble...like many Yanks, you like to keep everything SHORT and Assume....explain yourself better..

Remember what I said about assuming???

MazdaManiac 06-09-2010 11:19 PM

Walthall = The MNAO reman plant.
Seeing as how its the BIG one, and you are, apparently, the BIG one, I figured you might have a clue.
Sorry.

ASH8 06-09-2010 11:23 PM

Jesus you are a fucking cock head aren't you...

nycgps 06-09-2010 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 3593094)
Okay, well there is some input, that's a good start :) I am getting a better picture now, thanks for the clarification. Like I said, it may not be "cost effective" but can it be done for a reasonable price? I have found a couple of wrecked 09's already locally and the salvage yards don't appear to know there is a difference in the engines at all so prices are actually pretty close. Now for all the associated parts needed, shouldn't be too, too much.

this is like doing a S5 swap into a S4. (1989-1991 FC into 1986-1988 FC)

you have to pretty much "get everything from the S2", including computers, harness, whatever crap the engine is attached to, etc.

I dont know man, forget about money first.

To me, these kind of swap just not worth the time. if u get another extra 50 hp then maybe. and these swap are not as easy as using S5 housing for S4 engine.

MazdaManiac 06-09-2010 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3593106)
Jesus you are a fucking cock head aren't you...

And you are an ignorant, insulting, useless asshole. Get over yourself.
Really, what is your point here? To just parrot the WSL?
Get out from behind the counter and find something useful to do. Like falling off a ledge.


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3593109)
To me, these kind of swap just not worth the time. if u get another extra 50 hp then maybe. and these swap are not as easy as using S5 housing for S4 engine.

Precisely. I'm not really sure what the point of this intellectual exercise is, other than just to ponder it.

ASH8 06-10-2010 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3593134)
And you are an ignorant, insulting, useless asshole. Get over yourself.
Really, what is your point here? To just parrot the WSL?
Get out from behind the counter and find something useful to do. Like falling off a ledge.

...Just to prove you only think you know it all about the subject of rotor housings Montgomery Mazda in USA can get 3 Brand New Series 1 Rotor Housings N3H1-10-B10C...Not available anymore Hey..you must have a great supplier source...'that is the point'.

Goes to prove you will say anything to suit YOUR conversations...what a Jerk.:wavey:

MazdaManiac 06-10-2010 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3593374)
...Just to prove you only think you know it all about the subject of rotor housings Montgomery Mazda in USA can get 3 Brand New Series 1 Rotor Housings N3H1-10-B10C...Not available anymore Hey..you must have a great supplier source...'that is the point'.

Goes to prove you will say anything to suit YOUR conversations...what a Jerk.:wavey:

I.
Don't.
Buy.
Retail.

Which part of that don't you understand?

Somebody help me here. Am I not clear about what I am saying?

ASH8 06-10-2010 09:46 AM

Jeez, you originally stated that S1 Housings were not available ANYmore...in USA

If a US Mazda Dealer can BUY them in at Dealer Price then your Supplier can...and you won't pay Retail will you!!!

And if you REALLY wanted Housings, why would you CARE what price you pay??, after all you have gone through 7 engines, so finance is not an issue.

MazdaManiac 06-10-2010 09:59 AM

You might be the densest child ever. Truly stunning.


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3593461)
If a US Mazda Dealer can BUY them in at Dealer Price then your Supplier can...and you won't pay Retail will you!!!

A US dealer CAN'T buy them. That is my point.
What they already have is all there is. Which part of that are you not getting?

If Nabisco stopped making the 'Nilla Wafer but Safeway still has them in stock, what does that mean for the guy running the 7-11?

9krpmrx8 06-10-2010 10:17 AM

Well, maybe I will look at installing a LS instead :)

MazdaManiac 06-10-2010 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 3593495)
Well, maybe I will look at installing a LS instead :)

After considering the LSx, I've actually been thinking SR or 4G swap.

Brettus 06-10-2010 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3593535)
After considering the LSx, I've actually been thinking SR or 4G swap.

