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A lot more people reporting hesitation with their kit. Why don't you run their kit if you trust them so much.
Like I said before, the heat shields block off the hot engine air. The cold air intake is just a term to distinquish between something that draws air from the outside (mine) or from the engine bay (K&N) Please show us with some proof such as dynosheet that the flywheel is the best bang for the buck. Chuck Huang Originally posted by breezy_rx8 Jercs- Well, Chuck points out his filter is smaller therefore there's more room for air. At the same time, could his smaller filter be a bottleneck? Chuck says no, that his filter is already sufficiently big enoug and that the K&N is overkill. I'm not a Renesis mechanical engineer and neither is Chuck. I tend to trust K&N over Wang as K&N has engineers design their filters. Chuck will point out the K&N filter is open to the hot engine bay. That is true. The RE filter is still within the engine bay (whether it has a "heat shield") or not and is still subject to the hot engine bay in due time. I guess my wording was not good. It's not necessarily "feeding" air into the intake as say a turbo/super charger forces air in. But there is some air ducts that capture air directed torward the filter. If your RE filter is working for you, I'm glad to hear. Everyone has their own opinion controversy is inevitable. I will let everyone know after the mazdaspeed flywheel is installed. There's no gimic about the flywheel. It's all physics. Why don't they install the lightweight flywheel to start is the obvious question. Well, a heavier flywheel gives more engine momentum and therefore the engine runs smoother and more gradual. This is good for most people. For those who want max acceleration and are willing to put up with getting used to the feel of the flywheel, hands down it is the best bang for your buck. |
Chemist. Graduated in 1999 from UC Berkeley. Happy?
Chuck Huang Originally posted by breezy_rx8 Chuck- Are you an engineer. Yes or No. |
Do you know all the cars out there? You don't. Some people do have hesitation problem with everything stock. I happen to know more than you do since I do this for a living.
Heat shields don't block jack? Explain why? Without them, you can expect the air temp to incredase by at least 40F. If the ambient is 50F outside, will it be cold air coming in? It's just terminology people in this industry to distinquish two different setups. If you have a problem with it, it's just too bad. People always want to use big word such as "engineerer" to gain respect. Not impressive at all if you still need to get advice from others. What's up with this "Wang" thing. Are you making fun of my last name? It shows again how ignorant you are. Sad. Chuck Huang Originally posted by breezy_rx8 Hymmm. Isn't it a coincidence that cars with no previous hesitation now have hesitation with Chuck's intake?? He can't blame Mazda for his premature filter. Your heat shield doesn't block jack. The filter is in the engine bay whether you like it or not. I never said the stock filter will get colder than ambient temperatures. Neither will your filter! Why do you even call it a cold air filter? That's a joke! You have never heard of an RX-7 mazdaspeed mechanic? Try going to any mazdaspeed mazda dealership and see if they have any old RX-7 expert mechanics who now work on the RX-8s. I shall take my mechanics advice (and my engineering background) and go with a flywheel. Thanks. |
Your heat shield is still exposed to the hot engine bay. Sure the air may be cooler initially until the engine is warm! ha.
I liked your "expert advice" in the other post to take off the air filter alltogether and drive the car in 4th gear full throttle. Ha. Your advice could ruin people's engines! I think you need a few more years of experience under your belt, son, before you make such outlandish recommendations. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they hire Chemists to design air intakes for the RX-8s! About the only chemical principal that applies is entropy - maybe the reason for your ingenous "heat shield". I do not claim to be an expert. I just use common sense. And I do listen to advice from experienced mechanics. Admittingly, I am a computer engineer, not a mechanical engineer or physicist. That's why I leave it up to competent Mazda mechanical engineers to design the air intake for me, not some chemist trying to make a couple extra bucks. I am not at all against mods for the RX-8s. As long as the mods have been designed by engineers for a specific purpose. I.e. the mazdaspeed flywheel. This was designed by mazdaspeed engineers for the RX-8. The likelihood of a mazda designed mod causing engine issues is slim. And even if there are issues, I have warranty coverage - I requested by Mazda in writing. Should I throw on your intake and screw up my engine as a result. I go to Mazda trying to claim warranty , saying "well Chuck Huang said it would be okay". They will laugh at me and say who is Chuck Huang. |
Geez Breezy, chill out a little bit. If you don't like Chuck's design say so (which you already have) and then move on. Or if you are feeling really ambitious why don't you try to build one that works better.
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Ok Chuck, enough said. No hard feelings. Sorry about the last name thing - people often refer to you as Wang.
