Yea except that it would be helpful to sell the units to tuners and let them worry about it. Mazsport I bet could get it to work pretty well and then sell it as a kit. It would be higher priced than the final product from Richard, but at least you could get SOME market traction and installations going. Why just sit on your thumbs and NOT make money when you could start selling the units NOW and make money while your waiting for COBB? Makes financial sense to me...but then again when I make products I usually try to sell them.

Personally i would much rather see a software/dongle package kit first and foremost. This will really keep the price down.

if they decided to develop a handheld unit later that is fine, as long as it doesnt delay the release of the initial software/dongle package for the rx8.

When it comes to a new product sometimes a first impression is all you get. I can't blame Richard for wanting to be 100% sure of the quality of his final released product.

New? RP's first post was 05-28-2004 @ 02:26 PM. On the 28th of this month, it will be it's three year anniversary.

The clock doen't start ticking untill the sale of the first unit. You can't exactly start counting the life sapan of a product from the start of it's R&D. If you could the RX-8 would be about 8 years old, not 4.

I'm pretty sure that the AFSC itself has bugs worked out. It's the EMU/Tuning that is said to be the hold up. We KNOW that other people out there have the experience to tackle that problem. And while I understand that he cant focus his time on this because he has other things to do which make him money...well that problem can be remedied...sell the units themselves to anyone who wants them with NO warranty...I am POSITIVE a tuner will pick one up...and sell it as a (albeit more expensive) kit. He sells units...keeps his focus on the other things...and makes money both ways until COBB releases and he can devote some time to this project to finally sell it as he intended as a kit for a lower price. You then have two options...the "standard" plug and play kit...or the "High-Power" (cause you know thats what will happen) kit from a third party tuner. Any way you slice it...he's is selling UNITS and turning a profit.

I miss anything?

Richard knows that there are many here, sitting on their hands, waiting for him to release. They aren't willing to accept anything else.

^ I know, I'm just frustrated that he does not post anymore here.

If he supplies someone else as a oem , they go aggressive and make more power (with their tune) than he does, then he sells less units for less money. He also looses controll of the unit. If engines blow, who gets the blame?

I'm just talking about making money. Plain and simple. He's got units...he can turn a profit. Hell I would probably want to only buy the SC itself so I can build my own setup anyway. Sucks I have to wait for a "kit" only to dismantle it to get what I wanted out of it.

Umm...he is the ONLY supplier of the units so if they sell more of thier kit, he's still turning a good profit and reducing liability on his part. The more THEY sell, the more HE sells.

How does he lose control of the unit? I do not understand that statement. It's his and he holds the patents/rights to prevent others from copy-cat's.

If a third party tuner sells the kit and the engine blows...you go back to the tuner. It's like purchasing a turbo kit from mazsport. If the kit blows your motor do you go back and bitch out turbonetics since it was THIER snail? No...you go to the vendor of the kit.

I just got my computer back from a week in the sick computer hospital. I havn't tried all the programs but everything is supposed to work. Maybe I can put in pictures now.
Anyway I will confirm that we are talking with Cobb Tuning. I don't have much more inside info then some of you have so I will not call out dates.
I will say that I think this is a great match for the AFSC.

At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work. Trey tells me he can tune the car right now but the suppling of production type hardware is waiting on some fine componant rework and vender interface parts. They are a proven commodity and I beleive them.

As you guys know I am out of water when it comes to computer work. I can tell you the reason why we will not release the SC before we have our own electronics. If we give it to someone who blows an engine or just has poor results it will damage the image even if it is not our fault.

It's would be bad enough if we did something wrong but at least we would be getting because we screwed up. This doesn't mean that we will not sell it bare after the kit is out. Then we could always defend ourselves by pointing to good installationss. I'm not saying someone can't do it better, maybe they can but we need to be conservitive.

As always thanks for the update! :)

smart like tuna.. thanks rp.

beers :beer:

You suck for making perfect sense...haa haa...

Good to know that your planning on selling it bare. Thanks for the update.

If tuna were so smart then why do they get caught in nets?!?!

Hopefully there will be a website or somethign with specific specs and pricing when this reaches its release date? For someone who has not forged through 325 pages up until now... the info on the kit is like a needle in a haystack.

ooo- can we go also?

j/k - good luck to both of you, and sorry for getting pissy about you not posting. PC's are at times just like women, can't live with them and you can't live without them.

:D:

Which is why I have at least three PC's availible to me at all times...ALL times...

