DIY: Brake Cooling Ducts for Track Use
 

9) Spray paint the front areas with flat black paint as needed to hide the tape.

10) Cut two small pieces of material to form a block that can be put into the front intake areas when off track, to keep water, sand and other foreign material out of the duct.


That's it, your done!

This - is - cool (literally)!!!! Very nice DIY, Spin! :D

Very nice! Is there any ducting from the inlet to the outlet in the fender well?

??? - say what? I'm confused...

I think he is asking if there's a pipe connecting the 2 rubber tubes. (Good DIY, BTW.)

Ok, I'll go with that - the two tube pieces make a contiguous tube, that's why I say to tape the two together on the inside, they overlap and the tape just makes a nice smooth tube out of them. There is really not that much space between the front air passageway and the fender well.... that's why this works so easily...IMO, should have been like this in the first place...

....hell my PT Cruiser has this from the factory... I recently noticed this and was amazed!! It's not so big as these, but sure enough, right beside the fogs in the cutout like the 8 is a hole going back to the fenderwell.

Thanks Spin.

My caliper paint is burn and it is label to withstand 600 degree heat. No wonder I felt brake fade for a 700 degree pad :eek:

Nice little mod. That give me ideas to cool the new caliper when it comes in. :cool:

Spin this was a great DIY and a great idea...thanks!

But looking at this, does everyone agree that the divider between the brake duct and radiator needs to be installed? I was looking at this yesterday on my car and am not sure air needs to be directed to the ducting. Won't air naturally go through the new brake ducts regardless?

I just bought my 8 3 days ago, and had already decided that a hole through the fender wall in that exact location would benefit the brakes.

While waxing the car, I looked into the triangular space in front of the radiator and could see that there was nothoing between the space and the wheel well except a plastic panel. There is going to be positive pressure in that area at speed which should be sufficient to force air through the hole into the wheel well. Ducting would only raise the bar if a flex duct could be mounted directly to the rotor shield such that the air was forced directly into the rotor hub. If you aren't going that far, all you are really doing is producing airflow to the wheel well, which shouldn't require a duct.

I haven't yet investigated whether the vents behind the front wheels are functional. Do they vent the engine bay, wheel well, or both?

did something similar to my car thx for the idea.

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-do-yourself-forum-73/diy-brake-cooling-ducts-96296/

I decided to investigate doing this yesterday. All looks simple enough, however I ran into a snag and I wonder where the difference is.

From the attached picture of a front end with bumper removed, you can see the centre plastic that sits under the engine. This plastic is moulded and comes up behind the wheel well plastic directly in line with where the hole in this DIY is cut.

Have I missed in the instructions where this is supposed to be cut?

Cheers

Andrew

A GOOD street pad should stand up to about 850-900d, 600d paint is far far too shy for anything other than autox use.

You need paint capable of 1200d to properly measure track temps.


Those ducts are about 1/2 way there, you need to get air to the -center- of the back of the rotor to do any good.

Sure, more air is getting into the well, but the wheel well wasnt lacking for air inthe first place, the CENTER of the rotor is lacking high CFM airflow..but of course, this would only matter if you had actual temperature problems WRT rotor failure (heat stress cracking, etc). This wont affect pad temps whatsoever.

The more focused high CFM airflow is on the inside core of the rotor, the better, which also means the less lost to 'leaking' from that area, the better.

Cooling ducting that points to the center but doesnt seal it there, commonly shows up as rotors that heat crack on the outside face only, while the inside face remains in excelent shape.

If you are heat cracking both sides..youre not getting enough air to the rotor to cool anything..or youre just going fast enough to find the limits of your current cooling.

Also, dont forget the extreme value of a cooldown lap if you get any at all, you can come into your pit well under 400d or less if you learn to practice a good cooldown lap at the track.

Its the hot parking that boils inferior brake fluid 99% of the time, the other 1% is back to either cooling or improper brake technique.

Eventually you cant get a hot enough pad, or enough cooling, then you gotta go bling to fix it.

I think there needs to be an all-in-one solution to take in air from the front and provide ventilation through the gills. Has anyone done this?

Im not convinced theres a reason ducts whatsoever unless you own a dedicated race '8 with MUCH more HP.

Sames goes for a big brake kit.

Theres so much you can do on pad materials that few ever consider before spending thoudands of $$$$ on kits or hundreds and hundreds on custom WELL designed duct installs.

Well said.

Brake cooling needs are proportional to horsepower.

It is easier to upgrade to better pads for a track day than to design and install an effective cooling system.

