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Brettus 10-10-2016 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 4785976)
If you need help making a smoke machine out of a cheap fog machine let me know. It works awesome and has made life a lot easier over the years. Also, what base map are you running and has your MAF been scaled?

If you could post up a thread for that it would be awesome . So many guys have problems doing a leak test .

9krpmrx8 10-10-2016 04:42 PM

I shall do it, it's super easy.

Jazzmeson 10-10-2016 05:45 PM

Cleaning the MAF didn't do any good, so that's out of the question. Moment of truth is tomorrow once I hook the machine up... Other than that, like Brett just told me earlier, I may be chasing my tail here. :Wconfused

9krpmrx8 10-10-2016 08:28 PM

Yeah man, I bet it's not a leak. I went thru several intake setups and each one required me to scale the MAF for each one. The MAF scaling being off can cause all kinds of wired issues.

Jedi54 10-11-2016 11:05 AM

Jaemeson; stop breaking shit! :fruit:

Brettus 10-11-2016 01:55 PM

I used to think Jaemeson and Jazzmeson were two different people . So confusing .

Jazzmeson 10-11-2016 02:59 PM

Didn't find anything from the smoke test. Looks like we're good to go from here after we scale the MAF.

Jazzmeson 10-25-2016 01:33 PM

Tuning is delayed yet again. I attempted a 3rd gear WOT with stable AFRs, but experienced a bad boost spike from just under 6 PSI creeping past 8 to who knows where... I'm using a 7 PSI wastegate actuator, so I'll have to check and see if it's having trouble opening. This occurred past around 6300 RPM approaching towards 7K RPM. The car definitely wasn't happy and it seemed like I hit fuel cut and tons of smoke came out the rear. Not to mention a loud crackle when it occurred, most likely detonation. Motor is fine though, drove it casually with vacuum sitting at 850-900 RPM/16.2-16.8 Hg at 1,500 ft altitude.

9krpmrx8 10-25-2016 01:49 PM

Any logs from this? Any flashing CEL or codes? Vacuum testing the actuator is easy, it may need adjusting.

Jazzmeson 10-25-2016 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 4788172)
Any logs from this? Any flashing CEL or codes? Vacuum testing the actuator is easy, it may need adjusting.

No flashing CEL when it occurred. All codes are just typical catalyst and air pump codes which were all removed. Me and gregs tested the actuator before install and was moving freely, but we'll have to do a double take and see if it's having trouble opening as it sits.

9krpmrx8 10-25-2016 02:33 PM

My bet is that you just need to mess with the boost controller some more. Mine took forever to get dialed in and I am always improving on it's setup. Also, check the boost cut feature. On mine (HKS EVC-S) I had to mess with the percentage that it cuts boost when it hits the set limit. If the percentage was too high it would cut boost too much and abruptly.

9krpmrx8 10-25-2016 02:44 PM

If you can fit one on your setup I would look into a Turbosmart internal wastegate actuator, they are nice. Your wastegate might just be being pushed open from exhaust pressure.

Jazzmeson 10-25-2016 09:39 PM

We're actually relying on the wastegate spring for the meantime since the controller hasn't been plumbed yet; it's set at 5 PSI. We ruled out the actuator and the wastegate itself, they have no trouble opening after testing again earlier. I gave it another WOT in 3rd with the WG tied open this time and it's still overboosting approaching past about 6 PSI once it hits close to 6000 RPM. Backed out right away since it creeps up so quickly...

JimmyBlack 10-25-2016 10:22 PM

My setup is/has been very similar to yours, and mine behaves as follows: With my WGA spring measured at 9psi, I was seeing no more than 7psi of boost (exhaust back pressure blows the WG open). With the WG unlatched and swinging freely, I saw no more than 4psi, and this was a very predictable linear increase in pressure, only seeing 4psi near redline.

It sounds like the exhaust flow through the turbine housing and out of the wastegate is severely restricted. Have you got any pics of the hot-side outlet of the turbo showing the wastegate flap and how far it can open?

Also, I mentioned previously about the inlet to the turbine housing from the exhaust manifold. It possible (though probably not that likely) that this area is causing excessive backpressure, which may be contributing to your issues. Do you have any pictures showing how rough/smooth that area is?

Jazzmeson 10-25-2016 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by JimmyBlack (Post 4788248)
My setup is/has been very similar to yours, and mine behaves as follows: With my WGA spring measured at 9psi, I was seeing no more than 7psi of boost (exhaust back pressure blows the WG open). With the WG unlatched and swinging freely, I saw no more than 4psi, and this was a very predictable linear increase in pressure, only seeing 4psi near redline.

It sounds like the exhaust flow through the turbine housing and out of the wastegate is severely restricted. Have you got any pics of the hot-side outlet of the turbo showing the wastegate flap and how far it can open?

Also, I mentioned previously about the inlet to the turbine housing from the exhaust manifold. It possible (though probably not that likely) that this area is causing excessive backpressure, which may be contributing to your issues. Do you have any pictures showing how rough/smooth that area is?

Unfortunately, these are the only photos I have prior to installation. Turbo was rebuilt by ATP according to previous owner before I bought it.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...0b56a6b63c.jpg

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...0ce3458607.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...df7c76bb9b.jpg

9krpmrx8 10-25-2016 11:30 PM

Looks okay, but I spy a crack that may be an issue eventually. Hook that boost controller up man.

Jazzmeson 10-25-2016 11:51 PM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 4788251)
Looks okay, but I spy a crack that may be an issue eventually. Hook that boost controller up man.

Yup, hence the photos prior to buying the kit. I'll get to work soon and finish it all up though.

Jazzmeson 10-26-2016 03:29 PM

Looks like the turbo has to come off. We're still having problems controlling boost pressure. Hitting 9 PSI by 5700 RPM with the wastegate left open! Who knows how high it crept up past that when I was hitting close to 7K... Once it's taken apart, I'm going to enlargen the port significantly and look for any other possible restrictions. Unfortunately, this is a problem beyond what a boost controller can fix...

9krpmrx8 10-26-2016 03:40 PM

Boost creep is almost always a wastegate issue. Sucks you have to take it off. Welcome to the world of boosted RX-8's :)

Jazzmeson 10-26-2016 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 4788441)
Boost creep is almost always a wastegate issue. Sucks you have to take it off. Welcome to the world of boosted RX-8's :)

Yeah, it's too bad that wasn't the case this time. :(

Jazzmeson 10-26-2016 03:52 PM

Other notable mods I currently have, but may not really a play role aside from the exhaust is a TurboXS cat-back and cat-less race pipe, 4.77 final drive, and 8 lb Racing Beat flywheel.

9krpmrx8 10-26-2016 04:02 PM

I wonder if the turbo rebuild was botched.

Jazzmeson 10-26-2016 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 4788446)
I wonder if the turbo rebuild was botched.

Good question... ATP is very reputable here, but at this point I really have no idea anymore.

9krpmrx8 10-26-2016 04:14 PM

I developed the SARX Greddy wastegate actuator with ATP, they were excellent to deal with in sending a spare Greddy to them and going back and forth with changes to the design, etc. I'd be surprised if they screwed up the rebuild.

Brettus 10-26-2016 04:19 PM

It's pretty unusual . Never heard of this on this turbo before. Only thing I can think of is that Jaemeson's exhaust has much less backpressure than others with this setup.


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