13b.20b.13B-MSP..HELP
well im new to this forum. i have decided to buy a rx8 because my 240sx wont stop fucking me over good bye car.. BUT anyways im trying to figure this site out and what people do tothere cars but MAN its complicated... SO HELP ME i wanan find a motor i can start small with and work my way up. i have a t3/t4 some 550cc injectors a intercooler a wideband from innovative and a safc controller. SO for god sakes im USING SOME OF MY OLD PARTS..lol... i dont think i can boost the 13B-MSP because its too high compression and the motor is weak... the 13B(<$1500) will DROP right in so i might do that .. and a 20B(>$4000 ) alot of mods but worth it.. i wanna achieve maybe a 400-500hp car ... BUT if i can i wanna turbo the 13b-msp and run minor boost for fun.. so is it possible
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Welcome to the forum
You need to find the search button on the command bar. |
The MSP is stronger than the REW. It is the PCM that screws us up.
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dude, MSP is much stronger than REW.
good luck trying to *drop right in* a REW. oh also, try to use the search function up top. Its very useful. and if you want to learn, thats where you should start. |
if you can do everything custom for the 20b swap be looking at 10k+. if you get help look at 20k+
there is no just "drop it in" |
I'm gonna do my own custom 4 rotor, I'm thinking on using parts from the 13B-REW engine.. (Rotors, Housing, Etc.) Everybody is doing the regular 13B 3 rotor engine swap or the 20B 3 rotor. I wanna take it to the next level and have a 26B 4 rotor RX8.
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Originally Posted by R Magic
(Post 1917943)
I'm gonna do my own custom 4 rotor, I'm thinking on using parts from the 13B-REW engine.. (Rotors, Housing, Etc.) Everybody is doing the regular 13B 3 rotor engine swap or the 20B 3 rotor. I wanna take it to the next level and have a 26B 4 rotor RX8.
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Make sure you have a big fuel tank... maybe TWO big fuel tanks. :p:
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Originally Posted by R Magic
(Post 1917943)
I'm gonna do my own custom 4 rotor, I'm thinking on using parts from the 13B-REW engine.. (Rotors, Housing, Etc.) Everybody is doing the regular 13B 3 rotor engine swap or the 20B 3 rotor. I wanna take it to the next level and have a 26B 4 rotor RX8.
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There is absolutely no way you'll control an RX8 with an SAFC. If you think you're going to have a long lasting Renesis is with an Int-X or E-Manage Ultimate.
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The 4 rotor kit has the following:-
1:- Eccentric Shaft 2:- Front counter weight 3:- Rear counter weight 4:- 2 x Centre plates 5:- 2 x Stationary gears (modified) 6:- 2 x Stationary gear carriers 7:- 2 x Stationary gear external oiling mods 8:- Rear main nut 9:- 2 x eccentric shaft end caps This kit is built with all new parts and also uses genuine Mazda parts, the kit is $9500.00 (NZ) This is a kit only and you will need an experienced engine builder to organize the rest of the parts and engineering and assemble of the 4 rotor engine. $9500 NZ = $6700 US ruffly, I'm guessing it's about a $10,000 engine minimum. $6500 for the KIWI kit, $3000 for the seals, $3000 for the housings and other stuff. Plus some of existed parts, I think $12-13k at most.. |
Originally Posted by R Magic
(Post 1918649)
The 4 rotor kit has the following:-
1:- Eccentric Shaft 2:- Front counter weight 3:- Rear counter weight 4:- 2 x Centre plates 5:- 2 x Stationary gears (modified) 6:- 2 x Stationary gear carriers 7:- 2 x Stationary gear external oiling mods 8:- Rear main nut 9:- 2 x eccentric shaft end caps This kit is built with all new parts and also uses genuine Mazda parts, the kit is $9500.00 (NZ) This is a kit only and you will need an experienced engine builder to organize the rest of the parts and engineering and assemble of the 4 rotor engine. $9500 NZ = $6700 US ruffly, I'm guessing it's about a $10,000 engine minimum. $6500 for the KIWI kit, $3000 for the seals, $3000 for the housings and other stuff. Plus some of existed parts I think $12-13k at most.. |
What's to think..? Price?! I'm sure it'll go up once I order parts, but it shouldn't be much higher. Only thing I'm thinking is why no one has done this before?!
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Originally Posted by R Magic
(Post 1918670)
What's to think..? Price?! I'm sure it'll go up once I order parts, but it shouldn't be much higher. Only thing I'm thinking is why no one has done this before?!
I mean seriously, with enough funds .... I think anything is possible. |
Has anyone ever delved into the idea of adding an additional Renesis rotor and housing to create a 3 rotor Renesis? What's involved beyond upgrading engine management, fuel, cooling & lubrication systems, new mounts and a new eccentric shaft? Is this possible?
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Its LEGO housing time all over again!!