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Originally posted by breezy_rx8 I agree with IKnowNot'ing. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out just by looking at the stock air filter that it is pretty well engineered as it is! There are stock cold air scoops feeding the air filter. The filter is short, wide and faces the wind. Aftermarket air filters might give older vehicles more kick. Todays RX8s are fairly flawlessly designed by competent japanese engineers. It doesn't surprise chuck wang's garage design air filters are now having problems. I'm sure glad I didn't waste my money on that. Wang's a crook. If you want more pep, go with a mazdaspeed lightened flywheel. Afterall, if you have a Mazda dealer install it, the warranty is not void! and...CHUCK WANG is not a crook. he has a good product and deals with his customers in an honerable way. go away rudy |
ofcourse you like your RE intake. afterall people who get conned into such gimics usually don't like to admit it. i'm sure wang is a swell businessman - a swell engineer, well that's another story. Afterall the poor man doesn't want to be sued by somebody who takes his advice to remove the air filter ("to test for hesitation") and whose engine chokes on dirt and dibris.
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Sigh... you really need to read some physics books before you talk to me.
The function of the heat shield is to block off the hot engine air. Of course it will be warm and so is the stock air box. Both are sitting inside the engine bay The important aspect is the source of the air. In this case, the air is coming from the fresh air duct. You want a cold air intake by placing the filter on the outside? Sorry, it's not going to work. The ram air effect will disturb the MAF signal too much. Your common sense is useless. Computer engineer? No wonder you know nothing about physics. Do you know people with science background has to go through all the courses such as physics and thermodyamics? I happened to manufacture parts for RX-7 for more than 6 years. Ask your mechanic to make some parts for you if you like their advice so much. Maybe they have a higher educational background and they can explain the theories to you better. I doubt it. The only way you can test out the hesitation is when the car is on load. You can do it on the dyno if you don't feel safe. The bottom line is, you are just plainly ignorant and I feel sorry for you. The more you talk, the more it shows you have no idea what you are talking about. Chuck Huang Originally posted by breezy_rx8 Your heat shield is still exposed to the hot engine bay. Sure the air may be cooler initially until the engine is warm! ha. I liked your "expert advice" in the other post to take off the air filter alltogether and drive the car in 4th gear full throttle. Ha. Your advice could ruin people's engines! I think you need a few more years of experience under your belt, son, before you make such outlandish recommendations. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they hire Chemists to design air intakes for the RX-8s! About the only chemical principal that applies is entropy - maybe the reason for your ingenous "heat shield". I do not claim to be an expert. I just use common sense. And I do listen to advice from experienced mechanics. Admittingly, I am a computer engineer, not a mechanical engineer or physicist. That's why I leave it up to competent Mazda mechanical engineers to design the air intake for me, not some chemist trying to make a couple extra bucks. I am not at all against mods for the RX-8s. As long as the mods have been designed by engineers for a specific purpose. I.e. the mazdaspeed flywheel. This was designed by mazdaspeed engineers for the RX-8. The likelihood of a mazda designed mod causing engine issues is slim. And even if there are issues, I have warranty coverage - I requested by Mazda in writing. Should I throw on your intake and screw up my engine as a result. I go to Mazda trying to claim warranty , saying "well Chuck Huang said it would be okay". They will laugh at me and say who is Chuck Huang. |
How much dirt can get into your engine by doing one run? Take off your stock air filter and see how clean it is. If you don't feel safe, do the test on the freaking dyno but I think you are too cheap to do so anyways.
I think I know who you are now. You sound just like Compaddicts. He happened to sell computer parts too. lol :D Same old illogical statements with same kind of attitude. Chuck Huang Originally posted by breezy_rx8 ofcourse you like your RE intake. afterall people who get conned into such gimics usually don't like to admit it. i'm sure wang is a swell businessman - a swell engineer, well that's another story. Afterall the poor man doesn't want to be sued by somebody who takes his advice to remove the air filter ("to test for hesitation") and whose engine chokes on dirt and dibris. Enough of this nonsense. |
Sorry Rudy. Last name is Huang. :) I really have no idea where the "Wang" is coming from.
Don't worry about him. I am 99% sure he is Compaddict who has been giving me crap since day one. Chuck Huang Originally posted by rudy8 im the one who started this thread about the problem with the intake. as it turns out, i was the problem because i installed it wrong...once done right, it works perfectly like everyone else who installed one. and...CHUCK WANG is not a crook. he has a good product and deals with his customers in an honerable way. go away rudy |
Wang, I can go all day. I tried to give it a rest, but you're just not satisfied yet..
