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OtherSyde 09-26-2019 06:21 PM

Update: I have fixed the power steering issue. I pulled the 60A fuse by the battery and sprayed its contacts with electronic contact cleaner, and did the same with the 2 harnesses lying on the radiator fan shroud (between the two fans). Seems I must have jostled one of them loose or slopped some coolant or oil on one of them during the install. I also managed to swap the inlet/outlet hoses on the intercooler (took some wrangling due to their lengths). Good to go now!

Just unmated my COBB AP from my ECU and returned to stock, and then used my laptop/Tactrix dongle/MazdaEdit to download my base-map for modification and tuning.

Soon... So soon! Man I can't wait to drive this bastard once it's tuned! I've never driven a car with more than ~180whp before! I have this sort of thing in life, like a policy, where I refuse to drive something that I don't or can't yet own. So it's like, as I acquire and build faster and faster cars, I experience the speed upgrades for the first time with each new vehicle. This is exciting.

MANIACman 10-16-2019 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by obliterx8 (Post 4849710)
A few incoherent thoughts:

First, looking good OtherSyde. I like to see other people taking their time and doing things right. And car parts in the kitchen? :ylsuper:

Is that Karropak stuff really going to work? It looks paper thin, not sure it's much of a gasket. I have no experience with it, maybe it does. Someone else provided this link for Viton sheet. I know Viton is a good high temp sealing material, so was thinking of going that route.

What intake is that? Looks similar in placement to the RX8Performance Greddy Turbo CAI. These go where the VFAD normally sits (above bumper crash bar). It seems like this would get much less airflow than an AEM/MS intake? I guess it's adequate there, even for FI? I was going to go AEM/MS for best airflow, but that does have the one negative of blocking/pulling more air away from the radiator.

Speaking of radiators, does anybody really need to upgrade theirs for this kit? I am getting the MazMart REmedy water pump and Tstat, will that be sufficient for street use? I was going to wait until everything else is in and then order radiators etc to fit what space is left. I also have the added challenge of having an AT, so would need a different trans cooler then too. Also, my Pettit coolers were damaged in shipping, so I need a replacement for them anyway and was thinking of getting one larger one instead of 2 in parallel. It's too hard to order this until I see what I can fit.

I might order a nicer tank for the Pettit cooling system. Would it hurt to have a pressurized tank? This system doesn't heat up much, right? Like 125F? Will the pump be OK? Maybe someone has a better pump to suggest?

I also seem to be missing the M6x30 studs, thanks for the info.

I am ordering gauges, just wanted some input. Am I missing anything?
-boost/vac
-AFR
-fuel pressure
-AIT
-oil pressure
-oil temp
-water temp
-water temp (S/C circuit)
-voltage
Probably overkill, but what the hell, do it right the first time.


Thanks guys.

I was just about to start ordering some myself. Obviously the not attached to anything oil dash one is a must to replace. The water temp meter itsself is bad because its supposed to not be linear at the most important point so its kind of another "why did you bother if your going to do it wrong?" I set up one of the ODBII bluetooth adapters and have been running Torque. It seems to have a Coolant gauge is accurate so at least the ECU knows how hot it gets. I would say on the MUST list is Oil Temp and Oil Pressure. Never thought Voltage was worth doing. I would put those two in and let the ODBII monitor and display the rest. Its a good use of an old Tabet or even a Phone without a plan. I enjoy Torque having a "best zero to 60MPH" readout and the ones on milage are eye opening. Yes, the car is more of a racecar then the familyMobile but if your coasting down the highway staying at one speed? Hell I was getting average 28 MPG. On the other hand it shows MPG at that exact moment and if you stomp on it you will see things like 1 MPG. There is a video somewhere that a guy tried to get 30 MPG on a tank of gas and did it so its really how you drive it.

And I have to add that if you really are getting 30 MPG on a tank of gas you should have your RX-8 taken away. ;-) Your missing the point of what makes it the most fun thing I've ever driven. Oh I know this was mentioned a long way back in the thread about 1/4 mile racing. This is (I think) another wrong reason to drive an RX-8. Driving in a straight line fast is missing the whole design goal of its amazing handling. But if you really want to drag race just check out this video
I was mega bummed out and saw this.... Geez I laughed so hard I fell off the couch.

jorx7 10-25-2019 09:50 PM

so got my upgraded pulleys, but my pulley is a bit bigger than the one on my charger, any one else experiance this????

jorx7 10-28-2019 08:17 AM

NVM the crank is bigger which makes the pulley 8psi

jorx7 12-30-2019 11:39 PM

want to buy 11 and 13 psi upgraded pulleys for ryans rotary pulley upgrade he doesnt have them and i want to run more boost!! if you have the pulleys and dont want to use them i will take them off your hands

olddragger 12-31-2019 09:46 AM

Great write up!
you may want to consider a water meth set up if you are going with the higher boost pully .... not for more hp....but for more protection against detonation.

keck03 01-02-2020 10:33 AM

Othersyde, I stumbled onto your youtube channel the other days. How do you like your mazdaedit tune? Have you seen the A/F logs under boost? Are you still on the stock injectors?

