Please Make Sticky - Appeal to Racing Beat for ECU Tuning / Piggyback
 

*Rotary God, please make this sticky*

I wanted to start a thread to appeal to forum members to contact Racing Beat and request them fast track some form of ECU flash/ ECU piggyback device. It seems that so many of our issues, from HP, mileage, idle vibration, NA and FI tuning, could all be solved if they could some how unlock or allow us to alter the A/F and timing maps.

The trouble is, I don’t think they’d heard it from enough people. They obviously basis there work and projects on demand, and I think if enough of us appealed to them to really focus on this we could get something before year end.

We certainly don’t want to annoy Racing Beat with this campaign. Racing Beat has always been good about listening to our ideas and concerns, so I think this could make a difference. We have to prove to them that this is something that they can make money on, even if the HP gains are minimal.

The following is Racing Beat’s contact info, email address, and a short email template you can use to speed the process up.

Phone: 714-779-8677
Email: jlanger@racingbeat.com



I am a member of rx8club.com and I wanted to express my interest in Racing Beat developing a ECU flash / ECU piggyback unit for the RX8. While I realize that the horsepower gains would likely be very moderate, the ability to modify the ECU A/F and timing tables throughout the RPM band would make tuning the car much easier. In addition, there would likely also be the potential for gas mileage improvements. It appears that the ECU has been the holdup in many aftermarket forced induction kits, and the only current simple remedies (Emanage) are not totally sufficient. Thank you for your efforts to make the RX8 such an enjoyable car to drive.

Regards,

Your Name Here

That's a good idea, but I think they have one in the works already. But if this could speed it up or even give them ideas for different features and whatnot that would be great. I got class now but I'll send an email a bit later. Good idea Brillo! :D

Isn't this what the Emanage and Canzoomer do? What could RB do better?

change the maps in the pcm - no piggy back trickery but actual tuning of your car

I dont know what good it will do, but Ill send one off.

Racing Beat- This would be a mod I would buy the second it came out.

I'd be willing to put a deposit down on it.

message sent

racingbeat has already released in rotarytuner why they havent released a ecu piggy back yet , and it was because they didnt find a significant difference in NA applications to warrant releasing this product i believe. If im wrong, you can correct me but yah..

plus i dont think rotary god is an admin here....

Yes I am! -RG

Msg. sent.....

good deal, thanks guys. I don't want them to think this is spam, but I think a concerted effort to show our interest will go along way. Racing Beat has got most of their other mods for our car out or nearly finished, intake, exhaust, suspension, shocks, flywheel, etc..... so I hope they have capacity to work on this now.

To really take our cars to the next level, this element is key.

And don't forget us AT owners, we desperately need some ooompf.

I'm pretty sure any ECU mods would work for you guys as well with a little tweeking by Racing Beat.

when did rotary god become a admin , Dam i wanted to be one anyways i emailed them too.

Just got a reply from Jim on the ECU interest here's what they had to say:

QUOTE:

"Jim Mederer, Racing Beat's co-founder and chief engineer, has been working on the ECU project for several months. We initially faced the challenge of just accessing the programming and data information on the ECU, and then we needed to find a way to reflash the ECU with any changes that were made. Since this was our first real venture into this very complex subject, we were learning as we progressed.

Over the past several months, we have been able to view and change the critical data with regards to timing, mixture, etc... we have run many different data programs on the engine dyno, but as we have stated, these changes have only revealed minor HP changes. It is probably unlikely that we will stumble onto something that will unlock some huge 10-20 HP increase, but more likely we can make a more few minor improvements.

Many people are inquiring about improved fuel economy. Since our primary objective has been to find MORE power, we haven't concentrated on improving fuel economy.

We are currently working on a project to retune the stock ECU to function with a specific aftermarket turbo application. This is not a kit that we are considering offering, but a R&D project that we have been asked to conduct for a third party. Ah, you might be thinking, "Will you offer a turbo ECU reflash for MY aftermarket turbo kit?" Since every turbo application tends to be different, offering a "generic" reflash for a turbo application may not be appropriate for your exact application. "




Best regards,

Jim Langer
Racing Beat, Inc.
714-779-8677
www.racingbeat.com

The key is that I never asked to be one. They asked me.

