RX7 Specialties (rotaryengine.com) CNC exhaust porting
06-13-2018, 12:02 PM
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RX7 Specialties (rotaryengine.com) CNC exhaust porting
Looks much more precise than the die grinder porting I've seen.
Does this kind of porting actually advance exhaust timing though? It looks like the enlarged exhaust port (at the wide end) doesn't actually go all the way through, and "slopes" to avoid the water jacket so that the opening itself is not actually any larger (though perhaps flow is increased).
Does this kind of porting actually advance exhaust timing though? It looks like the enlarged exhaust port (at the wide end) doesn't actually go all the way through, and "slopes" to avoid the water jacket so that the opening itself is not actually any larger (though perhaps flow is increased).
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06-13-2018, 01:01 PM
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Doesn't address the issue with the port-runner transition. May even make it worse.
Also, his explanation of the carbon nugget from the exhaust port shelf doesn't seem likely to me. If exhaust gasses are flowing out through the exhaust port, how does the carbon fall back into the chamber against the gas flow.
Also, his explanation of the carbon nugget from the exhaust port shelf doesn't seem likely to me. If exhaust gasses are flowing out through the exhaust port, how does the carbon fall back into the chamber against the gas flow.
06-15-2018, 03:17 PM
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Yeah we'll have to see if they ever post dyno results.
The rotary community is simply awful at information sharing. I'm super curious how Rotary Innovations closed off its side exhaust ports on their funky dual-intake allegedly 271 flywheel hp semi-PP Renesis.
The rotary community is simply awful at information sharing. I'm super curious how Rotary Innovations closed off its side exhaust ports on their funky dual-intake allegedly 271 flywheel hp semi-PP Renesis.
06-25-2018, 04:39 PM
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Looks like quality work on the machining, but without the bare minimum of dyno results before and after porting (same irons, same hard seals), it is hard to consider it anything other than BS.
06-25-2018, 08:15 PM
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I have watched a bunch of their videos. All of their work appears to be top notch. if I ever get a hankering for more porting, I would definitively let them do the rough ins on some brand new sideplates
05-18-2019, 11:39 AM
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Just wanted to comment i live in calagry and have his exhaust and intake porting, initially ran on a n/a and felt no diffence on the butt dyno maf readings within 5 gpm before and after, will be turbo soon hopfully will help a little
05-18-2019, 05:03 PM
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Not or to threadjack but I’m also looking forward to seeing the 8374 and what it does. I picked up a 7670 and getting a rebuild by goopy so I’ll be jumping in headfirst soon as well
05-18-2019, 10:50 PM
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All you’ll see is a few hp and at the expense of side seal life/effectiveness ...
just to clarify, the overall issue is that there isn’t enough material thickness in the area around the exhaust port where it’s needed to result in anything useful. There is negative exhaust-intake port timing overlap that you can’t do anything about. This is what makes the Renesis unique among most combustion engines and tuning the exhaust mostly wasted work.
All you can do from an NA perspective is to make the exhaust as free flowing/restriction free as possible. For FI doing much more than clearancing the port opening to account for high temperature expansion on the entrance corners is going eventually result in excessive blowby imo due to side seal degradation.
The heat factor of FI alone is abusing them badly. Which they already have long term issues for NA. Taking support material away only exacerbates the situation. You instead need to focus more on proper design and execution of the overall package rather than trying to squeeze a fabled golden egg out the ugly Renesis duckling. See Slash128s build.
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just to clarify, the overall issue is that there isn’t enough material thickness in the area around the exhaust port where it’s needed to result in anything useful. There is negative exhaust-intake port timing overlap that you can’t do anything about. This is what makes the Renesis unique among most combustion engines and tuning the exhaust mostly wasted work.
All you can do from an NA perspective is to make the exhaust as free flowing/restriction free as possible. For FI doing much more than clearancing the port opening to account for high temperature expansion on the entrance corners is going eventually result in excessive blowby imo due to side seal degradation.
The heat factor of FI alone is abusing them badly. Which they already have long term issues for NA. Taking support material away only exacerbates the situation. You instead need to focus more on proper design and execution of the overall package rather than trying to squeeze a fabled golden egg out the ugly Renesis duckling. See Slash128s build.
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05-19-2019, 01:49 PM
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Looks much more precise than the die grinder porting I've seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbYkV024bJo
Does this kind of porting actually advance exhaust timing though? It looks like the enlarged exhaust port (at the wide end) doesn't actually go all the way through, and "slopes" to avoid the water jacket so that the opening itself is not actually any larger (though perhaps flow is increased).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbYkV024bJo
Does this kind of porting actually advance exhaust timing though? It looks like the enlarged exhaust port (at the wide end) doesn't actually go all the way through, and "slopes" to avoid the water jacket so that the opening itself is not actually any larger (though perhaps flow is increased).