I am thinking about getting mine retuned. It has been on the rich side since I got it back after the reman swap. Its safe but I thinking I am leaving too much hp on the table. I am also sick of the stalling every time that the ECU has to relearn idle. Have you had that issue with the mazdaedit tune> I never had that problem back on the original EFI Dude tune

OtherSyde 02-23-2020 12:49 AM


Originally Posted by keck03 (Post 4907013)
Othersyde, I stumbled onto your youtube channel the other days. How do you like your mazdaedit tune? Have you seen the A/F logs under boost? Are you still on the stock injectors?

I am thinking about getting mine retuned. It has been on the rich side since I got it back after the reman swap. Its safe but I thinking I am leaving too much hp on the table. I am also sick of the stalling every time that the ECU has to relearn idle. Have you had that issue with the mazdaedit tune? I never had that problem back on the original EFI Dude tune

I am loving the MazdaEdit/Tactix combo, and Carl Ryan has done a great job tuning! And yeah, part of the remote tuning process is watching the logs to make sure AFR's don't go over 12 - took awhile, but finally got it all ironed out to where they stay in the 11 to 11.7 range at all RPM ranges. Mine does not stall when it re-learns idle for whatever reason; maybe because Carl tuned it to idle at a nice smooth 1,100 RPM instead of the weak chugging garbage ~850 stock idle; it also seems to re-learn the parameters very quickly, this may be a side-effect of a much more modern MazdaEdit tune over the decade-old Pettit EFI Dude tune or whatever. Also, the old EFI tune from Pettit likely doesn't take into account upgrades like BHR coils, catless midpipe, CAI, etc. so that helps even more. And yeah, still stock injectors and fuel pump since I'ms still at 8psi. Happy with this for now, plan to dyno soon!

Brettus 02-23-2020 01:30 AM


Originally Posted by keck03 (Post 4907013)
I am also sick of the stalling every time that the ECU has to relearn idle. Have you had that issue with the mazdaedit tune> I never had that problem back on the original EFI Dude tune

If you have high ltft at idle (after several drive cycles)...that could be why.Would require rescaling maf to fix . Alternatively , if your throttle body has carbon around the throttle plate , this can cause the ecu to initially struggle to maintain idle.

obliterx8 04-24-2020 10:58 AM

Looks great OtherSyde!

I know I've been MIA for a while. My Pettit castings and aluminum tanks were held hostage at a polisher for a year. I got them back but they look like crap and I'll have to replace the tanks. Anyway, starting to get back into the project so hopefully I'll join the boosted party soonish.

Red line envy 04-24-2020 11:15 AM

Short and simple question for the sc users.
is it worth it?

Madtaz 04-25-2020 02:16 AM


Originally Posted by OtherSyde (Post 4915647)
Wow, that Blitz setup is really something! I love to see different SC setups, but most have died off at this point (Blitz, Knight Sport, Hymee, and really even Pettit by now). Very neat and exotic, I love it! I wish someone in the US would simply scan this into some CNC machinery software and replicate the major pieces, it seems like a great little setup!

So I've had some belt issues lately, snapping my third belt today (the first one snapped back in December and a piece of the goddamn thing got wrapped around my eccentric shaft behind the main pulley and sliced open my front main seal causing oil to constantly squirt out of the front of the engine and coat everything with oil from the pulleys slinging it everywhere), so that was an expensive bitch and a half to get fixed - I got it repaired by by the resident Rotary Expert at Aero Automotive here in SoCal though, who I have to say did a great job at least). Finally figured out that it's because my tensioner pulley bracket was bent - likely from the previous owner having to torque down the tensioner to prevent belt slippage because they only had the stock Pettit pulley and not the wider 6-rib setup like I do now, which was causing the belt to constantly slide towards the forward edge of the pulley and rub against the pulley edge "wall", which was evidenced by the front-facing side of the belt always being frayed/mangled and stretched when they would fail. So, I got a long crowbar and wrapped it in cloth so as not to scratch anything, then leveraged it against the front/side of the compressor with the tip behind the back of the pulley-bracket, and managed to carefully bend it forward a few millimetres, and now the belt (I have multiple belts in my garage now because I ordered several on Amazon haha) is just about centered on the pulley and no longer forward or touching the edge of the pulley - you can see from the new contact patch/stripe on the pulley in the picture after a test drive. Sorry for the engine bay being so damned filthy right now - but fingers crossed, no more snapped belts! :eyetwitch

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In other developments, I've been wondering for awhile why they ran the coolant loop return hose directly over the super-hot engine block and right between the super-hot alternator and compressor. I saw a picture online of a Pettit setup with the hose routed in a longer loop around the back and side of the engine bay, avoiding all the super hot stuff in the center altogether - and incidentally I had a bunch of hose left over from my install, so I mimicked that setup hoping to take a few extra degrees of heat out of the coolant loop. Also, unrelated, I painted my brake booster reservoir black with a yellow cap to match my windshield wiper fluid reservoir just to have a sense of symmetry.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...558993e605.jpg

Snapping belts is usually a result of the charger leaning forward under boost. I suspect the bracket at the rear is worn or broken. It was never really up to the job so best to fabricate a new bracket to hold the rear of the charger down.

