Anyone running a Big turbo on alcohol ?
12-07-2010, 01:39 AM
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you can probably get 600 hp, but if it goes boom 10 seconds later then you haven't accomplished sh-t, not sure why everybody acts like something great occurred, all I ever saw was excuse after excuse, the proof was in the getting out and walking away ...
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12-07-2010, 01:12 PM
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fixed, there's a moral to the story in there somewhere ...
you can probably get 600 hp, but if it goes boom 10 seconds later then you haven't accomplished sh-t, not sure why everybody acts like something great occurred, all I ever saw was excuse after excuse, the proof was in the getting out and walking away ...
you can probably get 600 hp, but if it goes boom 10 seconds later then you haven't accomplished sh-t, not sure why everybody acts like something great occurred, all I ever saw was excuse after excuse, the proof was in the getting out and walking away ...
12-16-2010, 06:10 PM
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wasnt trying to be an E-thug. or even offensive. Was simply trying convey to you why you have been, and will be responded to the way you have seen. Its just the way it is.
Helpful information is availible by the truck load all over this forum. But seeing as how no one has come within at least 300hp of the goals mentioned above... ummmm, no one here is gonna be able to help you are they? If they could, it'd probably mean someone has been there and done that.
Helpful information is availible by the truck load all over this forum. But seeing as how no one has come within at least 300hp of the goals mentioned above... ummmm, no one here is gonna be able to help you are they? If they could, it'd probably mean someone has been there and done that.
12-16-2010, 07:54 PM
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Don't expect anyone on this board to help you in your quest. Most of them cannot get these cars past the 350 mark and will tell you to use an Access Port on your set up as it is the only way to go and only cost $600 for the unit and a tune. However non of them have ever seen a 900 HP rotary so they will be experts.
12-16-2010, 08:04 PM
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To the OP, just a suggestion but you might try a set of GSL-SE rotor housings and machine the rotors for 7 seals. I cannot say that I have tried it yet, but I believe it would be a killer setup w/ this little motor. It may not be that long before I try this set up myself. There is no doubt the flow from the intake is there and would solve the heat being trapped issues.
12-16-2010, 08:18 PM
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Mazdatrix has not even "pushed" that motor yet... To be honest, he might as well go through with it as there is always room for improvement even if it isn't the "norm".
Oh well...
Oh well...
12-16-2010, 10:52 PM
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To the OP, just a suggestion but you might try a set of GSL-SE rotor housings and machine the rotors for 7 seals. I cannot say that I have tried it yet, but I believe it would be a killer setup w/ this little motor. It may not be that long before I try this set up myself. There is no doubt the flow from the intake is there and would solve the heat being trapped issues.
12-16-2010, 11:50 PM
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no, I still think you can make 450+ reliably on the renesis, but w/ a different config than what most are using. I also think most of the exhaust manis are wrong and the turbos and exhaust housings on the turbos are too small increasing heat and back pressure. I am not sure why I would share this info w/ you anyways.
I have said since early 06 before all the turbo kit craze that the side ports will never flow as much as the PP exhaust, will be a restriction and cause heat. This is obvious and doesn't require rocket science.
When trying to make 800+ every option should be avail. and he is going to have to experiment to get there. GSL-SE housings are the cheapest 13B housings available and also have the coolant o-ring grooves in the rotor housing opposed to the 86-95 housings. When going that big you have to get it in and out as fast as possible.
Have you noticed he hasn't posted back after all the awesome response he got on here?
What is with some of you guys on here?? You keep beating the same subjects over and over. Are you that bored in life?? Sometimes I feel I am in Jr high on this forum.
Again appreciate all your insight.
I have said since early 06 before all the turbo kit craze that the side ports will never flow as much as the PP exhaust, will be a restriction and cause heat. This is obvious and doesn't require rocket science.
When trying to make 800+ every option should be avail. and he is going to have to experiment to get there. GSL-SE housings are the cheapest 13B housings available and also have the coolant o-ring grooves in the rotor housing opposed to the 86-95 housings. When going that big you have to get it in and out as fast as possible.
Have you noticed he hasn't posted back after all the awesome response he got on here?
What is with some of you guys on here?? You keep beating the same subjects over and over. Are you that bored in life?? Sometimes I feel I am in Jr high on this forum.
Again appreciate all your insight.
12-17-2010, 07:46 AM
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the key words are "you think"
when are you actually going to show more than you can type unsubstantiated ideas? I ask this as a forum member who has proposed unaccepted Renesis setup ideas and then shown results that back them up. Talking the talk without ever walking the walk is as junior high school as it gets ... show us teh money, honey ...