Please don't comment on this...just let me dream a li'l bit here! :cool:

ooh now thats good news :)

Of all people, how are you surprised to hear that?

im just saying its good news. i didnt say i was surprised. its good for everyone to hear that there is a FI kit in the works that will use pcm tuning rather than a piggyback:D:)

i think we can get more i cant believe the cant even get 15 hp and canzzomer got 40 hp

;) Its all marketing....

Canzoomer's biggest gains were with the original tuning of the factory ecu when the car was first released. As newer and newer flashes came out, the advantage went down.

If THATS THE CASE




CANZOMER 2 UP TO 100 HP CAONTACT ME FOR FOR INFO :p :D 800.00 BUY IT NOW!!!

With custom ecu on canzoomer a friend of mine has come up with only 12whp at the moment and he believes he can go to 20whp...But not 40hp at tthe crank as cz says..Its impossible here with the very hot temps....With 20whp i believe we are good....

I really trust rb though and i believe they will make a way through this and we will be able for some more hps...

Also remember that Canzoomer could get more power but at the total disregard for long term cat life. Racing Beat will not make this sacrifice.

Well with cz midp-4,rb revi-greddy sp2 and some transmittion mods like ms clutch disc+cover+clutch hose+rp short shifter+ms flywheel,i believe i have a good basis for that number of whp with cz...but i don't really know if i should buy cz full package or wait some time more for something better...Now the only thing i wait is the ram air from rb this summer which will stick nice with the revi and maybe in chrismas ms radiator just because it can't get out of my mind..!! :D

If I were you I'd wait on the CZ unit only because I don't think Mazda has gotten the ECU totally correct yet. Give them another couple of flashes and they'll be done with it.

Also you never know who will pop up out of left field with a piggyback or standalone this summer.

when did RG become a moderator? i dont remember this... sorry :D

About a week ago.

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I'd like to see a true source development kit for the base hardware of the ECU, and also the source for the programs that Mazda/Ford have written over the top of the Hitachi OS (at least that's how I understand it?).

I think what people are missing is that in this car, the ECU has potential for more than just power gains. Its also controlling the TCS/DSC and ABS. It also controls the actuation of the throttlebody. There's alot more to tuning the car than just one A/F map. There are maps for several different conditions, along with maps relating throttle pedal position to throttlebody position.

In the new Corvette, its said that the traction control on its most aggressive setting was faster for a pro driver than with the system disengaged. We all know that traction control, properly tuned, can be faster than without. Just look at F1.

And don't forget that the ECU also controls activation of the solenoids in the intake, and for the secondary and aux ports. I think there is a TON of potential in this engine, and I think it will make close to 280-290 e-shaft hp in stock trim with different ECU programming.

The bad with the 8 is that you must wait a lot to see the stock number of hp...And many of us can't wait to reach 20000km to open the renesis and we spend alot on tuning...

A friend of mine with rmagic sport cat+trust titanium catback+ms clutches+ms fly+nology plugs+n flash, reached 180whp on the dyno and the bad thing is that a stock guy in the same dyno pulled out 181whp....Also the stock guy had 4000km and the modded 8 had 25000km...The dyno thing is very tricky....A..don't forget both 8s were the euro high-powered with 231hp at the crank(mazda numbers...)Also in another dyno the modded 8 in the begging,without a mod,pulled out 182whp...

Why am i writing this...??I would like to see the stock numbers with an ecu..And with my mods(ms fly+clutces+revi+greddy sp2+canzoomer midp-4)if we think the 231 basis is right,i shouls see 260at the crank for sure...But i ll probably see 230at the crank...so far i have 17000km...Just a pitty...

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the cz works good enough for me...

The key here is to replace the cat... that's why Mazda detuned the engine in the first place.

I understand that but Racing Beat will not alter the program to the extent that you can with a Canzoomer if it can potentially hurt the cat. They are only concerned with legal power. Not everyone else is though.

well I think it's more than that, I kind of look at them in the same light as Dinan with BMW

they are tied in with them in so many other ways that they don't want to rock the boat by getting aggressive with the software, somebody else will get there eventually though, it's just a matter of time, I saw the checksum data already available over in europe, those guys over there spend all their time doing nothing else but cracking that information