On a serious note to the OP...dude we are trying to be nice and not flame you as part of our new kinder and gentler hazing and initiation procedure.... However...please search and read up a bit more before reasking the question. People have come before you wanting the same things and stuff is out there waiting to be found. As far as rotor grafting...yeah anything can be done with enough money...but just because something can be done does not mean that it should or it will be practical...You would be better served making a "Drop-In" kit for a 20B...But I think the ricans have already got that down to a science... |
Its going to be way over the 13k mark. Look deep into it and check it out. Alot of guys in PR have done 3 rotor and its been pricey. You say you want "the next level" and expect to pay less? Your in for one rude awakening.
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if you want the "next level" you should have just bought an FD rx-7. they outperform the 8, and the e-shaft from the 8 is interchangeable, lighter, and stronger. plus the 7 is actually a performance car. the 8 is more of a fun to drive family car.
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Originally Posted by R Magic
(Post 1917943)
I'm gonna do my own custom 4 rotor, I'm thinking on using parts from the 13B-REW engine.. (Rotors, Housing, Etc.) Everybody is doing the regular 13B 3 rotor engine swap or the 20B 3 rotor. I wanna take it to the next level and have a 26B 4 rotor RX8.
the actual engine cost will be a drop in the bucket compared to everything else you'll need to shoehorn it in there and then make it work reliably ... |
if you think the Renesis is weaker than the REW then I would suggest to not do the work yourself
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 1921115)
a 4-rotor will be very long, with front drive accessories I don't see how it can fit in the existing engine opening between the steering rack and firewall/tunnel :dunno:
the actual engine cost will be a drop in the bucket compared to everything else you'll need to shoehorn it in there and then make it work reliably ... |
Originally Posted by fd3s_jerry
(Post 1921341)
bullshit. the "actual engine cost" of a 4 rotor engine is somewhere in the neighborhood of 12-15k. all said and done, having it in the car will be close to 20-25k. not just a "drop in the bucket."
edit: nevermind, you're just another fd fanbois |
I was quoted 13K before shipping from Yashiro Iron Works last year when I was interested in a YR26B conversion .... 20k after shipping ><
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Originally Posted by fd3s_jerry
(Post 1921088)
if you want the "next level" you should have just bought an FD rx-7. they outperform the 8, and the e-shaft from the 8 is interchangeable, lighter, and stronger. plus the 7 is actually a performance car. the 8 is more of a fun to drive family car.
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wait until your car's 12 years old, I'd bet dollars to pesos that you sell the 8 after your first rebuild. and I haven't really had any trouble with the 7 at all, just preventive maintenance and being nice to it. it's still more fun to drive. I'm not hating on the 8, I like it for what it is, but I know what it's not, too. it's not really a performance vehicle, but a fun to drive family car. yeah, it handles, but it's still slow.
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Originally Posted by Socr8tes
(Post 1922289)
Sure, if you can deal with owning a 12-15 year-old used car and all the headaches that entails...
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The performance level on the Renesis will eclipse the FD over time.
Think back to how bad things were in '97 for the FD guys. That is where we are on the Renesis. The engineering on the SE3P is far better than what went into the FD. It was just a beautiful car and very adept for its time. It is mostly nostalgia and fear that keep the FD in the forefront of tuner technology as far as the 13b is concerned. |
Originally Posted by fd3s_jerry
(Post 1922695)
plus, if this guys looking to do a motor swap, everything is gonna be new anyways, assuming he does it right, so who cares?
Originally Posted by fd3s_jerry
wait until your car's 12 years old, I'd bet dollars to pesos that you sell the 8 after your first rebuild.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
(Post 1922786)
The performance level on the Renesis will eclipse the FD over time.
Think back to how bad things were in '97 for the FD guys. That is where we are on the Renesis. The engineering on the SE3P is far better than what went into the FD. It was just a beautiful car and very adept for its time. It is mostly nostalgia and fear that keep the FD in the forefront of tuner technology as far as the 13b is concerned. like I said, I like the 8, and I'm gonna get one, but if you're looking for performance the fd is the way to go. |
Originally Posted by Socr8tes
(Post 1922944)
I'm not talking about just the engine. Think worn suspension, dried rubber everywhere, ripped/worn leather, broken knobs, thin paint, rattles, sticky locks, electrical problems, creaky hinges, carpet stains, etc, etc. And that doesn't even include the typical FD issues. But I guess that's fine if you're one to spend more time wrenching than driving.
I'm hoping to have a new RX long before a rebuild is required. |
Originally Posted by fd3s_jerry
(Post 1922972)
there are a couple of things in the renesis that are better, like the e-shaft and gears, but 1. those are interchangeable and 2. the 7 is a more capable platform, for everything but hauling groceries.
like I said, I like the 8, and I'm gonna get one, but if you're looking for performance the fd is the way to go. What the FD offered from the factory was a stiffer suspension and a turbo. Both of those can be added to the RX-8. What the FD really has going for it is instant gratification in OEM form as compared to the 8. |
Originally Posted by fd3s_jerry
(Post 1922972)
there are a couple of things in the renesis that are better, like the e-shaft and gears, but 1. those are interchangeable and 2.
Not necessarily more "adaptable", but stronger, lighter, better flowing and redundant. |
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