OtherSyde 04-26-2020 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Red line envy (Post 4916120)
Short and simple question for the sc users.
is it worth it?

For me, it was never even a choice - I didn't buy this car to leave it unmodified (it was already a salvage title when I bought it), and it felt slow. So it was either a turbo, a supercharger, or a different car.

But yeah, I love having upwards of ~300whp in a 1.5 ton RX8, it feels great and it's very fun especially once you get all the kinks ironed out of it.

Red line envy 04-26-2020 02:09 PM

I have been wanting more out of it. I'm taking it slow though. I'm currently in the market for a Cobb or somthing of the sort (open to recommendations). I have most upgrade besides some cooling upgrades which is proly next on the list of things. Working toward SC. I feel Turbo just adds to the already high heat in the engine bay.

jorx7 04-26-2020 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Red line envy (Post 4916120)
Short and simple question for the sc users.
is it worth it?

depends on what your looking for, if you want some fun then yes 100% if your looking for crazy insane 500 hp then no. you wont get that power out of this.

jorx7 04-26-2020 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Red line envy (Post 4916405)
I have been wanting more out of it. I'm taking it slow though. I'm currently in the market for a Cobb or somthing of the sort (open to recommendations). I have most upgrade besides some cooling upgrades which is proly next on the list of things. Working toward SC. I feel Turbo just adds to the already high heat in the engine bay.


what year is your car ???

keck03 04-26-2020 11:19 PM


Originally Posted by Madtaz (Post 4916261)
Snapping belts is usually a result of the charger leaning forward under boost. I suspect the bracket at the rear is worn or broken. It was never really up to the job so best to fabricate a new bracket to hold the rear of the charger down.

The first design of the tensioner bracket was bad. When you keep tightening the pulley to tighten the belt, it would pull the bracket towards the supercharger. I had snapped some belts and called Cam who told me about the redesign. It just moves the position of the bracket to help even out the pressure so the metal doesn’t bend. Also IIRC it’s also thicker metal. I got the redesigned bracket like 5-7 years ago

jcbrx8 04-26-2020 11:58 PM


Originally Posted by Red line envy (Post 4916405)
...I feel Turbo just adds to the already high heat in the engine bay.

I'll have to differ w/you there. I've a low mount turbo. Minimal additional heat in the engine bay, and 400+ HP, 280+ lbft. :dunno:
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https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...07c9528ece.jpg

TeamRX8 04-27-2020 02:11 AM

somebody just had to kick the fire ant hill ... here we go, lol

obliterx8 04-27-2020 06:35 AM

jcbrx8, what tanks are those on the passenger firewall? Brand and size/part #?

I've been looking for a different solution and that looks pretty nice.

jcbrx8 04-27-2020 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by obliterx8 (Post 4916463)
jcbrx8, what tanks are those on the passenger firewall? Brand and size/part #?

I've been looking for a different solution and that looks pretty nice.

Appreciate that...thanks!

1L Chrome Aluminum Radiator Coolant Overflow Bottle Recovery Tank Reservoir Set

Red line envy 04-27-2020 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by jorx7 (Post 4916416)
what year is your car ???

2004

OtherSyde 04-27-2020 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by jcbrx8 (Post 4916450)
I'll have to differ w/you there. I've a low mount turbo. Minimal additional heat in the engine bay, and 400+ HP, 280+ lbft. :dunno:
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https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...aa9d1b733.jpeg

On a stock block? Or a built/hardened or ported engine?

Also the issue with turbo wasn't really the extra heat in the engine bay, but the extra heat on the internal seals resulting from the hot turbo exhaust manifold and back-pressure, which tends to be worse on the Renesis because of our shitty EPA-compliant side-ports versus the REW's ports.

jcbrx8 04-27-2020 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by OtherSyde (Post 4916534)
On a stock block? Or a built/hardened or ported engine?

Also the issue with turbo wasn't really the extra heat in the engine bay, but the extra heat on the internal seals resulting from the hot turbo exhaust manifold and back-pressure, which tends to be worse on the Renesis because of our shitty EPA-compliant side-ports versus the REW's ports.

My engine is hardened, i.e. ported, doweled, and studded. :icon_tup: And I don't run those power levels all or even most of the time, but it's nice having on tap. :yesnod:

Yeah, I just wanted to address the stated misconception that running a turbo introduces excessive heat in the engine bay. Running a low-mount design does not. :nono:

Yes, there are pros & cons... w/ each FI platform..., e.g. potential side seal degradation d/t higher heat, which need to be mitigated. Everyone has to do his own research..., buy / build what you like, and like what you drive. :)

TeamRX8 04-27-2020 08:32 PM

well it was enough heat that you cut two holes in the hood :squint:


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