As Team suggests... everything must be considered "systemically". So, I agree 100% one has to focus on "proper design and execution of overall package", which I believe can incorporate thoughtful porting. No?
Currently resolving radiator / coolant temp issues in our 90F May weather... Once temps are managed... I should be able to get good data on my currently ported vs. previously non-ported turbo system.
Edit: rebuilt engine with porting generates nearly identical HP/ Trq @ 9 psi as the previous non-ported engine @ 10+ psi.
- See build thread, post #380
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-maj...268497/page16/
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05-19-2019, 02:12 PM
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All you’ll see is a few hp and at the expense of side seal life/effectiveness ...
just to clarify, the overall issue is that there isn’t enough material thickness in the area around the exhaust port where it’s needed to result in anything useful. There is negative exhaust-intake port timing overlap that you can’t do anything about. This is what makes the Renesis unique among most combustion engines and tuning the exhaust mostly wasted work.
All you can do from an NA perspective is to make the exhaust as free flowing/restriction free as possible. For FI doing much more than clearancing the port opening to account for high temperature expansion on the entrance corners is going eventually result in excessive blowby imo due to side seal degradation.
The heat factor of FI alone is abusing them badly. Which they already have long term issues for NA. Taking support material away only exacerbates the situation. You instead need to focus more on proper design and execution of the overall package rather than trying to squeeze a fabled golden egg out the ugly Renesis duckling.
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just to clarify, the overall issue is that there isn’t enough material thickness in the area around the exhaust port where it’s needed to result in anything useful. There is negative exhaust-intake port timing overlap that you can’t do anything about. This is what makes the Renesis unique among most combustion engines and tuning the exhaust mostly wasted work.
All you can do from an NA perspective is to make the exhaust as free flowing/restriction free as possible. For FI doing much more than clearancing the port opening to account for high temperature expansion on the entrance corners is going eventually result in excessive blowby imo due to side seal degradation.
The heat factor of FI alone is abusing them badly. Which they already have long term issues for NA. Taking support material away only exacerbates the situation. You instead need to focus more on proper design and execution of the overall package rather than trying to squeeze a fabled golden egg out the ugly Renesis duckling.
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05-19-2019, 02:22 PM
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Well, theory is well... theory, but won't argue with results of thoughtful experimentation... Team & Brettus. 
I thought it made sense to try exhaust porting since I had my engine apart. Time will tell...
but I'll expect my findings to be consistent w/ yours.
Btw...I did port my end irons slightly larger than the mid iron. We'll see...
I thought it made sense to try exhaust porting since I had my engine apart. Time will tell...
but I'll expect my findings to be consistent w/ yours. Btw...I did port my end irons slightly larger than the mid iron. We'll see...
06-18-2019, 09:20 PM
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well to open the thread again, I got their porting done, along with a street port on my 8, still within the break in period, but it definitely pops more so its flowing a bunch more air. I'm also running versatune, so ill be getting a dyno tune here shortly, so numbers will follow. As far as the craftsmanship, its top notch. everything is super clean and professionally done, and i got the rotating assembly balanced, i cant even feel this engine idle, if it weren't for the sound it would be hard to feel it running. 10K rpm here i come.
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06-20-2019, 02:55 PM
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Just wanted to comment i live in calagry and have his exhaust and intake porting, initially ran on a n/a and felt no diffence on the butt dyno maf readings within 5 gpm before and after, will be turbo soon hopfully will help a little
06-20-2019, 03:03 PM
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I'd love to check out your set-up sometime; I'm in Sherwood Park.... I've been turbo'd on a GReddy kit since 2010 and I am starting to do my homework as far as rebuild and upgrading for more boost is concerned (planning to get turbo upgraded by BNR to hold more boost all the way to redline). I've chatted with Adam at Rx7 Specialties a little bit on the phone and via email. As far as I'm concerned, this is the shop I'll be using when rebuild time comes along, definitely interested in having some mild exhaust porting done while he's at it. Also considering studding.
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07-03-2019, 01:09 PM
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so figured id add in,to my previous post. the port job feels significantly quicker, in fact i put buses on a 350z. The 350 driver also told me that there was also a 3 foot flame out the exhaust. so going from a 7 bar engine to a fresh rebuild I'm sure is a definite feel increase coupled with a lightweight flywheel and balanced rotating assembly allowing it to hit 10k rpms doesnt help any. i cant wait to see what it actually hits down to the ground, but so far im extremely happy and would give adam's porting two thumbs up. also with the huge exhaust port when the VDI opens, it SCREAMS. Significantly different rpm sounds along with idle sounds. Everything i was looking for without a bridgeport.
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