maybe new engine club
 

this is my story.....

okay one day i was sitting in my house and someone knocks on my door. My wife and I were watching tv and got up to answer the door. It was two of our neighbors, we lived in apartments. They said, "your car backed into ours." We were shocked about this and scuddled down to the parking lot. When we get down there my car rolled into a white corolla and this bitch backed into my car with a silver alero. We call the cops and they check it out and we get all of our insurances swapped. Oh yeah our e brake handel was up and it has done this again since then. We call her insurance which was progressive and they tell us to take our car to jordan valley for repairs, after the adjuster came out and all that blah blah blah, of course.

So we take it to Jordan Valley Body Shop and they do all the things they would normally do, so enterprise comes and picks us up and we get the car and the usual. So, the next day we call them up so we can come see how our baby was doing. they had it sanded down pulled all the dents out and had very little bondo on it i was pleased with that. They said you will have to wait a couple of days to get the vent in, it was hit in the fender. So we said okay, so we check in a couple of days, and they weren't done. We go to look at the paint job and it looks good, but the car is on a battery charger. I said, "why was the battery dead"? They kinda just shrug, so I thought maybe they left the lights on or something.

Well, the next day the body shop calls me and says my car won't start cause the plugs are fouled out. So, I shit a brick and haul ass to the body shop, sit in my car, and try to start. You know when it isn't starting right. I get out and they tell me they will get the plugs for me at their cost since it is there and they will replace them, at $19 a plug. I said, "no, it was running fine when I left you guys started it, and you flooded it. It cranked when you used it, and you used it last. What did you guys do with it when it last ran"? They said, "we started it and moved it to the bay and shut it off." Then I said, "so you flooded it." They wouldn't assume any responsiblity.

So I called progressive and told them the story, he also said he has never heard of having to run the car till it warms up so I told him to call jason in service at Mazda. He verified this information and replaced the plugs, in the body shop and said if we have any more problems they will take it to Mazda. Well that was in September. They got the car running when the replaced the spark plugs. I have been having problems with the car running. since it has gotten cold it won't stay started at lights and it won't start hardly at all when the engine is warm. I went to Mazda today and I told them my symptoms and they asked if it has been flooded before. I say yeah and tell them my story.

Well come to find out there is a procedure to deflooding an engine and lubricating it and replacing the spark plugs. He said probably needs a new engine after flooding 2-3 times the engine usually needs replaced. 99.99% of engines that have to be replaced are usually due to flooding the engine. It causes carbon build up and the apex seals go across the carbon build up and causes wear spots in the seals, and they will need to be replaced. So I called progressive today and they are paying for a compression test and diapnostic on my car tomorrow. I might be a part of the new engine club.

I bought this car used and don't know what they did to take care of the engine. I know I am going to get a remote starter on it to warm it up to operationg temperature before driving. I learned alot today that I didn't know. The guy I talked to today has been a rotary tech for almost 20 years, he knew alot of good information. Even about the mid pipe. He said that was a definate no no due to the pcm and the two oxygen sensors. So I am going to go with a stock cat and new exhaust. Maybe do a header and exhaust not exactly sure. Cost of new engine and install here $4850 labor seals and engine. yay! hope they find it was due to flooding it. Oh also for you guys who didn't figure it out already the battery was dead due to them cranking on it cause it was flooded.. Stupid dumb ass people need to learn their different cars, and how to drive them.

And oh yeah the engine has 105000 miles on it yay!!! go me!!!

Wow, yeah that would piss me off too. If you do get a new engine, make sure you never leave the car in someone else's care without making it abundantly clear that they should let the car warm up before shutting it down.

Post a note on the steering wheel and on the dash. Do whatever needs to be done to get your point across without seeming like a dick (so they won't intentionally flood the car )

Anyway, good luck with your car man.

Holy Crap - that is one long, unreadable paragraph.

I got to the part where your car backed into another car.

That is what the Parking Brake is for. Rotaries do not have 'static compression' like a piston engine. The engine (in gear) will not told the car on any sort of hill without the parking brake being on.

As for the rest, well, it sounds like your life story is not very positive. I'm sorry to hear that.

Please edit your post & push the ENTER key on your keyboard every few times you see a little dot at the end of a sentence.

Like this.

sorry didn't add that sentence the handle was up and it has rolled since then as well and i know about the static compression. what would cause this also?

