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hfalex 12-17-2004 11:55 AM

370hp roaring @ Bologna Motorshow...
 
http://www.astraracing.com/portal/mo...how%202004.JPG

:) :) :)

wakeech 12-17-2004 01:16 PM

hey sweet.

got any more technical information on your go-fast goodies?
info on application to street performance?

Xyntax 12-17-2004 05:50 PM

I hope it's 370HP Supercharged Renesis and not something else :(

hfalex 12-17-2004 07:46 PM

It's a supercharged Renesis, don't worry...
;)

rotarygod 12-17-2004 08:56 PM

Is this the one using the roots style blower only or is this the compound turbo/supercharged setup?

It's pretty sweet!

skc 12-17-2004 10:10 PM

what a monster!!!

It would be interesting to find out more info on this

mysql101 12-17-2004 10:12 PM

If they'd add strakes, they could go to an even 400 hp.



ps: got any under the hood shots?

hfalex 12-18-2004 01:45 AM

We used a "roots type" supercharger called VOLUMEX. It has been created for the old grp.B FIA rally cars but modified by us. We fitted also an air/air intercooler, remapped the Ecu and changed the exhaust system. The engine is strictly derived from that used in the "RX8 Sport Cup".
It sounds like an UFO and flames from the rear exhaust even with usual european 98Ron fuel.
About a street application....who knows? ;)

Ajax 12-18-2004 02:35 AM


Originally Posted by hfalex
We used a "roots type" supercharger called VOLUMEX. It has been created for the old grp.B FIA rally cars but modified by us. We fitted also an air/air intercooler, remapped the Ecu and changed the exhaust system. The engine is strictly derived from that used in the "RX8 Sport Cup".
It sounds like an UFO and flames from the rear exhaust even with usual european 98Ron fuel.
About a street application....who knows? ;)

You remapped the ECU?
Can you go into more detail on how you did that?

hfalex 12-18-2004 09:47 AM

Yes.
First we have to disconnect the main chip (CPU) from the board, closa e "jumper", then we have to reprogram it. We modify the mapping LUT with a freeware sw that can be also downloaded from my website. The only problem has been the checksums, but a Milan based company fixed thi problem. Thats it.
About tha MAF sensor, i read a lot of people think it is the mai problem, but i don't understand why since we had no problem to manage absolute pressures up to 2 bar just only with a few little changes. ;)

TyrellCorpNexus8 12-18-2004 09:54 AM

Incredible. What do Richard Paul, Rotary God, and the other experts have to say about this?

hfalex 12-18-2004 10:01 AM

Will do a lot of new tests and Km on the European circuits since Feb. '05 with the MY'05....who would like to see, have a look or also test the cars has only to contact Astra. If you prefer you can come here at Astra to have a direct look...we'll be pleased.
:)

ranger4277 12-18-2004 11:58 AM

Will you fly me out to test and see them in person? :)

lafrad 12-18-2004 01:01 PM

is there any way you can work with some of the current groups that are trying for street apps, on re-mapping the ECU? Hymee comes to mind.....

Japan8 12-18-2004 01:20 PM

Hmm. I wonder if this is the "technique" that JDM tuners are using to do their re-mapping? The same goes for Racing Beat, or did they get something from Mazda for their effort?

bureau13 12-19-2004 01:09 AM

This sounds like the method used in the old FD remapped ECUs...there was a custom daughterboard needed to plug into a socket where the original microcontroller was, and the controller would in turn plug into the socket. This was necessary because the stock ECU used the on-board ROM of the microcontroller for some of the maps that needed to be changed. I'm a little surprised something like this will work on an ECU like the RX-8 though...its an order of magnitude more complicated than the FD.

jds


Originally Posted by hfalex
Yes.
First we have to disconnect the main chip (CPU) from the board, closa e "jumper", then we have to reprogram it. We modify the mapping LUT with a freeware sw that can be also downloaded from my website. The only problem has been the checksums, but a Milan based company fixed thi problem. Thats it.
About tha MAF sensor, i read a lot of people think it is the mai problem, but i don't understand why since we had no problem to manage absolute pressures up to 2 bar just only with a few little changes. ;)


Japan8 12-19-2004 01:32 AM

I don't see why... the CPU in your PC is pretty complex, but doing something similar can allow you to overclock it (although usually it requires advanced cooling measures). Or how about chipping your X-Box so you can override the ROM and run a custom OS... or how about chipping PS? Sounds like it's relatively simple and pretty common...

hfalex 12-19-2004 02:40 AM

Since the beginning oy the year we did this job only on 3 street cars.

The next one is this:
http://www.simoniracing.it/mkt/cars_girls/584.jpg

This is the show car used by the winner of the championship who is also the owner of the bigger tuning company in Italy.



http://www.simoniracing.it/mkt/cars_girls/535.jpg

This is his (our) race car:
http://www.astraracing.com/portal/im...eo/simonia.jpg


RX8 is not a so common car here in Europe and we have been so busy in developing the racing version we had no time to tune also more street cars (which is not also oyr main business).
But I think in 2005 we'll put our racing 8s experience in some more "street version" spare.
By the way all the "racing" spares are already there for sale, if you love to drive a street car with a 180/150k spring and without the rollcage which strengthen the chassis of the 174% (tested on the bench, torsinal forces EC95 stds).

We took about 1 week with an 8s engine on the dyno to get the best mapping at the beginning of the year, playing with the "opened" ecu and mappings.

Tomorrow we'll be still there on th dyno to play with the my'05 engine and new mappings to get some hp more.

We never run a street car engine as it is with the opened Ecu. All the street cars we did had the racing engine, intake and exhaust fitted.

Lschiavo 12-19-2004 05:38 AM

Giampiero?
 
Is the driver Giampiero Simoni?

Ci vediamo dopo, grazie per l' informazione.

L.Schiavo (from Salerno)



Originally Posted by hfalex
Since the beginning oy the year we did this job only on 3 street cars.

The next one is this:
http://www.simoniracing.it/mkt/cars_girls/584.jpg

This is the show car used by the winner of the championship who is also the owner of the bigger tuning company in Italy.



http://www.simoniracing.it/mkt/cars_girls/535.jpg

This is his (our) race car:
http://www.astraracing.com/portal/im...eo/simonia.jpg


RX8 is not a so common car here in Europe and we have been so busy in developing the racing version we had no time to tune also more street cars (which is not also oyr main business).
But I think in 2005 we'll put our racing 8s experience in some more "street version" spare.
By the way all the "racing" spares are already there for sale, if you love to drive a street car with a 180/150k spring and without the rollcage which strengthen the chassis of the 174% (tested on the bench, torsinal forces EC95 stds).

We took about 1 week with an 8s engine on the dyno to get the best mapping at the beginning of the year, playing with the "opened" ecu and mappings.

Tomorrow we'll be still there on th dyno to play with the my'05 engine and new mappings to get some hp more.

We never run a street car engine as it is with the opened Ecu. All the street cars we did had the racing engine, intake and exhaust fitted.


StealthTL 12-19-2004 05:44 AM

Nice wing....
 
Sounds like we are on the edge of a technique for cracking the ECU's secrets.....


S

hfalex 12-19-2004 07:31 AM

The driver is Alan Simoni ;)

r0tor 12-19-2004 04:58 PM

this seems about the most promising work i've heard of... racers always find a way

Spazm 12-19-2004 10:42 PM

What kit is on that car?

Ajax 12-19-2004 10:48 PM

it's not a kit. it's astra racing's custom racecar.

Spazm 12-19-2004 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by Ajax
it's not a kit. it's astra racing's custom racecar.

:( Thats too bad.


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