Trying to inspire someone else to prove your big hp theories is easy. It's no money out of your pocket when it goes boom. If I understand you correctly, you're proposing a large exhaust turbine A/R as a means of reducing high rpm backpressure. This is an understandable theory given a lack of understanding about just how restrictive the side port exhaust is at the high flow levels required to achieve that power level along with the actual mechanical physics that will occur at the side port entry lip and side port seals. High octane fuel will not overcome this reality. On top of that, you're bottom end will suck donkey d-ck. We obviously have a different philosophy on what the term "reliable" means or your theories are only that. Again, throw your 13B experience out the window. This ain't Kansas, Toto.
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when are you actually going to show more than you can type unsubstantiated ideas? I ask this as a forum member who has proposed unaccepted Renesis setup ideas and then shown results that back them up. Talking the talk without ever walking the walk is as junior high school as it gets ... show us teh money, honey ...
Granny Hawkins: They say you're a hard put and desperate man, Josey Wales. They're goin' to heel and hide you to a barn door. You know what I say?
Josey Wales: What's that?
Granny Hawkins: I say that big talk's worth doodly-squat.
Josey Wales: What's that?
Granny Hawkins: I say that big talk's worth doodly-squat.
Trying to inspire someone else to prove your big hp theories is easy. It's no money out of your pocket when it goes boom. If I understand you correctly, you're proposing a large exhaust turbine A/R as a means of reducing high rpm backpressure. This is an understandable theory given a lack of understanding about just how restrictive the side port exhaust is at the high flow levels required to achieve that power level along with the actual mechanical physics that will occur at the side port entry lip and side port seals. High octane fuel will not overcome this reality. On top of that, you're bottom end will suck donkey d-ck. We obviously have a different philosophy on what the term "reliable" means or your theories are only that. Again, throw your 13B experience out the window. This ain't Kansas, Toto.
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12-17-2010, 09:08 AM
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I have nothing to prove to you and could care less what you say. You obviously take great pride in being an internet know it all. +1 for you on that matter.
You have yet to contribute any useful information in any of these threads where you attempt to prove me wrong. How about helping someone w/ all this info you have instead of bashing everyone??????
You state that you want proof of everything I say. Well,I want to see all your proof. Post up your builds there, sweetie. Otherwise the pot is black.
I already stated that I know the issues about the side ports long ago in another post. Thanks for repeating yourself.
Am I going to build an rx8 right now? No, I sold mine this last year. Did I have a manifold fully built? Yes, for a 60-1 T4 w/ a .84 exhaust and it had fully divided runners. Does it make sense to build such a kit and market it? No, the market is so small and the cost is very high. Not many people are going to pay for 7K (on the low side) for a turbo kit, engine management and fuel system when the cars can be bought for 10K or less. Yes the cost would be that high to sell after I finished my product. The reason I never pursued it any farther. It's not that I hadn't figured it all out. It just didn't make financial sense.
I personally know of a 13B-msp producing 500 running around. Is that person on here? Nope. Will you believe it? Probably not. Do I care? No.
I am starting to wonder why I reply to you and don't just put you on ignore.
BTW I can use smiley icons too.
You have yet to contribute any useful information in any of these threads where you attempt to prove me wrong. How about helping someone w/ all this info you have instead of bashing everyone??????
You state that you want proof of everything I say. Well,I want to see all your proof. Post up your builds there, sweetie. Otherwise the pot is black.
I already stated that I know the issues about the side ports long ago in another post. Thanks for repeating yourself.
Am I going to build an rx8 right now? No, I sold mine this last year. Did I have a manifold fully built? Yes, for a 60-1 T4 w/ a .84 exhaust and it had fully divided runners. Does it make sense to build such a kit and market it? No, the market is so small and the cost is very high. Not many people are going to pay for 7K (on the low side) for a turbo kit, engine management and fuel system when the cars can be bought for 10K or less. Yes the cost would be that high to sell after I finished my product. The reason I never pursued it any farther. It's not that I hadn't figured it all out. It just didn't make financial sense.
I personally know of a 13B-msp producing 500 running around. Is that person on here? Nope. Will you believe it? Probably not. Do I care? No.
I am starting to wonder why I reply to you and don't just put you on ignore.
BTW I can use smiley icons too.
12-17-2010, 11:58 AM
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. We would all freak out if team's posts were like, "Hey buddy, welcome to the forums. I would be glad to share my extensive exhaust system knowledge to help you determine what exhaust would be ideal for your 2004 Base Auto. And if you ever need any help in choosing a twin turbo system for your RX-8 please feel free to PM at anytime"