And also..agreed. But unless someone is documenting sustained and exceeding 1200d rotor temps, you can solve the problem with materials much easier.

This is also the proper method to manage track braking performance. Installing ducting to get pads NOT suited for the environment to work "better" is just dressing up a pig.

Track day on OEM pads is quite acceptable for MOST people, I drive harder and faster than most because I can do so safely (I outran the NASA TTD class winner by .05sec in my fastest lap on stock brakes, OEM 25k old tires, zero mods) at Sears Point last event when I compared by hot lap times to his transponder times. Gimme some rubber and pads..thats 2 seconds without thinking about it.

A 405Hp 3200lb Z06 with 12.8" rotors -needs- ducts irregardless of pad material, because you can (And I do) crack rotors on the Z in about 2 days, thankfully theyre only $23/ea. And yes, $100 OEM rotors crack just as fast. Thats when you need ducts. And thats only for the _really_ fast drivers. The not so fast drivers wont heat crack rotors at all very easilly.

A 225Hp 3200lb Rx8 on 11.8 or 12.8 rotors just simply doesnt have the same need at all.

That 180Hp difference is a lot, and it tells me that ducting isnt on the required list of non dedicated super high HP RX8's.

If you do track days, and you find OEM pads aint cutting it and it's not your braking technique, get the right tools for the job..get the right pads.

Here's a bit of an update...my goal has always been to have fadproof braking with aggressive friction at all times during multiple track sessions of 20-25 min each over the course of a weekend with NO CHANGE in brake action over the event. I THOUGHT I was getting close before, but feel/friction was never right for my driving and brakes often became a bit numb over an event. The end result was loss of confidence and resulting holding back.

To that end I've changed/updated a couple key components and believe I now have the braking characteristics I've needed/always wanted for this type of track use. Yea!!! BTW I've graduated to R-Compounds to up the speeds and brake stress just a bit :naughty:

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Just back yesterday from trackdays at a long 3.5 mile track with multiple high speed ~100+ braking zones. Setup on brakes is DIY ducts of course, stock calipers, dust shield in place, RB 2-piece rotors front only, fresh Motul 594 degree dry boiling point brake fluid (upgrade from ATE Super Blue), Cobalt Friction GT-Sport pads (HUGE friction/feel/modulation upgrade from Hawk HP+).

I check temps in the paddock area, but checkered flag to brake temp test is only ~60 sec as the flag is given just 3 turns before pit-in.

Results were consistent during 2 days of runs. Hotest spot (top of brake pad front) was just shy of 500 degrees. Other areas pads/calipers were is mid 400 degree range. Pads are rated to 1200 degrees, Motul to 592 degrees so cooling is keeping things well within an acceptable range for this application.

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UPDATE MARCH 2011 - ADDED SOME FURTHER DETAIL

I located pics I'd taken during the brake duct redo I did last summer when I had my bumper off. The 1st time I didn't have the bumper off to do this mod...it was OK but much more of a pain than having free access like this. I'd recommend the bumper off approach if you can manage it.
These show better the internal construction that was missing in the original pics from 2006.

This 1st shows the ducts finished and the side separators in place. You can see generous use of the weather resistant tape (not duct tape, nor metal tape, but Tyco adhesive #330 All weather foil)

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This shows the gutter guard mesh in place. In a 2 step process, the plastic tube is taped securely to the shroud that was cut. Then the mesh cut and placed over the whole, and another layer of tape applied all around. The last step was to apply a back coating. i used truck bed liner spray, as it is thick and lasts far longer than paint at such a vulnerable place close to the road and debris.

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This shows the separator board position next to the air conditioner coil. Here in the pic it's not completely installed yet. The two holes are for (rear) a screw that goes through into the shroud and hold it securely in place, and (front) a hole for a tiewrap that will attach to screening when the bumper is on.

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last this shows a extra modification I did. I found the tube (inside the wheel well) would pop out of the cutout in the shroud sometimes, so I took a piece of foam rubber mat, cut it and used a giant tiwrap to secure it on the inside of the tube. This made it secure so it wouldn't pop out.

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Here is the competeled duct with the bumper back on. I use the same gutter guard across the entire front of the lower opening to keep debris out. The divider is attached to that to keep it secure and straight under high air pressure that developes there at speed.

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Just seen this and thought of this thread.

Rx-8 Brake Cooler Kit by Sneed4Speed

Anyone looked at rear brake cooling? I recently cracked an OEM disc rotor on my race car and have since upgraded them. With the heat shields and lack of ducting at the rear I think they could use a little more cooling.