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JimmyBlack 11-22-2016 09:12 PM

Was the Siamese sleeve stock or modified?


Motivation for the rebuild...
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...4516c0e81b.jpg

slash128 11-22-2016 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4792972)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...6764b800c0.png


the bridge was fine actually..No next engine wont have one


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4793084)
Housings look like they are in the early stages of being raped ......:eek:

I missed the pic earlier but this housing doesn't appear to be of *rape* quality, but maybe the word has different meaning on opposite sides of the globe? :dunno: :)

enjauto 11-22-2016 10:59 PM

E&J does not make seals
 

Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4792932)
Bad news ..............

Coming home after doing some in gear logs the other day I accelerated out of a corner and straight away heard this horrible rattling noise (not detonation).

Engine was toast so I pulled it out only to find turbo was gone as well .

Just had the engine dismantled last night and found part of the siamese sleeve had been ingested by the engine and spat out into the turbo .

Pretty gutted about it all I have to say .

Was able to see how the E&J solid corner seals were going after only about 2000kms . Not good I'm afraid . They were already starting to dig into the exhaust port land and making a wear mark all around the iron.
The apex seal wear doesn't look great either . This engine wasn't going to last very long even if the siamese hadn't fallen to bits.
Suspect the E50 played a hand in both seal issues but I know with the RX8 corner seals and ALS apexs I definitely didn't see wear like this.

my name is Edgar Perez, owner of E&J. i am here to assure every one that we do not make corner seals for the renesis engines. we only make corner seals for the 13b and 20 b 2mm engines. it is a shame that someone would post such thing not know what they have. we stand behind our product and any one can feel free in contacting us and we can assist you with any questions or assistance.
we do feel for the issue in hand and we work hard to make sure our customers dont experience this types of situation.
if you still feel that you were scamed or sold fake E&J renesis corner seals please contact us so we can help you find the person that is using our brand to steal from innocent customers.


thank you
Edgar Perez
President
E&J Autoworks

yomomspimp06 11-23-2016 12:38 AM


Originally Posted by enjauto (Post 4793121)
my name is Edgar Perez, owner of E&J. i am here to assure every one that we do not make corner seals for the renesis engines. we only make corner seals for the 13b and 20 b 2mm engines. it is a shame that someone would post such thing not know what they have. we stand behind our product and any one can feel free in contacting us and we can assist you with any questions or assistance.
we do feel for the issue in hand and we work hard to make sure our customers dont experience this types of situation.
if you still feel that you were scamed or sold fake E&J renesis corner seals please contact us so we can help you find the person that is using our brand to steal from innocent customers.


thank you
Edgar Perez
President
E&J Autoworks

He's running the 13b seals because his rotors were cut for the taller 13b apex seal...

While you're here... I contacted you via email about corner seals months ago. You said they would be ready in 15 days give or take 5 days. It's been months... I've emailed with no reply. No biggie...I ordered diff corner seals. Customer Service is meh...
Now I just have to get Rotors Magazine to refund me my money that they said would have been refunded at the beginning of the month. The whole ordeal has been a headache. (that last part was not your fault)
/rant

Brettus 11-23-2016 03:35 AM


Originally Posted by slash128 (Post 4793116)
I missed the pic earlier but this housing doesn't appear to be of *rape* quality, but maybe the word has different meaning on opposite sides of the globe? :dunno: :)

That's the 'before ' pic just to show the bridge design

Brettus 11-23-2016 03:47 AM


Originally Posted by enjauto (Post 4793121)
my name is Edgar Perez, owner of E&J. i am here to assure every one that we do not make corner seals for the renesis engines. we only make corner seals for the 13b and 20 b 2mm engines. it is a shame that someone would post such thing not know what they have. we stand behind our product and any one can feel free in contacting us and we can assist you with any questions or assistance.
we do feel for the issue in hand and we work hard to make sure our customers dont experience this types of situation.
if you still feel that you were scamed or sold fake E&J renesis corner seals please contact us so we can help you find the person that is using our brand to steal from innocent customers.


thank you
Edgar Perez
President
E&J Autoworks

You think these aren't E&J ?
My rotors were cut for full depth rx7 13b apex seals ...............

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...ed7bb81fc5.jpg

slash128 11-23-2016 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4793135)
That's the 'before ' pic just to show the bridge design

Gotcha...

enjauto 11-23-2016 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4792932)
Bad news ..............

Coming home after doing some in gear logs the other day I accelerated out of a corner and straight away heard this horrible rattling noise (not detonation).

Engine was toast so I pulled it out only to find turbo was gone as well .

Just had the engine dismantled last night and found part of the siamese sleeve had been ingested by the engine and spat out into the turbo .

Pretty gutted about it all I have to say .

Was able to see how the E&J solid corner seals were going after only about 2000kms . Not good I'm afraid . They were already starting to dig into the exhaust port land and making a wear mark all around the iron.
The apex seal wear doesn't look great either . This engine wasn't going to last very long even if the siamese hadn't fallen to bits.
Suspect the E50 played a hand in both seal issues but I know with the RX8 corner seals and ALS apexs I definitely didn't see wear like this.


Originally Posted by yomomspimp06 (Post 4793125)
He's running the 13b seals because his rotors were cut for the taller 13b apex seal...