The bottom line, you're an incompetent chemist who knows nothing about how to design this air filter. Your parts are failing like crazy 3 out of 60 is just those who bother to complain. 3 out of 60 is already a ridiculous number! Your heat shield isn't blocking any more hot air than the stock intake. My common sense has gone a long way. Obviously yours has not. I do give you credit for conning people out of their hard earned cash though! I'll challenge you to a physics battle any time, bring it on wang. We chip designers have quite a bit of physics background. Wow, you have designed the same CRAP for RX-7s for 6 years. Any jackass can claim to design parts for x number of years. But I don't see the name MAZDA stamped onto any of your products. I see the ametueur, homemade riduculous looking sorry excuse for an air intake "designed professionally by chuck wang himself". Ha ha. LMAO. Also, about getting dirt in the intake. Any moron with a hare of common sense knows it's not a wise idea to take off the air filter for ANY PERIOD OF TIME! I'm not cheap at all. I chose to spend my money wisely. Any your products are not a wise choice! Computer engineer, jackass, not computer salesman. Big difference. Kind of like you. There's competent mechanical engineers and then there's you - incompetent maggot with a chemistry book who thinks he's the next Dale Earnhardt Jr. |
Originally posted by breezy_rx8 I tend to trust K&N over Wang as K&N has engineers design their filters. Chuck will point out the K&N filter is open to the hot engine bay. That is true. The RE filter is still within the engine bay (whether it has a "heat shield") or not and is still subject to the hot engine bay in due time. https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=22349 So it seems that the heat shield is indeed important, and that Chuck had the right idea in the first place. Where does all your negativity towards Chuck and his products come from? Many people are happy with his intake. Maybe you should do some actual research before badmouthing someone's design and then questioning his qualifications. |
Sorry to disappint you. The parts are not failing but the car is. Like I said, all parts are made uniformly. It works on majority of cars. 95% out there so far. Check with Mazda and see how many cars already been on recall.
I am so incomponent that I happen to have knowledge myself without outside help. So I have to challage your chip designer, not your directly? Why don't you chanllege my professor at UC Berkeley who happens to be a Nobel Prize winner? I never said the shileds will block off more hot air than the stock intake. I said it will block off hot air coming into the intake vs. an total open filter such as the old style K&N Typhoon. I don't see any Mazda logo stampped on any aftermarket parts. Name one? Mazdaspeed? Mazdaspeed is Mazda. Do you see Mazda logo stampped on HKS, Greddy, Blitz, RE Amemiya parts?? You know you are cheap. You never do your own R&D and all you do is criticize other people's product and best of all, you have no knowledge at all. Taking off the filter is not a good idea but one run will not do any damage. The stock air duct is complete shielded. Take off your front bumper and see it yourself. If you don't want to purchase the intake and find out the hardway, it's the cheapest way for you to find out if an aftermarket intake will work or not. My advice was only trying to save people the hassle and money. What do I gain from that? I never claimed anything. Where is that Dale Earnhardt Jr. thing coming from? Another assumption from you? You the one who asked me if I am an engineer. I never want to use my educational background to prove anything but since you asked, I just told you. I feel really sorry for you. Calling me names does not prove anything. Only ignorant people will use name calling to bring someone down. And only people who have nothing to offer will use name calling as a weapon. So you are indeed Compaddict? It's sad that someone will need to alias and hide behind a computer so they can do all the BS talking. Sad. Sad. My advice for you is to get a life and go see a doctor. Chuck Huang Originally posted by breezy_rx8 Wang, I can go all day. I tried to give it a rest, but you're just not satisfied yet.. The bottom line, you're an incompetent chemist who knows nothing about how to design this air filter. Your parts are failing like crazy 3 out of 60 is just those who bother to complain. 3 out of 60 is already a ridiculous number! Your heat shield isn't blocking any more hot air than the stock intake. My common sense has gone a long way. Obviously yours has not. I do give you credit for conning people out of their hard earned cash though! I'll challenge you to a physics battle any time, bring it on wang. We chip designers have quite a bit of physics background. Wow, you have designed the same CRAP for RX-7s for 6 years. Any jackass can claim to design parts for x number of years. But I don't see the name MAZDA stamped onto any of your products. I see the ametueur, homemade riduculous looking sorry excuse for an air intake "designed professionally by chuck wang himself". Ha ha. LMAO. Also, about getting dirt in the intake. Any moron with a hare of common sense knows it's not a wise idea to take off the air filter for ANY PERIOD OF TIME! I'm not cheap at all. I chose to spend my money wisely. Any your products are not a wise choice! Computer engineer, jackass, not computer salesman. Big difference. Kind of like you. There's competent mechanical engineers and then there's you - incompetent maggot with a chemistry book who thinks he's the next Dale Earnhardt Jr. |
sorry chuck...Huang...
this guy is a dick and should go away. Lets all ignore this guy. i love my intake and recommend it to anyone. ILL REPEAT FOR ALL INTERESTED...MY INTAKE WORKS PERFECT WITH NO HESIATION SINCE I CORRECTED MY POOR INSTALLATION. Instead of posting this thread, i should have called you first to consult you about how i installed it. thanks chuck. |
Are you two guys done yet??
Just a couple of general questions about intakes. So why do some companies say ram intake or just intake and others call theirs a cold air intake?? And which is the quietest(is that a word?) other than stock?? I've heard the K&N and that suckers annoyingly loud. |
Ok folks, that's enough of this. breezy_rx8, if you feel the need to continue this "discussion" with Mr. Huang, you can TAKE IT UP IN PRIVATE. Trading insults does no one any good. Thread Closed.
Casual, please ask your questions in this thread which is all about intakes. Thanks. |
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