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endowdly 05-17-2010 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 3562412)
So - why do the ignitors overheat ?

Also they are really just a simple transistor. These are solid state components that are easily prone to overheating with just current, let alone high heat from our little rotary. If transistors aren't designed to carry large amounts of current they aren't going to handle heat well, like Maniac said.

ASH8 05-17-2010 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3562707)
Ours do not.
Wouldn't matter - the coil isn't the problem.

Agreed.... ours (RX-8 and all modern EI Coils) does not..

The Old Style "Single" Coil in the Y-Tube Vid Demo looks like the type which is Oil Filled, that is what I was referring to as not only just wire.:)

paulmasoner 05-18-2010 01:01 AM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3562263)

If you want to separate the coil section and show us how you can saturate and fry it, we will all applaud politely, commend you on your "ingenuity" (much in the same way we congratulate competitors in the Special Olympics) and then go on with our lives in the real world.

but thats the fun part :evil_laug hehe


The Old Style "Single" Coil in the Y-Tube Vid Demo looks like the type which is Oil Filled,
it is

ASH8 05-18-2010 01:22 AM


it is
Don't know what you mean "it is" or It Is... in Agreement?....:)

Anyway from Bosch Australia..

Since the first Kettering ignition system was introduced by Bosch in 1925 to replace magneto style ignition systems, the ignition coil has remained virtually unchanged. The familiar oil filled coil proved itself more than capable of providing a suitable high tension spark to keep pace with over 50 years of automotive development.
However the rapid progress of automotive engine technology since the late 70's brought about the need for improvements in ignition system performance. So Bosch introduced the transformer coil. Bosch Australia has been supplying this style of coil as original equipment to the Australian vehicle manufacture's since 1987.

Today we offer a range of coils from traditional oil filled to transformer and electronic to suit a wide range of aftermarket applications.


http://www.bosch.com.au/content/language1/html/2250.htm

paulmasoner 05-18-2010 08:00 AM

agreement, that coil is oil filled

imop45 05-18-2010 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Stingray (Post 3562574)
I got mine from O'Reilly. I worked there a couple years ago and have dealt with Borg Warner quite a bit while I worked there. They (Borg Warner) seem like a pretty good stock replacement. Even if they only like 10K miles it takes 25 minutes to swap them out. I bought mine for about $135 in Edmond, Ok. If I do have any problems I'll just swap them out at the O'Reilly's in Stillwater. They overnight ship to all their stores everyday, unlike Autozone (also worked there).

I was talking with the service manager at Mazda Saturday regarding my car potentially needing a new engine and he informed me that misfires are acceptable on the Renesis, as long as the number is low, ~10-15 per drive cycle... Thought that was interesting.

I called the o'reilly just south of moore and that's what they told me.

Borg warner was $31 a piece with a lifetime warrantee, so you will NEVER EVER HAVE TO BUY COILS AGAIN.

even if they are inferior they're free replacemnts so you can't complain too much

bse50 05-18-2010 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by imop45 (Post 3563707)
Borg warner was $31 a piece with a lifetime warrantee, so you will NEVER EVER HAVE TO BUY COILS AGAIN.

even if they are inferior they're free replacemnts so you can't complain too much

Have you read their lifetime warranty?
The problem with the stock coils is that they wear pretty quickly, let's say 30.000mi, and stay there for at least 60\70.000miles before completely stop working. The issue is not that the coil breaks, it is that it stops working at optimal levels. How can you ask them to replace a coil that is still working?
Agreed that you could buy them as replacements but you would still be driving with crappy coils around for a long time before being able to inquire for a replacement, of a single coil! What about the other 3 that are still working poorly?
Just get the yukon coils and be happy with them for the life of your car :)

imop45 05-18-2010 10:08 AM

you didn't read the other posts.. Call o'reilly and ask them ask stingray who works at o'reilly. You bring them in, and they'll give you new ones. Period.

