RX8 vs 350Z
 

What kind of mods whould you need in the rx8 to beat a Z? will a simple exhaust and intake do the work? if not tell me all the mods you would need...

an EASY button helps alot

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exhaust and intake will help increase the noise your car makes by a factor of 3.

Far as hp gains, you may gain up to 5 hp, but may lose 5 hp as well, depending on what type of intake you pick.

A curvey road would suffice.

With the greddy turbo kit the RX-8 is just as fast as the 350z

last week i raced against a modded 350z...he had alot done, couple of things i remember were pullies, headers, hiflowcat, exhaust, intake, and probably more i just cant remember. i just have AEM intake, b&b midpipe, and ms dual exhaust.
we raced from a 45mph roll on 2nd gear....lets just say, THEIR 3RD GEAR IS FREAKEN SICCKKKKKKKK....i kept up with him til the end of 2nd gear but once he hit third he pulled about 4-5 car lengths and stoppped pulling at the end of my third...
i'd say we can beat a stock 350z with a few mods like headers, midpipe, exhaust, intake, pullies, lighter flywheel, clutch and ecu...but to beat a modded 350z? i hardly doubt it...

but it also depends if we're starting the race from the line or a roll....

oh btw, did i mention he also had another person in the car and 2 bowling balls? he would have definitely pulled ALOT harded without them...

AWESOME post.

first you say he had a lot done. then you list a 'few' mods that consist of all that & more for the 8.

& you "hardly doubt it"? think about what that means.

:kiss:

FI is the only solution

well... get yourself a ninja blow dart, stick your head out of the window and shoot at his tire(s) from then on at 45mph, you can just throttle it in 6th gear and win. Ninja Blowguns FTW!

there ya go; problem solved. cheap, too!

^ if that's the case, remember to drive away after the race.

So basically you're stock vs a 350z that is faster than the rx-8 in a straight line even in stock form. Not shocked at the results.

Drop a turbo on your 8 and you'll be faster than him, and without spending a penny more than what he paid for the Z.

But he will have his warranty!

haha... screw warranty!

headers could easily void a warranty since they are "part of" the motor.

True, but for many of us, that will be a moot point shortly :)

For all those mods, you'd just have a really loud car and still get your ass handed to you by a stock Z.

On the track, an 8 keeps up with the Z in any form I have seen to date until the straights where they will pull away from you. Lap times which is what really counts depend on the track. But I would love to have that extra 50 horses to remove that variable...

In a drag race, there are many cars on the road which will pull away from you. If that is what you want, the 8 is not the car.

Not too many major aftermarket parts that will give a lot of hp out yet. Im just waitin till some real good superchargers/turbos come in production. Lots of them are still in the process.

The 350z's have to pay a lot more for their 2 seater when it comes to insurance. I'm happy with my 8. Too many 350z out on the road anyway. The 8's stand out more :)

RP's Super Charger

I bought an RX-8 and my boy bought a 350Z i honestly cant keep up with him as far as acceleration goes, but you know what I feel I bought a classier car that gets more looks and more respect so its really a preference choice. And sorry but is it just me when people say header(S!) it gets me fired up! Sorry thats my rant.

NOS will do the tricks

Yeh, heard he's done with all the hard stuff and just trying to fix/tune some minor problems. How much hp and torque is it puttin out now? I'm trying to decide whether i should wait and save for rp's supercharger or PTP's turbo

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...u/PTPTURBO.jpg

I have the 8 and my BF has the Z. I don't stand a chance... You just gotta suck it up and get over it. *shrug*

How did you get that Car & Driver article?

I thought it wasn't supposed to be out until the July Issue (which it says on the bottom of the page).

Do you have the rest of it?

just get another car...or the ptp kit..ahhaha

FI only way

Heh i saw one of the other guys on the forum post it somewhere so i just reposted it here, heh...

Ah Found it

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../PTPTURBO2.jpg

I had a Z be4 the 8, there is no match for just going strainght. I do like the 8 more tho, becoz it gives me a better feel, faster response, and better conering. Z is kind of too heavy, especially the new 06s. If i remember correctly, even the base model weight over 3300lbs now.

wtf...im i seeing this correctly...the ptp turbo has 390bhp but only does the 1/4mile in 13.5?

please tell me that im just seeing it incorrectly or that the test driver just REALLY REALLY sucks...i would have thought with that much power it would bring us down to atleast 12s but 13.5???...

My warranty will be up by then end of the year or early 07...so :) and :( lol

Anyway, just become the better driver, and save your money for something else. Or go NOS/FI.

But let me say that I have a friend who beat a 350z on the highway, with 4 people in the RX8. It was really close, but the race didin't go too long so it could have ended differetnly in the longer run.
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But then again my friend lost to an RSX w/ bolt ons. It was close too from what I hear.
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I can tell you there is no way for a 8 to beat a Z on highway, even with driver only... unless the 8 is turbo, then maybe possible. or the Z's driver wasn't even pushing :D:

Well, my friend talked to the driver afterward, and the z driver was racing, but my point is, there are a lot of variables in racing. Sometimes you can take what you shouldn't be able to. But having the power to win always helps!
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an 8 vs a Z...
 