Thanks for reformatting :)


As far as a car rolling. It is damn near impossible if you follow the following procedure:

• With the engine running, step hard on the footbrake.
• Pull up the parking brake handle. The handle should go up about four clicks until it becomes very difficult to pull farther.
• Switch off the engine, and put the car in first gear.

Note that by law, you also must kerb (curb) your wheels. Read your driver's ed manuals to figure out which way to turn them depending on uphill/downhill kerb/no kerb.

If the rear brakes are cold, and you have the engine off and your foot off the brake, and your parking brake is not properly adjusted to specifications, or the rear pads are glazed, or you're not strong enough to pull the handle; then the parking brake may not hold.

you can't curb your car when all the cars are side by side and the hill is very steep like you can't push your car up it by no means... and it is two rows kinda like this

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hmmm.... so if i flood my engine several times it will kill it and mazda will replace it under the 100k warranty?

if it has a certain vin number i talked to them about that also..

I have flooded it two times plus the body shop once and i don't know home much the other owners did. the first time was accident the spark plug wire came off, the body shop did it the second time and i have done it cause my car doesn't start right now. it has not been starting right for about two months now..

but yeah sure i guess so from what that guy was saying, maybe at 60,000 miles flood it once a week and let the carbon build up and let it ruin the apex seals he said it causes carbon build up in the engine and causes excessive wear on the seals.

Be your luck it wouldn't break until after 100,000 miles lol

hmmm... so if i get to like 90k miles ill just flood is often and get me a new engine :) lol....

Dude that is harsh to your car. I treat mine like I would want to be treated clean and rode hard. lol.. I go no where without it, and every one seems to try and fuck it over. It has been flooded by a service personnel (body shop worker) and the battery has been killed by another service personnel. That was also a bitch. It didn't run right after that either.

i am in love with my car too.. i was merely pointed out a fault in the system. but i guess the fault is in our favor

Okay.....................wait a second here.

You wrote:
Well come to find out there is a procedure to deflooding an engine and lubricating it and replacing the spark plugs. He said probably needs a new engine after flooding 2-3 times the engine usually needs replaced. 99.99% of engines that have to be replaced are usually due to flooding the engine. It causes carbon build up and the apex seals go across the carbon build up and causes wear spots in the seals, and they will need to be replaced. So I called progressive today and they are paying for a compression test and diapnostic on my car tomorrow. I might be a part of the new engine club.

I bought this car used and don't know what they did to take care of the engine. I know I am going to get a remote starter on it to warm it up to operationg temperature before driving. I learned alot today that I didn't know. The guy I talked to today has been a rotary tech for almost 20 years, he knew alot of good information. Even about the mid pipe. He said that was a definate no no due to the pcm and the two oxygen sensors. So I am going to go with a stock cat and new exhaust. Maybe do a header and exhaust not exactly sure. Cost of new engine and install here $4850 labor seals and engine. yay! hope they find it was due to flooding it. Oh also for you guys who didn't figure it out already the battery was dead due to them cranking on it cause it was flooded.. Stupid dumb ass people need to learn their different cars, and how to drive them.

While I am completely with you on your bad luck, look at what you wrote(I put it in red). I'm annoyed by your last sentence because you should have known all this info already. Do you have a manual for your car? Have you read it? If you had, you would know 90% or better of what's in red, so how can you say "stupid dumb ass people need to learn different cars and how do drive them when you don't?
Not picking on you, but that just doesn't make sense.

Print out the below and put it in your glove box. when you leave the car with someone, tell them about the flooding and what it will cost them if they flood it, then put this sign on the dash!

By the way.........I'm not disputing him, but I'm not 100% sure he has the data to back up the two statements in green. Whether I might agree with him or not is a different story! :)


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all of the stuff in red i already knew, what i didn't know is that the modifiying of cat and air intake also is a big nono on these cars due to the very pricise, by millivolt limits on the car. i also knew not to flood it. as far as the 99.99% i don't know if that is true or not but that is what he is telling me

here is diagnosis
codes p0037 -rear o2 sensor, p0300- random misfire, p0456- evap system, performed compression test kPa- front 1-4.2, 2-4.5, 3-4.1m rpm 172 rear 1-0, 2-0, 3-0, rpm 172. after charging battery front 1-4.9, 2-4.5, 3-4.7 rpm 190, rear 1-3.3, 2-3.4, 3-3.1, rpm 190 min. should be 8.0 compression. ran cat monitor switching test- failed- no switching because no rear 02 senor and cat converter punched out. 4 coils and wires -good, run oil pump metering test -could not finish test because of excessive smoke, tested secondary air injection shutter valves- passed vehicle will need an engine to repair concern will also need to have o2 and new cats for proper operation of new engine- can not verify proper engine operation because of missing components and added aftermarket parts. can not say vehicle being flooded caused the concern for engine damage. no o2 sensor and cat damage causes pcm not to operate engine at proper operation levels.

