Premix on new reman engine
 

Aloha kakou,

OK before you shout I have searched long and hard. Any helpful PEOPLE out there I would appreciate an urgent reply. If you want to just grumble PLS don't bother.

I live in the middle of the Pacific so Idemitsu is NOT a short term solution (shipping rates here are astronomical anyway!).

The best I can find is "Lucas Semi-Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil Smokeless Low Ash - Meets ISO GD and JASO FC & FD Exceeds API TC" and unlike me is "Made in USA". I really have no idea what that all means. I could research it but life is too short.

So I know Idemitsu is regarded as the gold standard but is this the right stuff to put in if I have nothing else?

I ask because the first advice I saw was to drive a reman "like you stole it" then I saw much more conservative (respected) Racing Beat's break in plan. Most advice here seems to be take it easy for 500 - 2,000 miles. And lots of people say premix is a must.

So I want to put in some premix NOW. I just want to check this is the Lucas stuff described name your premix thread.

Finally this costs $8.99 at local NAPA more at O'Reilys. NAPA also has a Valvoline 2-Cycle oil for about $2-3 less. Would that be just as good?

Sorry for the long ramble just trying to get some stuff in asap as I have driven about 60 miles without and want to protect the engine asap.

Mahalo for reading this.

Aloha Steve

PS Oh and I believe everyone is using 8 fl oz/tank. I have a 3/4 full tank so am going to put about 8 oz in to get it going good and sticky!

If you're not willing to search and read on your own then don't expect to be spoon fed.

Exactly.

if i say what 9K and Emery_ said, I became an asshole and all these moral police will come from all over the world, tackle me down, say I don't know shit and stfu ; (

All I was looking for is- - "Yep that is the right stuff Steve if you cannot get hold of the Idemitsu" or "No, that stuff is not the Lucas stuff you should be using you need the xxxxx."

Would that really have been so difficult?

Once again I welcome any helpful comment.

My modified rant follows..... Sorry just peed off at the self righteous, anally retentive Rx8 fanatic mega posters who mistake noise for helpfulness.


a) If you read the message you will realise I HAVE spent well over two hours reading various (often conflicting threads)
b) the consensus is that the Japanese stuff ... Idemitsu whatever - is the best
c) I do not have that available here in any sensible time frame or reasonable expense....

So I wanted to double check the stuff I am proposing to put in in the morning, into my brand new engine, is the right stuff. Is that really such an odd query?

What I really do not understand is why you guys feel the need to post in threads like these. I have run bulletin boards for over 15 years and have NEVER, EVER met such a collection of narcissistic insecure children as I have here.

I am fully aware of how to search, I can construct Boolean search terms with the best of them. But a FRIENDLY chat amongst helpful people is all I was looking for. To me it is the lifeblood of a good board. ONCE AGAIN YOU DO NOT HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO ANY THREAD IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO.

You do not have to put a message here. As to being spoon fed - I am asking a question of people who know better than I. I am nervous, I am unsure. I have spent two hours looking and found a lot of confusion.

I have a new engine and want to do the best for it.

I am a writer who has not worked on cars for about 30 years. There are nice people who have lots of experience here. Some of them are capable of helpful advice without saying - "Why did you not search" They can actually read and exhibit empathy and kindness.

Why, I really do not understand this, why do you guys feel the need to sound off - are you just so super clever on Rx8s? Do you have no other things in your life you have to give time to. I have had a hideously busy 24 hours and been ill but I still found about two hours to read lots of premix threads.

Sorry I am just so disappointed again at this bitching.

One last time - if you have nothing useful to say PLEASE DO NOT POST IN MY THREAD.

use whatever synth 2 stroke you can find that meets the latest specifications and has a low ash content.

Steve, that lucas oil sounds fine, considering the specs it meets. I'm not to familiar with the Valvoline oil, but I don't think it's meets JASO-FD like that lucas oil does. I'm pretty sure it's only TC-W3, which doesn't really help all that much as a premix anyhow.

BS, if you spent two hours reading then you need to learn how to read and search.

Here let me help you.

Let me google that for you

Wow... Look at that the second link is all you need.

If you actually searched at all there is no way you wouldn't have come across the gas/oil premix thread.

Thanks for that

And again thanks

Words fail me. Have a nice day. I HAD read that. That is one thread alone with over 3,000 replies. I said I had read a lot and just wanted to check something.

Yeah, please ignore the asshats that you'll find in threads like this. The Lucas product in your OP looks just fine.

yes that stuff will work fine for you,

if people spent less time being dick heads and helping people they would probably spend less time writing stupid responses with no usefulness what so ever, and i agree when you do search all you usually find is a post with someone with your same problem then the rest of the post is useless. minus big topics or common issues it, its almost useless to search,

Yeah, don't listen to the dickheads, listen to all the uneducated opinions instead, that will get you far and really help you understand what you are trying to accomplish.

