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Nemesis8 03-13-2010 11:54 AM

13B-RE Cosmo in an RX8
 
Check out this 13B-RE Cosmo in an RX8

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KrumbZ 03-13-2010 11:56 AM

wow, that look sick!

ChrisRX8PR 03-13-2010 12:56 PM

That is about two years old, don't know why it didn't get any press. The guy was actually selling that intake manifold/piping/throttle assembly on the RX-7 forum last year because he tore it down....awesome build imo.

Here is the link:

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.ph...=twin+throttle


Chris

Turblown 03-14-2010 02:27 PM

Dave ran our stud kit in that engine. He ended up going back to a single turbo also...

TeamRX8 03-14-2010 03:07 PM

waiting for the twin turbo h8rs to descend on this thread ...

Nemesis8 03-14-2010 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by ChrisRX8PR (Post 3469345)
That is about two years old, don't know why it didn't get any press. The guy was actually selling that intake manifold/piping/throttle assembly on the RX-7 forum last year because he tore it down....awesome build imo.

Here is the link:

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.ph...=twin+throttle


Chris

I knew it was old, but I could not find it mentioned anywhere :dunno:

ChrisRX8PR 03-15-2010 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by Nemesis8 (Post 3470263)
I knew it was old, but I could not find it mentioned anywhere :dunno:

Sick setup nonetheless.

Chris

diabolical1 03-19-2010 10:06 AM

sweet Mary! it's a bit over the top for me, but i love it. that intake is a work of art, and i'm a fan of the twin turbo setup. SpeedMachine Performance ... hmmm ... are those the same guys that had built a gray FC several years ago? anyway, i never saw this car before, so thanks for posting it.

Silverisk8 03-19-2010 10:15 AM

incredible !!! way beyond SICK & NASTY !!!! I can only imagine feeling the power

that_one_rx8 04-13-2017 01:42 PM

For that engine what would you need to fit that in a 09 rx8

200.mph 04-13-2017 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by that_one_rx8 (Post 4814335)
For that engine what would you need to fit that in a 09 rx8

a huge budget. if ya have to ask you cant afford it. also try searching

that_one_rx8 04-13-2017 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by 200.mph (Post 4814341)
a huge budget. if ya have to ask you cant afford it. also try searching

Try me what price

Loki 04-13-2017 02:37 PM

[edit] never mind, I had 20B on my mind when replying, not 13B [/edit]
And you have to ask yourself if you want all the luxuries to work, like a/c, dsc and the tach.

that_one_rx8 04-13-2017 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Loki (Post 4814353)
The motor itself, in unknown condition, runs around 6k. Considering they're 25 years old, it may need a rebuild, with unfindable parts, so another 4-5k. So that's 10k before you've started any actual work. Easily 30k by the time you're finished, if all goes well.

Your telling its 10k for fab work really 😂😂😂😂 I find that hard to belive man

reddozen 04-13-2017 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by that_one_rx8 (Post 4814354)
Your telling its 10k for fab work really 😂😂😂😂 I find that hard to belive man

10k-15k easily...
If you can make everything yourself, maybe less. You have to remember that stuff like this is a fabricator, and they charge $60~$100/hour, and can easily rack up 100 hours of labor + materials.

I will easily have 35~40k in my 20b swap. The fabrication work isn't much different.

If you want to shave some money, go with an REW where you can get subframe kits premade etc. You're still going to spend like $20k+

that_one_rx8 04-13-2017 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by reddozen (Post 4814362)
10k-15k easily...
If you can make everything yourself, maybe less. You have to remember that stuff like this is a fabricator, and they charge $60~$100/hour, and can easily rack up 100 hours of labor + materials.

I will easily have 35~40k in my 20b swap. The fabrication work isn't much different.

If you want to shave some money, go with an REW where you can get subframe kits premade etc. You're still going to spend like $20k+

What is all the fab work I will need to do is what in asking is it drop plug in and play or am I going to need to get materials give me the list of fab work I will need done to put a 13b re into my 09 rx8

reddozen 04-13-2017 04:13 PM

Easy... anything related to putting in a stock engine... throw it away and start over. If you have to ask for a detailed list, then you either have done zero research, or have never wrenched on your car to begin with. Nothing is "plug and play" with an engine swap. You will always have necessary custom parts needed to finish the job correctly.

Loki 04-13-2017 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by that_one_rx8 (Post 4814363)
What is all the fab work I will need to do is what in asking is it drop plug in and play or am I going to need to get materials give me the list of fab work I will need done to put a 13b re into my 09 rx8

Somehow I missed that this was a 13B-RE, not a 20B. So I take my comment back, 13B's are easier. Not easy, but easier.

A few guys on here have done REW swaps, if you find their threads and ask nicely, they may tell you the details.

that_one_rx8 04-13-2017 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by reddozen (Post 4814365)
Easy... anything related to putting in a stock engine... throw it away and start over. If you have to ask for a detailed list, then you either have done zero research, or have never wrenched on your car to begin with. Nothing is "plug and play" with an engine swap. You will always have necessary custom parts needed to finish the job correctly.

Your wrong in a few ways bud first off some swaps you can get lucky and it is plug and play and two I do my research everyday and sometimes people dont out up detailed list of there fab work

that_one_rx8 04-13-2017 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by Loki (Post 4814368)
Somehow I missed that this was a 13B-RE, not a 20B. So I take my comment back, 13B's are easier. Not easy, but easier.

A few guys on here have done REW swaps, if you find their threads and ask nicely, they may tell you the details.

