Seafoam with a newbee!
Hey guys just want to recount my experience using Seafoam instead of Mazdas Zoom Cleaner (with pics).
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First off, this is what I used:
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seafoam
check the DIY of the carbon cleaning.......i used seafoam and had hella-smoke out of my car...
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These are the steps I went through:
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Now on 04 - 05 models you would remove the vacuum plugs from the auxiliary ports. Servicing ONE at a time!
06 and later models have vacuum hoses attached to the PCV system. As well remove one at a time. Since my car is an 04 I removed the front vacuum plug first and attached a hose that went from the port to the SeaFoam can. Like so-> Attachment 268759 Also removed the windshield washer fluid reservoir to make room to move about. |
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Crank engine for 10 sec (letting vacuum suck in the seafoam) and let it sit for 30 sec and repeat on that same port.
Now do the same for the second port. (remembering to plug the first port) Attachment 268758 |
Now let the SeaFoam sit for an hour or more.
After that grab your 2 cycle oil and do the the same as with the SeaFoam for each port. Cranking the engine for only 5 sec. Both ports only took about 4 oz. Next:
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As you can notice I edit a lot! First time doing this.
Just wanted to show other newbees and forum members alike it can be done. It's actually very easy. I also cleaned my MAF Sensor with Electric Contact Cleaner. Now my car is a lot smoother! I used to come up to a stop and my car would stumble like crazy. One time actually stalling. I thought about replacing my plugs and coils just wanted to get this done first(cheaper). Then going with the more expensive. Overall I would recommend this procedure to everyone! |
wait an hour before starting it to let the cleaner soak in well.
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What is the purpose of adding all that 2-cycle oil at the end, to mix with the seafoam? I don't recall that being part of the shop procedure. I don't think it will help with carbon removal, and shouldn't be necessary for startup.
I think it's just adding a lot of hydrocarbons to a situation where the exhaust will already be getting a big load of hydrocarbon from the seafoam, and adding unnecessary burden to the catalytic converter and increasing the amount of smoke. |
Originally Posted by Nubo
(Post 3331125)
What is the purpose of adding all that 2-cycle oil at the end, to mix with the seafoam? I don't recall that being part of the shop procedure. I don't think it will help with carbon removal, and shouldn't be necessary for startup.
I think it's just adding a lot of hydrocarbons to a situation where the exhaust will already be getting a big load of hydrocarbon from the seafoam, and adding unnecessary burden to the catalytic converter and increasing the amount of smoke. |
If more people followed this procedure their motors would retain compression for a lot, lot, lot longer. We've successfully disconnected the oil metering pump internals to trick engine management to think its still working. Naturally we all know that the need for this product to remove carbon comes from the oil metering pump. Adding 2 cycle to your fuel accomplishes the same thing but 2 cycle is designed to burn in a combustion event.
The process we've followed on older motors that come with our race donor cars is to pour the SeaFoam directly into all the spark plug holes after turning the motor over a few times here and there to insure the seafoam gets to all the seal grooves. We wait a few hours and add a little more to let it soak into all the sealing grooves. Then we wait overnight. Tonedef is right on the money---you fire this dude up (and it stumbles and stumbles) and you wouldn't believe the amount of what looks bright white smoke. It will do this for 5 or 10 minutes (it did for us). Take compression readings before and after and you'll see a difference. |
Originally Posted by EricMeyer
(Post 3331232)
If more people followed this procedure their motors would retain compression for a lot, lot, lot longer. We've successfully disconnected the oil metering pump internals to trick engine management to think its still working. Naturally we all know that the need for this product to remove carbon comes from the oil metering pump. Adding 2 cycle to your fuel accomplishes the same thing but 2 cycle is designed to burn in a combustion event.
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Originally Posted by Nubo
(Post 3331260)
Right, but are you agreeing with adding a big slug of 2-cycle at the end of the decarboning soak?
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Originally Posted by EricMeyer
(Post 3331232)
We've successfully disconnected the oil metering pump internals to trick engine management to think its still working.
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Originally Posted by Nubo
(Post 3331125)
What is the purpose of adding all that 2-cycle oil at the end, to mix with the seafoam? I don't recall that being part of the shop procedure. I don't think it will help with carbon removal, and shouldn't be necessary for startup.
I think it's just adding a lot of hydrocarbons to a situation where the exhaust will already be getting a big load of hydrocarbon from the seafoam, and adding unnecessary burden to the catalytic converter and increasing the amount of smoke. |
Originally Posted by tonedef
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Mazda tech's pump OMP output to 60% or more because using seafoam Or Mazda Zoom Cleaner will Clean chambers dry of what ever is in there including stock OMP injected oil. Causing FRICTION (this is not good!). That is why we use 2 cycle oil after the soak in process. To lubricate the chambers and reduce friction. Since we mortals can't tap into the ECM and adjust the OMP output.
- start the engine and run at 1500-2000 rpm until stablized and all smoke has dissipated. This alone takes at least 10 minutes. - rev to 6000 rpm, with quick cutoff (repeat 20 times!) It's only at this point that the TSB calls for the "MOP simulation test". Avoidance of cleaner-induced friction doesn't seem to be the point, since it probably takes a good half hour after start-up to get to this point, including the 6000 rpm bursts -- all done after the stripping effect of the cleaner. But I imagine "normal" MOP lubrication is restored within a short time of engine startup. I'm not sure I understand the purpose of 15 minutes of idle with high oil injection at this point of the procedure. Maybe a final attempt at dislodging loosened carbon by allowing oil to penetrate spaces opened up by the previous steps? Providing a means of conveyance for those carbon bits? Unblocking the MOP ports of sludge? I think you probably have a good idea about trying to emulate their MOP actions, but it would need to be after the 6000-rpm runup sequence is complete, otherwise the manually-injected oil is long gone by then. It would be tough to emulate a 15 minute stretch of sustained high lubrication. Maybe some heavy premix? |
I am interested in doing this but I was wondering If I should swap in my old plugs first? or does that matter?
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Originally Posted by Nubo
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Right, but are you agreeing with adding a big slug of 2-cycle at the end of the decarboning soak?
So by adding the 2-cycle you are adding that protection layer back but this time its clean. |
Originally Posted by mazdadude8
(Post 3332070)
I am interested in doing this but I was wondering If I should swap in my old plugs first? or does that matter?
Originally Posted by Nubo
(Post 3331891)
I think you probably have a good idea about trying to emulate their MOP actions, but it would need to be after the 6000-rpm runup sequence is complete, otherwise the manually-injected oil is long gone by then. It would be tough to emulate a 15 minute stretch of sustained high lubrication. Maybe some heavy premix?
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Did any of you guys change your oil after performing this procedure? I have a few people telling me I should....
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does seafoam come with the tube?
What 2 stroke oil can be bought from Autozone? I don't premix but I don't like the idea of cranking dry so I have no idea what to use. |
Originally Posted by Bigbacon
(Post 3435271)
does seafoam come with the tube?
What 2 stroke oil can be bought from Autozone? I don't premix but I don't like the idea of cranking dry so I have no idea what to use. |
Tube is 1/4in and about 3 feet in length. You'll find in at places like NAPA. And yes any 2 cycle or 2 stroke oil should be fine.
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