If you had taken the time to actually read (not just on this site either) about premix, then you would know that there is no proof premixing your gas does jack shit to extend the life of a Renesis. It has never been tested in a scientific manner. I have seen premixed engines fail early and I have seen poorly maintained engines that never saw premix last 100,000 miles.

But yeah read all the "oh yeah my car idles smoother and run better with premix" posts, and listen to people who have zero wrench time on an RX-8 and just parrot what they have read or heard someone else post or say, that will help you a bunch.

Wah.

Really....

There are countless members (including myself) who pre-mix, and many notice/feel a 'happier' engine. We should all know it's main purpose (just like in a 2 stroke) to lubricate.

Does it extend engine life, well who really knows...it can't hurt, provided one use a good pre-mix.

You know as well as I do that there are so many reasons as to 'why' ANY rotary will fail.

Most of the pre-mix S1's which failed started to mix well after the engine was @ half life, IMO damage and or uneven seal wear was already done, other wise why did Mazda add a middle Oil Injector from MY 2009....just for fun I guess..

The few pre-mixed engines I have seen that have failed were because of other issues not related to their compression seals...like boosting an old engine perhaps, poor servicing, low engine oil, failed/poor ignition, driving style/use.

Wah...indeed.

There is no real evidence to support that it does anything to extend engine life. All we do know is that without the Oil metering system, on premix only, these engines die quick. Can it hurt? Well yes it can, and it is irresponsible of you to state otherwise. The wrong type of 2 stroke could destroy your cat converter. And which type of 2 stroke would that be Ash8? And in your expert opinion, what would you consider is a "good premix"?

I have seen engines fail that were premixed from day one. Two actually locally, and both used Idemitsu. Does that have anything to do with the failure mode? No. But did the premixing do anything to extend the life of the engine? No. One died of a slow loss of compression and the other of a faulty coolant seal. There are many other examples as well (Expo1's second Mazmart engine comes to mind).

You said it yourself, you engine feels "happier". What does that even mean? Is that the same as the feeling you get of having more horsepower after installing a K&N or Injen intake even though it has been proven they offer no power gains?

Oh, and in case anyone is wondering, I no longer premix my fuel. I do use Idemitsu in my SOHN reservoir and have increased OMP rates though. But if putting premix in your tank makes you feel better then rock on, I totally get that. But, if you are doing it expecting to feel a difference, increased gas mileage, or if you think it is going to make your Renesis not eventually fail then you are sadly mistaken.

I guess you know...

My 2 cents worth, I bought my 8 with 35k klm's, before I premixed, the engine had a low sounding rattle,while premixing, the rattle disappeared , I drove it like I stole it every day until it failed at 80k kilometers.

Literally worth 2 cents^

mmm, I guess I have to use the spoon so you get the drift, the premix eliminated the rattle ! If you can't contribute anything useful rather than increasing your "post" count, STFU dipshit.

Hello all,
I'd like to say that I really don't know if premix works.
I don't know that it doesn't.
I have read numerous opinions and threads.
This has been debated ad nauseum, and I have had many questions on this subject, and have had for the most part been treated respectfully.

That being said, I chose to start premixing with different brands of Jaso certified low ash oils, based mainly on local availability.

I made my decision only because I thought adding 8 ounces of oil designed to lubricate while burning would do less harm than not adding any.

Just my own personal thoughts.

I have no kind of evidence whatsoever, but I believe the "Butt Dyno" (thanks to whoever coined that!) has detected slightly better performance.
It could also be the Placebo Effect.

MauiMazda, I understand being frustrated, but you chose to participate in a public Forum.
You can also choose to ignore the people whose responses you don't care for.

In case you didn't read anything else posted before you, one person's personal experience means basically nothing. Do you want me to pull out a spoon for you and move it all around like an airplane while I feed you?

I bet the premix made your AC colder too, huh?

Yeah I know. But sure, premix fixed a rattle :rolleyes: I'd love to hear what you think the rattle was and how premix fixes it. Ignorant responses like yours Cro8tia, are exactly what I am talking about.

premix increased my mpg from 10 to 1000. Trust me

Here are my spark plugs after 22k miles on Lucas @ 0.5oz per Gallon.

Take the pics how ever you want...

Hey Furry,
were you having problems, CEL, or were you doing a tune-up?

btw 9k, mazda did test premix and it did proof that premix is the best for rotary engine. so its not a he said she said bs.

shit does happen, ppl never smoke nor drink can get lung/liver cancer as well, know what i mean?

putting premix with sohn adapter does not solve the fundamental problem of early 13b-msp dude. you can increase omp and max it out at 60 at all blocks, but still not going to help.