While you're here... I contacted you via email about corner seals months ago. You said they would be ready in 15 days give or take 5 days. It's been months... I've emailed with no reply. No biggie...I ordered diff corner seals. Customer Service is meh...
Now I just have to get Rotors Magazine to refund me my money that they said would have been refunded at the beginning of the month. The whole ordeal has been a headache. (that last part was not your fault)
/rant

about your corners, sorry about that but we never got paid. i remeber talking with you and when the corners were ready we let matt know. unfortunately he was the person in charge of the payment and ordering. we havent seen any email lately but if i missed one we do appologize. i do feel bad for your inconvenience and i can make that up, shoot me an email and i will do what i cant for you.

about the rx8, is this the first time it ran with the 13b corners?
if so we need to look at the tolerance they gave the rotors. if they gave the apex seal slot too much spring preasure it will wear the apex seals excessively. is it possible for us to see the corners and apex seals.
if i understood the post correctly, he used oem and our seals first and had no issues then he changed and the issue appeared.

also in the post it says that the turbo sucked some thing into the engine, could that been the cause of some of the damages?

thank you

enjauto 11-23-2016 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4793136)
You think these aren't E&J ?
My rotors were cut for full depth rx7 13b apex seals ...............

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...ed7bb81fc5.jpg

nope those are our seals. i belive that there is another issue for the damages or early wear. if you send us the rotor we can measure the depth and width also most important to make sure the slot is straight.
here at E&J we dont hide from a problem. our goal is to find solutions. the funny part is that every one is ready to post things and dont even know why this happened or even tried to give us a call to inform us on the issue, but yet here i am offering to assist.
we been running our seals for a few years now and have customers around the world with great results. we have had a few customers have with issues but the issues have always been some thing else. we would like to help you find out what cause the problem.
causes.
1. some thing went threw the turbo. that can cause issues
2. wear issues. low oil mix, low fuel mix, incorrect tolerances.
3. mechanical faliures

our email is enjauto@bellsouth.net
feel free.

reddozen 11-23-2016 10:39 AM

Your bridge looks like mine Brettus. I'm not boosted though.

Brettus 11-23-2016 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by reddozen (Post 4793208)
Your bridge looks like mine Brettus. I'm not boosted though.

I fitted a stopper on my SSV valve to hold it partially open to get rid of that annoying rattle ............

slash128 11-23-2016 12:36 PM

The proctologist is in. Interesting enough it states "This appliance is not intended for medical use or personal inspection." :lol:

Not sure when I'll get around to inserting it, hopefully sometime this weekend after turkey day...


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...2ca4a77711.jpg

Brettus 11-23-2016 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by slash128 (Post 4793235)

Not sure when I'll get around to inserting it,

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Oh man !

slash128 11-23-2016 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4793264)
Oh man !

It also came with an assortment of tips... infer what you will....


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...2f38cd94df.jpg

9krpmrx8 11-23-2016 03:04 PM

I almost commented before Brett, but thought "nah, I will try and be mature today" :lol: We are so predictable.

slash128 11-23-2016 03:15 PM

Ha!

Brettus 11-23-2016 03:26 PM

Rapage for Slash:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...c0978b4f9c.jpg


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...ec200a54bb.jpg

slash128 11-23-2016 03:52 PM

Wow. Curious, since the Siamese port was broken and sucked in are you certain the wear isn't from foreign debris? I just need to scope mine to see what it looks like...

Brettus 11-23-2016 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by slash128 (Post 4793277)
Wow. Curious, since the Siamese port was broken and sucked in are you certain the wear isn't from foreign debris? I just need to scope mine to see what it looks like...

only one side injested debris ... but both sides look like this

reddozen 11-23-2016 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4793221)
I fitted a stopper on my SSV valve to hold it partially open to get rid of that annoying rattle ............

Yea, it's pretty annoying. can't actually hear it in the car over the exhaust and radio. everything has to be pretty quiet.

slash128 11-23-2016 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4793279)
only one side injested debris ... but both sides look like this

Yikes... I will try to scope when I get home... Or maybe it's like Schrödinger’s Cat and it's both good and bad until I observe it, in which case I should leave it alone :lol:

Brettus 11-23-2016 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by slash128 (Post 4793282)
Yikes... I will try to scope when I get home... Or maybe it's like Schrödinger’s Cat and it's both good and bad until I observe it, in which case I should leave it alone :lol:

I'm inclined to think it's the E50 + softer seals combo that caused this . take either one of those two away and I think it would have been ok ..............maybe

slash128 11-23-2016 08:00 PM

This was more difficult than I anticipated lol... But as far as I can see I have a mirror finish. I can clearly see all the LEDs of the camera reflecting on the surfaces. There is one dark streak but I believe that to be oil. The mirror for the camera is poor quality and with it on it was too large diameter to fit in the plug hole, so I had to remove the holder and electrical tape it on. I was holding my breath hoping it wouldn't fall off in there!!!

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...e54a310aab.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...3d29812e8a.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...3c0d362329.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...af5305d150.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...d16892ceff.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...8e2cc9c435.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...2eea58eab2.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...49cad2cbd2.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...ef56a2d9d4.jpg

slash128 11-23-2016 08:02 PM

For reference here is the camera in a housing:


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...7046314a0b.jpg

Brettus 11-23-2016 08:16 PM

Pity the pics are so blurry . Good to hear yours is looking ok . My experience is consistent with what some people are experiencing with E85 over in the 7 forum.

http://www.rx7club.com/alternative-f...s-e85-1096476/


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