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Rote8 03-22-2015 12:31 PM

Mazda Injector numbers for Cobb AP
 
Will anyone share their Injector size numbers for the Cobb?

I have:
P1 Yellows
P-2 Blue
P3/Aux Blue

I see the stock red is listed as 369 in the AP when on a P-1 position.

I see the stock yellow is listed as 476 in the AP when on a P-2 or Aux position.

I am guessing on 440 for the blue flow rate, but have not seen a 4 port auto map to get an AP number.


From the Cobb math, I see:

The reds flow 290 on P1 = 369 in the ATR software
The yellows flow 390 on P2/3 = 476 in the ATR software
What do the blues flow? (best guess is 440)

*******************from Cobb Help file************************
To calculate a starting value for a different injector size than stock, use the following formula:
New Size Value = (New Injector Size / Original Injector Size) * Original Size Value.

*******************from Cobb Help file************************

For example, let’s say you are replacing your factory RX-8 Bank 1 injector set (290cc) for after market (or other stock sizes) 390cc injectors.

The P-1 formula would look like:
New Size Value = (390cc / 290cc) * 369;
New Size Value = 496

In light of the stock yellows on a P2 or P-3/Aux using 476 for an AP inj size I wonder if I should go with the 476 like the stock P2 size when the yellow is on P-1.


For the blues in P2/3:
New Size Value = (New Injector Size / Original Injector Size) * Original Size Value.

New Size Value = (440 / 390) * 476
New Size Value = 537

So, go with these math derived AP INJ. values and scale the MAF to these injector sizes, or scale these injector sizes to eliminate most of my trims prior to scaling the MAF?


One last time (am I correct now?). the Cobb injector scaling number is not "tunable"; do the math, use that number, scale only the MAF calibration.

ShellDude 03-22-2015 12:56 PM

you probably already know about this thread: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tec...r-info-150432/

one of my favorites

Rote8 03-22-2015 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by ShellDude (Post 4673845)
you probably already know about this thread: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tec...r-info-150432/

one of my favorites

I was looking for more of a real world injector size vs Cobb AP number.

So, blue = 480, not 440.


For the blues in P2/3:
New Size Value = (New Injector Size / Original Injector Size) * Original Size Value.

New Size Value = (480 / 380) * 476
New Size Value = 601.2

ShellDude 03-22-2015 03:41 PM

Ah... I can help....

I still have Race installed from when I used the AP with my 04 4 port auto. Here are the blues in Race:


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...d3399b6f57.png


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...bee030e868.png

ShellDude 03-22-2015 03:47 PM

And check out this post:

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-eng...2/#post4340811

Rote8 03-22-2015 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by ShellDude (Post 4673871)
Ah... I can help....

I still have Race installed from when I used the AP with my 04 4 port auto. Here are the blues in Race:

Thank you, you confirmed my P2/3 latency settings.

626 is slightly leaner than my 601 MAF math.

I already started scaling the MAF for a 601 P2/3 injector size.

/Scaling the MAF to the math produced injector size has improved the idle over scaling the injectors.

9krpmrx8 03-22-2015 11:08 PM

Rote8, the best way to figure it out is to get your injectors flow tested at 58-60psi.

ShellDude 03-25-2015 08:35 PM

Would someone be willing to post the stock 6MT primary (P1) latency table from Race?

I need to interpolate them into WARI.

TIA!

slash128 03-25-2015 10:22 PM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...25b559ee30.jpg


Originally Posted by ShellDude (Post 4674893)
Would someone be willing to post the stock 6MT primary (P1) latency table from Race?

I need to interpolate them into WARI.

TIA!


TeamRX8 03-25-2015 10:43 PM

Frickin noobs can't search .... :p:

ShellDude 03-26-2015 12:24 AM


Originally Posted by slash128 (Post 4674907)

Slash, what is up with your pressure values?

slash128 03-26-2015 08:43 AM

That's what it has on the stock tables :dunno:

TeamRX8 03-27-2015 07:52 AM

Depends on the unit type selected (US vs rest of world)

ShellDude 03-27-2015 09:18 AM

ah... got it... simply UOM conversion. Thanks Team!


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