did i F**K up my car some how!?!
12-05-2004, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RX10000RPM
GREAT I'm not the only one who has been screwed over by Discount Tire 
About a two years ago back when I had my LT1 T/A I took it to Discount for a set of tires "the new BFG G-Forces" now my T/A was pushing close to 400hp at the wheels with out adding the extra 150HP shot of NOS on top off that, so if you had no idea of what you were doing you could break something pretty easily. any way a few hours later I recieve a call from Discount telling me car that my car has broke down in one of there bays 
. Once I arrived I hopped in my car and it started rite up, so asked the tech what the problem was? He replied " uuh well uhh it won't move" so I put it in gear and sure nuff it roll about a foot then BAM!!! the wheels would lock up, **** well at least they got all four of my new tires on I thought to my self. I had thought that maybe the new trany I had just install had some how screwed up so on the flat bed it went. I did not suspect any thing funny had went on tell I started to work on it the next day, I had jacked it up and begain runing it threw the gears, it had no problem shifting into any gear but the wheels would only turn about one rotation them BAM!!! WTF so I had made up my mind to remove the rear diff. cover to see if that was the problem. I nerly **** on my self when I saw what the problem was , about 6 of the teeth on my ring rear were sheard smooth off no way on earth I could driven it there like this and teeth on ring gears don't just fall off and to top it off who ever had there little fun for got to close my nitrous bottle!!! I won't get into any details as to what happend after that but I promise you, that Discount Tire store will remember me for years to come :D :D :D ..........Sorry they got to you to, it's those damn high school kids they have working there, they see a nice car and can't help them selfs but to screw it up then act like cry babies when they are made to fix what they broke .
About a two years ago back when I had my LT1 T/A I took it to Discount for a set of tires "the new BFG G-Forces" now my T/A was pushing close to 400hp at the wheels with out adding the extra 150HP shot of NOS on top off that, so if you had no idea of what you were doing you could break something pretty easily. any way a few hours later I recieve a call from Discount telling me car that my car has broke down in one of there bays . Once I arrived I hopped in my car and it started rite up, so asked the tech what the problem was? He replied " uuh well uhh it won't move" so I put it in gear and sure nuff it roll about a foot then BAM!!! the wheels would lock up, **** well at least they got all four of my new tires on I thought to my self. I had thought that maybe the new trany I had just install had some how screwed up so on the flat bed it went. I did not suspect any thing funny had went on tell I started to work on it the next day, I had jacked it up and begain runing it threw the gears, it had no problem shifting into any gear but the wheels would only turn about one rotation them BAM!!! WTF so I had made up my mind to remove the rear diff. cover to see if that was the problem. I nerly **** on my self when I saw what the problem was , about 6 of the teeth on my ring rear were sheard smooth off no way on earth I could driven it there like this and teeth on ring gears don't just fall off and to top it off who ever had there little fun for got to close my nitrous bottle!!! I won't get into any details as to what happend after that but I promise you, that Discount Tire store will remember me for years to come :D :D :D ..........Sorry they got to you to, it's those damn high school kids they have working there, they see a nice car and can't help them selfs but to screw it up then act like cry babies when they are made to fix what they broke .
12-05-2004, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CERAMICSEAL
You still haven't answered the question about whether you were there the whole time your car was being worked on. The possible abuse may not have been on your part; assuming there was any.
that's what I was after.... 4 DAYS ! Damn, you better talk to them
12-06-2004, 01:17 AM
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The tire shop did something to your car, the type of problem you describe does not happen on its own (at least not while parked with the wheels off). Ask them what they did, if they come clean and say they thrashed it and then put too much oil in it will help the Mazda techs diagnose the cause quicker. The other option is to wait until the mazda techs diagnose the cause of the problem, then you can go back to the tire shop and confront them with the prognosis!
Liars, liars, liars....
Liars, liars, liars....
12-06-2004, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by hoffa
well it was in the shop for 4days on stands w/ no tires...i dont know what could they do to damage it..
12-06-2004, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by hoffa
well it was in the shop for 4days on stands w/ no tires...i dont know what could they do to damage it..
When i bring any of my cars to shops or tires places i pull the car in and pull the car out and take down miles if i have to leave the shop for some reason. Just do to the fact that **** like that can happen.