You would earn a lot more kudos by using your talents to develop the reliable 400whp renesis ....












IMO

9krpmrx8 06-10-2010 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3593535)
After considering the LSx, I've actually been thinking SR or 4G swap.


4G63 or SR Red Top. Both are very reliable. Stand alone ECU?

HaydonGS 06-10-2010 04:19 PM

Red top SR20 would match your car lol.
The ls is an amazing engine for a pushrod V-8 but for the RX i say try something new. Why not
SR20 No parts shortages there.
I know i will keep the Rx-8 as long as I can and have thought about engine swaps alot and I will probably end up doing the ls series but I'd love to see all kinds of engines stuffed into our car.

ASH8 06-10-2010 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3593481)
You might be the densest child ever. Truly stunning.



A US dealer CAN'T buy them. That is my point.
What they already have is all there is. Which part of that are you not getting?

Montgomery Mazda (a US Dealer) can buy in 3...so what part are you not getting?

nycgps 06-10-2010 05:16 PM

Damn ...

Ash, MM. Could you guys like, cut it out?

Brettus 06-10-2010 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3594199)
Damn ...

Ash, MM. Could you guys like, cut it out?

:yelrotflm

nycgps 06-10-2010 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3594186)
Montgomery Mazda (a US Dealer) can buy in 3...so what part are you not getting?

I think MM was trying to say after those 3. US dealers will not be able to get them anymore

I ran a check and all Mazda have now is really 3. Didn't check to see if they will be getting more tho

9krpmrx8 06-10-2010 05:47 PM

Is this a series II?

http://www.rotaryaviation.com/custom_mazda_engines.html

MazdaManiac 06-10-2010 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3594214)
I think MM was trying to say after those 3. US dealers will not be able to get them anymore

I ran a check and all Mazda have now is really 3. Didn't check to see if they will be getting more tho

Montgomery already has those 3.
There are no more to get.
Check with RB, Mazdatrix, etc. There are no more.
Maybe there will be more someday, but as of October 17th, 2009, Mazda stopped making S1 housings.
For those of us that order directly from Mazda, there are no more S1 housings to purchase.

Was that clear enough.

There are no more. You can't get them anymore.


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 3594055)
You would earn a lot more kudos by using your talents to develop the reliable 400whp renesis .

Since when do I do things for "kudos"?


Originally Posted by HaydonGS (Post 3594117)
Red top SR20 would match your car lol.

Indeed!


Originally Posted by HaydonGS (Post 3594117)
SR20 No parts shortages there.

Part of its appeal. Same goes for the Mitsu powerplant.


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 3594251)
Is this a series II?

No.

Brettus 06-10-2010 11:50 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3594266)

Since when do I do things for "kudos"?

.

Thought your ego was the size of Texas - sorry my mistake .

nycgps 06-11-2010 12:17 AM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3594266)
Montgomery already has those 3.
There are no more to get.
Check with RB, Mazdatrix, etc. There are no more.
Maybe there will be more someday, but as of October 17th, 2009, Mazda stopped making S1 housings.
For those of us that order directly from Mazda, there are no more S1 housings to purchase.

Well, not trying to say you're wrong or anything but, I can buy it from Mazda right now, well, at least thru MMS I can.

maybe its the same one from Montgomery? (Share database maybe?)

N3H1-10-B10C right? I checked it before, the status shows IC, so it "should be" in Mazda's own warehouse in California. I could be wrong tho.

Im trying to take a screen shot of the status but Mazda's database usually go down at night while they're updating their inventory. Will try to take it again tomorrow morning.

I mean Mazda might have stopped making it. but consider there are a lot of Rx-8 S1 still running around, I really doubt that.

More like they're just making them slowly and ship them super slowly(demand isn't high anyway)

Why I said that?

cuz I ordered a set of Stock shocks for my FC S5 about a month something 2 ago.

They have both front shocks and springs.

but the rear on the other hand(no springs too), nothing. but my experience is that if Mazda no longer makes them, they will cancel your backorder in a few days and notify you by email. but nope, no cancel, just back order.

