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Flashwing 08-25-2009 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 3189023)
Good stuff. I'm so curious to see what my temps are when its 109 degrees outside in traffic. WTF can't Mazda just add a oil pressure sensor and temp sensor to the ECU so my Scangauge can read it.

Sitting in traffic on hot days are one of the two situations when I see my oil temps get above 200 degrees. The lack of airflow through the coolers as well as the hot pavement cooking the oil pan pretty much makes this a cooling issue that has little in the way of fixes.

The only time I've had any serious problems was sitting on the Hoover Dam in traffic for over an hour. It was 115 there and I actually had to roll the windows down and turn on the heat to bring my temps under control. Had my cooling system been able to handle it the oil temps would have been no issue.

9krpmrx8 08-25-2009 10:04 PM

Well, cooling is my next area to tackle. I wanna get a couple of track days in 100 degree weather to see where I'm at first though. Now I just have to find a place to mount the oil temp gauge.

ayrton012 08-26-2009 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3183570)
Its Mazda's "reference" point. they didnt say if its minimum or whatever.

that simply means you "should" get it if your car is running normally (and using the right oil)

I think Im getting there, 93 degrees today + stuck in NYC bumper to bumper traffic + its all tarmac covered roads = super duper hot oil temp. hmm, it went up to 108 Celsius, but when I start moving, it got back down to around 101 and traffic just stopped. so I rev it to 3K, Im getting that pressure +/- maybe 5 psi (cuz it jumps up and down cuz A/C is on)

From Mazda:


4. Run the engine at the specified speed, and note the gauge readings.

• If not within the specification, inspect for the cause and repair or replace if necessary.
Note
• The oil pressure can vary with oil viscosity and temperature.
Oil pressure (reference value)
350 kPa {3.57 kgf/cm2, 50.8 psi} [3,000 rpm, Oil temperature: 100 °C {212 °F}]


I think it means the reference is the minimum.

ayrton012 08-26-2009 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 3185936)
Weird I took her up to red line and my pressures were almost 100PSI. At idle I'm at like 20PSI. But even this morning on the way to work fully warmed up (Now I always let my car get fully warmed up now before leaving the house) at 3k @70MPH I was at like 65PSI.

I am curious to see what happens to my pressures at the oil gets older.

100 PSi is a bit strange, because the bypass valve opens much earlier.

9krpmrx8 08-26-2009 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by ayrton012 (Post 3189830)
100 PSi is a bit strange, because the bypass valve opens much earlier.

I will do some high rev runs today and get some specific numbers.

ayrton012 08-26-2009 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 3189851)
I will do some high rev runs today and get some specific numbers.

Waiting for the datas.

The highest pressure on my gauge is about 73 PSI, even at 9krpm.

9krpmrx8 08-26-2009 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by ayrton012 (Post 3189873)
Waiting for the datas.

The highest pressure on my gauge is about 73 PSI, even at 9krpm.

oh wow, mine has gotten at least to mid 90's and I think 100 PSI but i will get specific data in a minute when I leave here.

Flashwing 08-26-2009 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 3189886)
oh wow, mine has gotten at least to mid 90's and I think 100 PSI but i will get specific data in a minute when I leave here.

Where are you pulling the pressure from? Are you using an adapter plate on the oil filter?

Another thing to check might be the grounds on your senders. If you happen to use prosport gauges they tend to have issues with resistance in the sender wires that shouldn't be there. I and a couple other local 8 owners had to run a secondary ground wire to ensure we got accurate readings.

9krpmrx8 08-26-2009 12:19 PM

I have the premium gauges so the ground is in the sender itself. I am pulling pressure from the oil filter, but I must have been smoking crack the first time I revved it up because now at red line its only right at 80PSI, highest was like 84PSI at like 8300RPM.

Here is what i saw on the way to have lunch at my daughters school.

RPM:8262 Water Temp:195 Intake Temp: 109 Oil Press: 83PSI

Did some more runs and they were right at about 80PSI at red line.

olddragger 08-26-2009 08:52 PM

now that is in line with what we are seeing with 10/40 and 20/50 weights.
olddragger

ayrton012 08-27-2009 02:57 AM


Originally Posted by olddragger (Post 3191278)
now that is in line with what we are seeing with 10/40 and 20/50 weights.
olddragger

You would reach the bypass valve's opening pressure - so the max 73-80 PSi - even with xxw-5 or xxw-10 oils, maybe even with water, at redline. The viscosity only settles where you get the max pressure in the rpm range. Lower or higher rpms.

olddragger 08-27-2009 04:29 PM

understand
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Flashwing 08-27-2009 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 3190132)
I have the premium gauges so the ground is in the sender itself.

I'm running the premium gauges as well. The ground that is used by the senders with the batch that myself and another rx8 owner got ended up being seriously off from other sensors (as much as 20+ degrees negative)

We wired in another ground wire after measuring the resistance and it solved the problem.

9krpmrx8 08-27-2009 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by Flashwing (Post 3192959)
I'm running the premium gauges as well. The ground that is used by the senders with the batch that myself and another rx8 owner got ended up being seriously off from other sensors (as much as 20+ degrees negative)

We wired in another ground wire after measuring the resistance and it solved the problem.


Do you have a pic of your solution? Wouldn't hurt for me to do this.

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