LOL Does that go for women too?

yep they get caught in nets, but they dont say its done till it is in the can..

beers :beer:

I tried that a while ago but found that it creates too many system interuptions/conflicts when in close proximity to each other. I am also not Jeff (MM) so unfortunately it was only two at any given time. Finally it was waay too easy to catch a virus or randomly crash on you forcing you to perform maintinence all the freaking time. More trouble than what its worth my friend...haa

Thats what she said....<Symbol hit here>

Tip your waitress I'll be here all night..

and bartenders.. duh. we make the product. they just ship. :spank:


beers :beer:

Or in the eternal words of Bundy: "Can't live with 'em, can't herd 'em to Canada."

Maybe 4yearstoSupercharge knows something we dont!?

:cwm27:

Just keep in mind that no matter how bullet proof you make it, some dipwad will screw it up and will blow their engine.

Even if it is perfect, and installed correctly, someone will still blow their engine due to some unforeseen issue, either a mechanical defect or something else.

Greddy is known for popping rx engines, but you don;t really see a huge backlash agains them here, it's oh well blew my engine.. time for a rebuild and make more power..

The only thing rx8r's hate and constanly whine about is delayed products and vaporware.

The amount of customer support and service that comes with the axial flow shifter is simply amazing. If he throws half that effort into supporting the supercharger he will be light years ahead of some of the other forced induction companies.

:rolleyes: I'll never tell....

Dont ask dont tell? :ky:

Like a fine wine, some things just take time.

Right now, thee EMU is Int-X, but that adds a lot of cost. It can do a damn good job, but its plain expensive.

I'm waiting around for ECU flashes for the SC kits (which by the way should be easier to do than for a turbo kit because the math for MAF/Air/Fuel is easier) or the RX-8 AccessPort by Cobb. I'm not going to make my move until then, and I suspect so will a number of other people.

The AFSC with cheap EMU or ECU flashes, should be a good deal.

I could not agree more. The differance between 4500 and 6000 or 5500 and 7000 may not seem like a lot for some of the more wealthy members of this forum. But for a law school student and new grad, those numbers can be night and day. Additionally, anything that is more easily reversible back to stock is ALWAYS going to attract more buyers.

Or for a college student... You know how hard it is too hit a 0-60 time of less than 5 secs when your side job in waiting?

I've been debating between this type of FI or nitrous... Before then I'll have the AcessPort, because that surely seems like a good idea were all waiting for...

I hope this thing goes into creation though, I remember when I was 18 and reading up on these forums when I didn't even own an 8. I saw this thread and saw a good promising idea, but it's been three years! :/

For the poor college student type of person, the most logical choice to go faster on a small budget is nitrous. You just can't do forced induction cheaply unless you source all of the parts and do it yourself. If you want a kit you either will pay for one done properly or pay for a cheap one that isn't.

The axialflow.com website now has some picteres of the new facility.
We're testing a new compressor this afternoon and I swear it will be the final design if it passes tests.:banghead:
In the future someday I will run across all these test blowers and shoot myself for having done this. Of course at that time I will know all the answers and wonder why it took me so long.:Eyecrazy:


BTW I have a new Nilon D80 and my computer has been fixed. I just have to figure out how to shrink pictures so they fit the forum rules. Then we can place pictures all we want.:)

BTW, I have heard from Hymee and he is finally feeling better and wants to get back to work. We are all happy to hear this Hymee.

I need three more posts:lol2:

The new facility is awesome and your machine shop is very impressive. Best of luck with everything.

Paul.

^Woah - nice and clean looking for sure! Congrats

that place is really nice.

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it does resizing.

Cool stuff RP.

I like how you parked the yellow RX-8 out front in your facility picture just for us! You're the best RP :)

You can use Microsoft Power Toys Image Resizer. Download it, install it, then right click the image and select a size and place to store it.

Can't beat the price.

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Very nice shop:Eyecrazy:

good luck with the new design RP. :)

good luck RP,
I think I have saved enough $ for this SC and just in time for it s about to reach production.

what kind of shop is this!!!????--no dang girlie calenders, no shop rags, no greasy work bench, no open containers of gasoline with people smoking unfiltered camels close by, no chain hoist----no dang wonder you aint done yet!
olddragger

stripper pole, duh...

how do you make a living?????

and btw, looks good..


beers :beer:

That isn't a garage! THIS is a garage:

http://www.mazdamaniac.com/images/stills/clutter.jpg

I think Jimmy Hoffa might be buried in there...