After month something, I called them. and was told that Mazda ship heavy/bulky parts by boat. So it could take months for it to arrive.

So I just keep waiting.

and about a week something ago, I finally got my first rear spring, no shocks yet. then the first shock and 2nd spring came about another week after. Mazda still owes me a rear shock. Still waiting.

nycgps 06-11-2010 12:22 AM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 3594251)

Rx-8 Series II ? hell no.

Thats FC's Turbo II 4 port engine. they just took Mazda's top mount intercooler logo + the Clutch fan away.

nycgps 06-11-2010 07:19 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Just checked it again this morning, and noticed that Mazda "finally" updated their database, probably updated it last night cuz I didn't see the ETA when I was checking it yesterday.

new housing will be here by July 14th 2010.

https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1276259625

nycgps 06-11-2010 11:56 AM

This is not the only time that it took months. Before Mazda. Get their parts in. For example last October they were out of mazdaspeed bumper in primer. Took them 5 months to get it

Zanzo888 03-04-2014 12:28 PM

So is there any conclusion if could be possible to replace a series I engine with Series II engine?.. :bowdown:

I have a case with an RX-8, not mine. We have and RX-8 series I and a engine series II that was he already bought it without asking if is possible to put in his RX-8 series I.. :wallbash:

Thank you so much,,.

RIWWP 03-04-2014 12:32 PM

Possible? Yes. Anything is possible. It is possible to install a steam engine in the RX-8 if you want.

It's all about money, and how much you can afford to spend on a swap. In the case of this exchange, it's far more costly than it's worth to most people, considering how many electronics have to be swapped (ECU, gauge cluster, wiring harness at a minimum, likely every other module as well if the Series1 variant doesn't know how to talk to a Series2 ECU, etc...). If you have a full donor Series2 car on hand, it would be easier, and you would have to go all the way down to exchanging keys and locks to avoid having to tow it to a dealer to have everything re-matched together. If you have to buy each module individually, expect a rather large bill from the dealer to get it all talking to each other.

Zanzo888 03-11-2014 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by RIWWP (Post 4576140)
Possible? Yes. Anything is possible. It is possible to install a steam engine in the RX-8 if you want.

It's all about money, and how much you can afford to spend on a swap. In the case of this exchange, it's far more costly than it's worth to most people, considering how many electronics have to be swapped (ECU, gauge cluster, wiring harness at a minimum, likely every other module as well if the Series1 variant doesn't know how to talk to a Series2 ECU, etc...). If you have a full donor Series2 car on hand, it would be easier, and you would have to go all the way down to exchanging keys and locks to avoid having to tow it to a dealer to have everything re-matched together. If you have to buy each module individually, expect a rather large bill from the dealer to get it all talking to each other.

Ok,.. Thank you so much, I really appreciate your help.. Well, I will let you know what we can do here with what we have. ;)

pistonhater 03-11-2014 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by RIWWP (Post 4576140)
Possible? Yes. Anything is possible. It is possible to install a steam engine in the RX-8 if you want.

It's all about money, and how much you can afford to spend on a swap. In the case of this exchange, it's far more costly than it's worth to most people, considering how many electronics have to be swapped (ECU, gauge cluster, wiring harness at a minimum, likely every other module as well if the Series1 variant doesn't know how to talk to a Series2 ECU, etc...). If you have a full donor Series2 car on hand, it would be easier, and you would have to go all the way down to exchanging keys and locks to avoid having to tow it to a dealer to have everything re-matched together. If you have to buy each module individually, expect a rather large bill from the dealer to get it all talking to each other.

in which case it would be easier just to buy an S2, LOL.

But you are correct....anything is possible with money.

nycgps 03-13-2014 10:27 AM

steam engine? do we even have enough room for that ? or should I say, can the chassis handle the kind of weight a steam engine brings? :lol:

RIWWP 03-13-2014 10:29 AM

All depends in the size. There are small steam engines out there. :)



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