My first post on this site, though ive been reading it since i got my 8 in otober 2k5.
(04 RX8 GT package, 6mt, winning blue, ground effects package)

My friend has a white 05 350Z (nismo ED.) highflow cat, intake, catback, nismo sways, and BBS19s. and it is much quicker in the strait then my 8. its not a contest but..... when we wip down a nice windy road i reel him in in the corners b/c the 8 handles better, breaks MUCH better, and its generally more responsive. but like i said when the strait comes he slowly becomes a dot.

As of now my 8 is stock, but in the next month or so i plan on getting the following and i will post on the relative difference i see in strait line comparison with his Z.

ACT prolite flyweel & street perf. clutch, Greddy SP2 catback, Mid pipe & O2 simulator, exhaust mani (headers thought they are not really headers), pullys, piggyback ECU, and Mazdaspeed OR REVi intake system. (possibly a 40-50hp...)

midpipe will get you around 10, revi can you around 3 - 5. ecu can give you around 15-20 at peak. flywheel around 6 hp in the lower gears. So 40 sounds about right.

flywheel is about 400, install is another 300. revi and duct are around 400. catback (no gains) will cost around 600. ecu around 300 - 1500 (depending on what you buy). Midpipes go for around 200. So thats around 2300... If you're going to drop that much in one go, I'd say just get a supercharger or turbo and midpipe.

I Tried Off The Hole With A Z - First Gear And Second I Was With Him - 3rd Pulled Me 3 Cars -i Had A Couple Of Things Done And He Was Stock - To Beat A Modded Z U Need Turbo Or The Magic Gas

Where's this "curvey road?" Is it gold and lead to OZ?

or it might be the driver mod =P i beat a Z on the highway and his said "nizmo tuned" so i dont think he was stock of course neither was I but I had no FI either. next mod im putting into my car is a dash mount camera

A camera? To what? Record your wildest dreams?

wanna be a Z on the straight F/I or N.O.S :) and if that doesn't work .... theres the 20b.... but tell him to see ya in the twisties :)

i've beaten Z's on twisties several times. but once we get on the straight away, they barely pull away from me. thast since i have a sound system that is weighing me back liek hell:). hahah

Any RX-8 who is beating a Z on the straight is either heavily modded vs a stock Z, or the 8 has a good driver and the Z driver doesn't know how to drive for shit. We can keep up and even overcome them in the corners depending on the road or track, but on the straight, there's just no chance. :dunno:

spoken like someone who doent know how to drive, i beat a c5 vette auto at the track and lost to a transam by half a car but their drivers probably sucked alot of driving is in the driver

^What mods do you have???

the last time i was at the track and got beat by half a car by a c5 stock auto vette i had

mid pipe, borla exhaust, pro lite flywheel, tein coilovers, tuned, volk racing gt7 w/ 245/35/19 front and 275/35/19 rear, new clutch, im trying to remember what else ill have to go through my folder of receipts its been so long since ive even driven my car ill have to get my car dyno'd again since i left alot of stuff in cali when i moved hopefully it gets shipped to me soon we will see but it was the 210-215 mark.

i drove my brothers 8 today that only has intake and greddy cat back done to it theres a huge difference his clutch is also way lighter than mine is ><, hes driven mine a few times but right now it isnt registered for street use but he cant wait till i get it registered because he always wants to drive mine lol

Not to blow anybody's BS flag. but i have my dyno graphs at a shop that specializes in Z's and he just so happen to be my good friend and with just RB intake and exhaust I picked up 16 hp over stock. and yes i stay neck and neck with stock z for all the way up to about 100. SO i do not know why u guys are so up on the z. all my friends have them and they are very much impressed with my 8. now if we are talking the new HR. motor. 2007 z correct we dont have a chance freaking thing is damn fast now. runs 13.4 q. stock. consistently. the old z only ran a 14.6 and we ran a 14.8

:rollingla Yes. I believe it is. Dude...I've NEVER been beaten by a Z. And I'm for damn sure I'll take, in a legal and closed track of course, a Firechicken. I sure as sh!t wouldn't bragg about beating any ATs either.

Any bets? I take Paypal.

maybe it's different at 6000 ft altitude...but i've kept up with Z's and Evo's on the highway going from100-130. they slowly slowly krept away after that.

a corvette auto or manual still has more hp/weight ratio than an rx8 and with the fact that i missed 2nd and still kept my nose at his door thats not bad if i hadnt of missed 2nd i would have stayed even with him. ive never lost to a Z either i did lose to a srt-4 the first week i got my car i didnt know how to launch the car lol that was the last time i lost to 1 of those that wasnt stage 3 with some work they can become very fast.