I will thanks for the help I'm still looking around

reddozen 04-14-2017 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by that_one_rx8 (Post 4814398)
Your wrong in a few ways bud first off some swaps you can get lucky and it is plug and play and two I do my research everyday and sometimes people dont out up detailed list of there fab work

No other engine is going to go into the 8 without custom work. There are some kits for and rew but they still don't include everything you need for a turn key car. Any turbo motor is going to take a lot of fab work. You'll spend a min of 15k on an rew swap, and at least 20k on an re. There's nothing off the shelf to help swap an re like an rew. You could come out less than that of you can do all the fab work yourself, but most people don't have that skill.

I'll help you out a little...
-Custom subframe. Either modified or add on.
-Depending on subframe custom motor mounts
-Custom exhaust manifold. Stock twins do not clear the frame rail unless you repisition the whole drive train forward ie, more custom stuff
-All the usual turbo stuff
-Custom intake parts
-Correct way to handle the LIM is to get a short one or custom fab. For an re its custom, or you can hammer in the fire wall... Not the best option.
-Custom throttle control parts. Either an adapter to use the 8 dbw, or new peddle and setup for cable
-Possibly custom oil pan
-A lot of other little shit that you'll run into while you're going. Don't underestimate this part. This is where budgets get serially blown.

If you can do all that on your own, then maybe you can get your car running for 10k. In a perfect world your block is going to run you almost 5k by itself if you have it rebuilt properly, and that's probably a little on the cheap. 2k for the motor and 3k for a full rebuild. I think you'd be realistically looking at closer to 6-7k depending on the used housing condition.

The rx8 is a very expensive platform to make power with. There's no way around that unless you can do almost everything yourself.

that_one_rx8 04-14-2017 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by reddozen (Post 4814492)
No other engine is going to go into the 8 without custom work. There are some kits for and rew but they still don't include everything you need for a turn key car. Any turbo motor is going to take a lot of fab work. You'll spend a min of 15k on an rew swap, and at least 20k on an re. There's nothing off the shelf to help swap an re like an rew. You could come out less than that of you can do all the fab work yourself, but most people don't have that skill.

I'll help you out a little...
-Custom subframe. Either modified or add on.
-Depending on subframe custom motor mounts
-Custom exhaust manifold. Stock twins do not clear the frame rail unless you repisition the whole drive train forward ie, more custom stuff
-All the usual turbo stuff
-Custom intake parts
-Correct way to handle the LIM is to get a short one or custom fab. For an re its custom, or you can hammer in the fire wall... Not the best option.
-Custom throttle control parts. Either an adapter to use the 8 dbw, or new peddle and setup for cable
-Possibly custom oil pan
-A lot of other little shit that you'll run into while you're going. Don't underestimate this part. This is where budgets get serially blown.

If you can do all that on your own, then maybe you can get your car running for 10k. In a perfect world your block is going to run you almost 5k by itself if you have it rebuilt properly, and that's probably a little on the cheap. 2k for the motor and 3k for a full rebuild. I think you'd be realistically looking at closer to 6-7k depending on the used housing condition.

The rx8 is a very expensive platform to make power with. There's no way around that unless you can do almost everything yourself.

Thats for the help and I get it I do I make so most to all fab work on my own I just need the parts and what Im trying to find is the parts for a 13b few swap that's all and the thing is can get the money 7k is not bad at all I'm looking around for the engine and still coming up with nothing

reddozen 04-16-2017 12:04 AM

They're not easy to find right now. I bought one. We found out it was bad, and I got a refund. We thought about an re, and I said forget it and just bought a 20b... rew is the best "cheap" idea.

CelestialGryphon 04-16-2017 08:46 AM

How did I miss this thread? Let's assume you have the raw materials to make everything you'll need - This includes random assortments of bushings, access to several different tuning suites and hardware, a dyno to actually get the car dialed in, a warehouse full of random odds and ends you may need including metal stock that you can manipulate for your own desires easily or for free. 1. I'm damnably impressed, and I'd like to know what market you made your money in and how I can get into it. 2. I envy you and wish I had that much time to play with, along with the ability to literally do fuck all except for tinker in my spare time.

Sarcasm aside - reddozen has a point about the engine alone - Try finding a 13B RE or REW in good shape that doesn't need a major rebuild. If you can, it's gonna be costly, and if you're going to be putting it into a vehicle you may as well rebuild it anyway for reliability - Get it built, put it on an engine dyno and break it in and make sure it works if you're going to invest this much time and money into it. I've thought about going FI and in the end I decided it'd be cheaper just to buy a 951 as it'll be a decently handling car with a more conventional engine with boost, and it'll still need a 7k rebuild too.

What exactly are you looking to get out of swapping an engine in this car? If you aren't really, really goddamn careful you'll lose the excellent balance from factory - which nullifies the handling which is the major selling point of these cars. Really, I know my car is slow as dirt in a straight line but in a corner it's tons of fun. If you are doing an engine swap just to do an engine swap because you've got the time and money - By all means, it's not my check book and I'll be interested to see where this goes. There's going to be very, very verrrry little that's "plug and play" if anything. You might get lucky and have one or two connectors match, but beyond that not much else is gonna work. There's already been a list of things you'll need to make it work at a minimum. If you have the money for the engine and a shop and warehouse full of parts, tools, and tuning equipment (standalone EMU, a way to intergrate it...) I'll be damnably impressed and will eat an old boot. I'd love to see a running tally of costs along the way, including time in a shop working on it because I'm just a sadist like that.


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