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12-06-2004, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BrilliantBlack8
how do you know for sure it was up in the air for four days with no tires? I dont think it would be that hard for a tire shop to find a pair of tires and rims to throw on the car and go for a joy ride...and i have nevcer heard of someone having to leave there car at a discount tire for 4 days...how could you not think something funny was going on or check the miles on the car?
When i bring any of my cars to shops or tires places i pull the car in and pull the car out and take down miles if i have to leave the shop for some reason. Just do to the fact that **** like that can happen.
robert
When i bring any of my cars to shops or tires places i pull the car in and pull the car out and take down miles if i have to leave the shop for some reason. Just do to the fact that **** like that can happen.
robert
12-06-2004, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by hoffa
well they had to send the wheels to get straightened....so it would take more than one day to do..
12-06-2004, 06:45 PM
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i live on campus of UTSA so i dont own any tools or jacks... and by the way i got first word..that my catalytical converter is fried.. but that there is 7codes on my check engine that are beeping
12-06-2004, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by hoffa
well they had to send the wheels to get straightened....so it would take more than one day to do..
12-06-2004, 09:37 PM
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I think I have something here......
The car spent a few days with one side of the car jacked up on stands. The oil in the sump has obviously leaked into somewhere it shouldn't be....and maybe a little has leaked onto the exhaust manifold causing the engine bay smoke. I don't think having a car parked on a large lean for a few days would be healthy....
The car spent a few days with one side of the car jacked up on stands. The oil in the sump has obviously leaked into somewhere it shouldn't be....and maybe a little has leaked onto the exhaust manifold causing the engine bay smoke. I don't think having a car parked on a large lean for a few days would be healthy....
12-06-2004, 11:20 PM
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good hypothesis 
but so far they said i have a messed up catylitcal converter..but other than that i like ur idea, because when i checked the oil after i got the car back..i didn't have much left..and i had just added 1quart of oil 200miles before
but so far they said i have a messed up catylitcal converter..but other than that i like ur idea, because when i checked the oil after i got the car back..i didn't have much left..and i had just added 1quart of oil 200miles before
12-07-2004, 10:21 AM
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I'm not an expert on any of this, but here's some ideas.
I don't think the tilted car theory is too valid by itself, because the tilt angle wouldn't be all that great. I lean toward racing the cold engine theory, though if it was done while it was tilted, that may aggravate the situation.
As i understand the ECU, whenever there's a malfunction, even one you may not detect, the ecu takes a "snapshot" of the car. It records throttle position, gas pedal pos., steering wheel angle, engine temp, probably oil temp, oil and fuel pressure, mileage and maybe even front and rear wheel speeds if you've got DSC (maybe even if you don't have DSC). It may even record the date and position if you've got the NAV system. There are dozens of parameters it records, according to the local Mazda mech I was talking to a while ago.
Talk to the Mazda service or station manager and explain to him that you think a tire monkey may've messed with your car and you'd like the "snapshot" explained to you in detail to determine if it was damaged in the tire shop. Explain to him everything you've explained here about the dead btty, etc.
If the snapshot includes mileage your Discount Tire rcpt should have the initial mileage when you dropped it off to them. That could pin it on them. If the snapshot indicates that the engine was racing while cold, and especially while the front wheels were not spinning while one wheel was off (the TPMS should've activated the warning if the wheel was off), then you've got more evidence to support the miscreant monkey theory.
Even if Mazda is willing to cover this damage, I'd still try to get the info if it supports maliscious damage on the part of Discount Tire. The tire store should have security cameras so the owner or manager can review them to find out who was messing with your car, though he may not want to sit down and watch 4 days of security footage.
I don't think the tilted car theory is too valid by itself, because the tilt angle wouldn't be all that great. I lean toward racing the cold engine theory, though if it was done while it was tilted, that may aggravate the situation.
As i understand the ECU, whenever there's a malfunction, even one you may not detect, the ecu takes a "snapshot" of the car. It records throttle position, gas pedal pos., steering wheel angle, engine temp, probably oil temp, oil and fuel pressure, mileage and maybe even front and rear wheel speeds if you've got DSC (maybe even if you don't have DSC). It may even record the date and position if you've got the NAV system. There are dozens of parameters it records, according to the local Mazda mech I was talking to a while ago.