so from these guys no mods should be done it will cause problems

air intake- causes the back pressure to be low

no cat- causes the rear o2 sensor to not work properly, which causes the pcm not to know what to do

and i have no o2 sensor,

so i guess beware aftermarket parts on these cars.

anyone else have problems with engines after adding parts.
they say it doesn't affect immediately but over time this is waht happens.

Bullshit. A properly installed intake and midpipe will not cause some magical damage to the car because it's a rotary or otherwise. The reason Mazda doesn't want people modifying the car is they don't want to be held accountable for the work that was done with non-standard non-Mazda parts with non-Mazda technicians, not because the parts are inherently dangerous for the car.

For example, the AEM cold-air intake for the RX-8 is the exact same one that Mazdaspeed (which counts as OEM Mazda) uses. If you get the Mazdaspeed intake installed by a Mazda dealership you will not have them tell you that your "loss of backpressure" or whatever other bullshit blew your motor. If you install the AEM intake yourself on jackstands they will tell you that the sky is falling and you caused your car to spontaneously explode because you put aftermarket parts on it.

Educate yourself, do the research on the car and the parts you are putting on it. By law they cannot deny warranty repairs unless they can show that the failure was a result of the aftermarket part in question. The O2 sensors and midpipe won't explode your car either although they are not legal modifications. Did they seriously try to tell you that not having O2 sensors would break your PCM? I guess all of us running midpipes are doing it wrong. :P

you can not properly install an air intake? lol put it on backwards or upside down? lol

Hey I might be getting a new engine also! I have 70,000 on my car and my mazda tech said that it is due to carbon buildup also. He is also trying to get mazda to throw in a new starter for me since apparently my car had a history before i was the owner of cranking all day and no start. Gotta love when people mess up and we get free stuff haha good luck with your engine!!

^....and I thought I was being nit-picky about your first post. Okay, nevermind, go about your business.....believe what you believe. I'm done with this thread. :banghead:

Oh crap, reading in these forums is making my brain ache.....soooo many problems from RX8 owners!!!!! My '04 or should I say late 7/03 GT model just came off five year lease form a one owner (non-smoker) with less than 46,000 miles, all I can say is I have smiles,,,,, many of them, this car is the bomb...... reminds me of hairscramble days riding the yz250... Will be changing oil faithfully just to keep the rebuild/new engine prolonged as long as possible....

The same people that told you installing an intake or a midpipe would ruin your engine would probably install an intake wrong yes.

yeah i kinda thought of this..

if you install a cold air intake and an exhaust on a honda civic it will cause the piston rings to fry and then they will need to be replaced...

You do know that the engine comes with 100K miles/96 months warranty right ?

Flooding does not cause engine to "die", carbon does, and if you Run it hard, most likely it will go away.

and mid pipe wont "kill" your engine. the 2 O2 sensors have very different purposes. Front one for Oxygen Feedback(needed for fuel trim), the rear one is just there to check and see if the CAT is "there". The Rotary tech there will probably tell you is not good, cuz no CAT is against federal law and he cant tell you anything illegal. but is it harmful? of course not.

Go back there and get your 100K warranty.

Many ppl have 04 and they're ok.

People only whine when there is a problem, people without problems wont whine ... get it smarty ?

if you have to ask, stay away from this car, cuz u seems too n00bish to keep any cool car. Civic is your friend.

I think he was speaking tongue in cheek.

1.) mileage on my engine is 105000 miles

2.)if you read the tech told me that the flooding casues carbon build up

3.) if you read engine breakdown posts here carbon will cause premature wear on apex seals

4.) I always run my car hard, every shift is 6-9000 rpm and the gas is always to the floor when accelerating

5.) warranty void due to air intake and the cat being punched out

I did have an epiphany though.. the mazda tech could be yanking my chain, the engine could be fine and only need spark plugs.... what do you guys think of that?