I posted the # on page 3 to the o'reilly I called.

So be happy about that :)

I even told them about the rx8 that said it's fine.

bse50 05-18-2010 10:58 AM

So you're basically saying that they change coils that are in working condition just because you bring them in?

MazdaManiac 05-18-2010 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by bse50 (Post 3563866)
So you're basically saying that they change coils that are in working condition just because you bring them in?

Its true - O'Reilly has a wonderful, unsustainable warranty. lol

I just got a MAF from them. $70 (the dealer pricing was $170) and lifetime replacement.
I'm willing to bet that after the second or third time in a year that I exchange my MAF, they are gonna modify my warranty.

bse50 05-18-2010 11:14 AM

That's good news then and that's probably why they don't open shops in Italy... you know... :)

MazdaManiac 05-18-2010 11:20 AM

Well, the other side of the problem is availability.
Each location will have limited (if any) stock on hand, so you can be waiting for days to get replacements.

Huey52 05-18-2010 11:27 AM

I've got the BHR Ignition System... I wait for no man (other than Ray I s'pose). ;)

MazdaManiac 05-18-2010 12:13 PM

Meh. For some people, just having the car start and run is enough.
Maybe a working radio.

imop45 05-18-2010 12:30 PM

stingray works at o'reilly. Ask him. Or simply call o'reilly and ask.

If you drive 90K in a year and have to take 30K coils back 3 times to get them exchaned, I think coils will be the least of your concerns.

in oklahoma at least, o'reilly respects the warrantees. I've bought a few lifetime things and went through 3 in a few months

imop45 05-18-2010 12:31 PM

1st one was my fault

and being able to turn is good too :)

imop45 05-18-2010 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by bse50 (Post 3563866)
So you're basically saying that they change coils that are in working condition just because you bring them in?

what, they're going to test it?

bse50 05-18-2010 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by imop45 (Post 3564033)
stingray works at o'reilly. Ask him. Or simply call o'reilly and ask.

If you drive 90K in a year and have to take 30K coils back 3 times to get them exchaned, I think coils will be the least of your concerns.

in oklahoma at least, o'reilly respects the warrantees. I've bought a few lifetime things and went through 3 in a few months

I understand your point but given your mileage\year wouldn't it be better to swap for better coils? I did several tests in several conditions (city roads, highway, track) and the yukon coils offer a slightly better gas\mileage versus new coils (0.5km\l or so) in all conditions but the new coils start getting worse after 15\20.000km and by that time you can reach a difference of 1.5km\l!
I don't think that the companies back these empirical tests up but that's what i've found with the kits i have installed.
Just some more food for thoughts, maybe not as relevant as it is here since gas is way less expensive in the states.

imop45 05-18-2010 12:41 PM

hmm, only 15k that's a really small number.

yeah it's convient o'reilly swaps out for free, but even more convient not having to swap them out at all.

how long did the yukon's last in your tests?

hmm, I'll have to research it a bit more, but if yukon coils increase mpg I'll have to add it to my comprehensive MPG thread

bse50 05-18-2010 12:48 PM

My first set of yukon coils was installed 16000mi ago, had like 6\7 track days and dozen of mountain runs in 35°c temps. I changed the plugs after 10.000km and am going to replace them again but the coils are still like new :)
You should pass the 100.000mi mark wthout problems with them and could probably reduce the spark plug change intervals a lot since the better spark keeps them really cleaner.
Just imagine changin your spark plugs every 40.000mi or so instead of every 30.000 which is a good average :)

MazdaManiac 05-18-2010 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by imop45 (Post 3564033)
I've bought a few lifetime things and went through 3 in a few months

What does that tell you? :rolleyes:

J03K1LLARX8 05-18-2010 01:21 PM

I had my coils for 46.5K. :rock: finally went out on me Sunday. :(

imop45 05-18-2010 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3564086)
What does that tell you? :rolleyes:

to go buy them:evil_laug


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