Talk to the Mazda service or station manager and explain to him that you think a tire monkey may've messed with your car and you'd like the "snapshot" explained to you in detail to determine if it was damaged in the tire shop. Explain to him everything you've explained here about the dead btty, etc.
If the snapshot includes mileage your Discount Tire rcpt should have the initial mileage when you dropped it off to them. That could pin it on them. If the snapshot indicates that the engine was racing while cold, and especially while the front wheels were not spinning while one wheel was off (the TPMS should've activated the warning if the wheel was off), then you've got more evidence to support the miscreant monkey theory.
Even if Mazda is willing to cover this damage, I'd still try to get the info if it supports maliscious damage on the part of Discount Tire. The tire store should have security cameras so the owner or manager can review them to find out who was messing with your car, though he may not want to sit down and watch 4 days of security footage.
12-07-2004, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hoffa
so i parked.. and smoke was flying out of the engine bay. i turned off my car and i opened the hood, smoke was coming from the dipstick area. i turned it off.. i called a toe truck to pick it up and they took it to a dealer, when the took it off the toe-truck.. they reved it to move it, and smoke was coming out of the exhaust.. what could be wrong?!?!?! im freakin out, they told me today that they had 7codes showing, and the catylitical converter was broken cuz of damage that i put...
12-07-2004, 12:05 PM
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yea... i was about to say the same thing....
have them check your ECU. I'm fairly new to the RX8... but I built and tunned DSMs for a long while (turbo eclipse). Anyway when I was installing a sAFC on my car once I accidentally touched two bad wires on the ECU together and that caused it to go out. As a result, I got smoke, bad rev at idle...etc etc. About 2 sensors later and a new ECU, the car was back to normal.
Maybe something with your system wiring caused your ecu to go bad. Or on the note of the tire shop guys messing with your car, maybe they messed with the system trying to get some music going while they worked...
All I know is that no matter where you take your car... it always has to come out working the way it went in. If not, then something bad was done to it. (unless obviously you took it in because it was bad already and it doesnt get fixed).
G'luck with everything...
have them check your ECU. I'm fairly new to the RX8... but I built and tunned DSMs for a long while (turbo eclipse). Anyway when I was installing a sAFC on my car once I accidentally touched two bad wires on the ECU together and that caused it to go out. As a result, I got smoke, bad rev at idle...etc etc. About 2 sensors later and a new ECU, the car was back to normal.
Maybe something with your system wiring caused your ecu to go bad. Or on the note of the tire shop guys messing with your car, maybe they messed with the system trying to get some music going while they worked...
All I know is that no matter where you take your car... it always has to come out working the way it went in. If not, then something bad was done to it. (unless obviously you took it in because it was bad already and it doesnt get fixed).
G'luck with everything...
12-08-2004, 08:28 PM
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I don't mean to repeat this if it has been said but I read through this thread and couldn't find what I am about to say.....
When you replace a battery or disconnect the power you have to recalibrate the car, this involves turning on accessories and turning the wheel from one lock to another and then back. Read the manual for exact details, however I had an alarm fitted and got the car back with all lights flashing, did the recal and all was OK. I put the lights down to this and also the smoke being from the car being on the angle, the sumps are very shallow and if the angle was enough it may have caused the oil to sit in the base of the housing. When you started the car you may have got a large amount of oil left in the lining of housing, hencing fouling everything and causing lots of smoke as it burnt off.
This is only my idea, but I know I had the same issue with lights when I had the battery disconnected.
When you replace a battery or disconnect the power you have to recalibrate the car, this involves turning on accessories and turning the wheel from one lock to another and then back. Read the manual for exact details, however I had an alarm fitted and got the car back with all lights flashing, did the recal and all was OK. I put the lights down to this and also the smoke being from the car being on the angle, the sumps are very shallow and if the angle was enough it may have caused the oil to sit in the base of the housing. When you started the car you may have got a large amount of oil left in the lining of housing, hencing fouling everything and causing lots of smoke as it burnt off.
This is only my idea, but I know I had the same issue with lights when I had the battery disconnected.
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