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Old 02-15-2013, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by RXeligion
This is the most informative "So, I'm a newb" thread in history

Two quick points:
I can't see a point in relocating your battery to the trunk, if you're planning to stay NA. Otherwise you're making room for while throwing off your weight distribution. Leave that stuff for the FI guys.

Also, "stiffer" is not necessarily better... outside of a bedroom. Read up about suspensions before you jump into coilovers. Cool points? Sure, but they won't necessarily make you faster.

Someone suggested springs instead (+1)

Well I had heard that freeing up the space in the engine bay reduced under hood temps which i read was a big issue in the rx8. Thank you for the tip.

And i completely understand about the coilovers. i have had 4 different performance based cars and all 4 have had different suspension setups from springs to springs/struts to full coilovers and i prefer coilovers more for the adjust-ability. I certainly do not think they will "make me faster". thank you for the advice though!

I may be a noob in the rx8 world but in the automotive world in general im fairly educated. I have been in the automotive design industry since I was 16 so about 14 years now I get to play with math data from car manufacturers of car parts well before the public even gets to hear about them. Just not the rx8 or any of its parts unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by RXeligion
I can't see a point in relocating your battery to the trunk, if you're planning to stay NA. Otherwise you're making room for while throwing off your weight distribution.
Have you considered the "thrown off" distribution created by the driver's weight. I can see where you are going with the lack of reward for a simple battery relocation, but to claim it would throw off the weight distribution is just wrong.
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Looks like you got a good direction and it's nice to see you've done your homework. As far as the things you guys are talking about such as choice of oil, you arent tracking this car so these are very minor details, you will doubtfully notice much difference if any at all by your choice between the three mentioned for your application.

You're gonna enjoy owning the 8 though man.... just wait till the mod bug bites you real good!
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^By throw if "Off" I don't mean "out the window." However, taking 35-40 lbs from ahead of the front axle and relocating it to behind the rear (over the rear for best case scenario) is going to change the way the car feels. If you throw about 80 lbs of rock salt in your trunk and take it around the block, you'll see what I mean.

The difference between a battery location and a change in the weight created by a driver is that a driver is centered almost perfectly between the axles, which makes driver's weight more forgivable in terms of suspension geometry.

But, since the OP is race-trim savvy and intends to use coilovers, he should have no problem corner balancing the car to correct a CG issue, and he could even account for his own weight in the driver's seat. I didn't know of his skill level when I made my previous post.

OP, I consider myself a newb, too, so I use the term fraternally. I don't know everything about anything... I just spend a lot of time reading.
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Originally Posted by RotaryMachineRx
As far as the things you guys are talking about such as choice of oil, you arent tracking this car so these are very minor details, you will doubtfully notice much difference if any at all by your choice between the three mentioned for your application.
On the track or off your oil selection can directly affect the longevity of your engine.

The heat cycling caused by driving the car in rush hour traffic is very hard on the oil.
Old 02-15-2013, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryMachineRx
Looks like you got a good direction and it's nice to see you've done your homework. As far as the things you guys are talking about such as choice of oil, you arent tracking this car so these are very minor details, you will doubtfully notice much difference if any at all by your choice between the three mentioned for your application.

You're gonna enjoy owning the 8 though man.... just wait till the mod bug bites you real good!
Thank you. Being a car enthusiast and having done a few builds including a complete car build, I have an idea of what im looking for in my cars. I always try to do my homework and research and shut up and learn from the people that know. Every platform has its hurdles and ups/downs its knowing how and why that really allows you to make the car yours and truly understand it. Im looking forward to getting there with this platform.

Originally Posted by RXeligion
^By throw if "Off" I don't mean "out the window." However, taking 35-40 lbs from ahead of the front axle and relocating it to behind the rear (over the rear for best case scenario) is going to change the way the car feels. If you throw about 80 lbs of rock salt in your trunk and take it around the block, you'll see what I mean.

The difference between a battery location and a change in the weight created by a driver is that a driver is centered almost perfectly between the axles, which makes driver's weight more forgivable in terms of suspension geometry.

But, since the OP is race-trim savvy and intends to use coilovers, he should have no problem corner balancing the car to correct a CG issue, and he could even account for his own weight in the driver's seat. I didn't know of his skill level when I made my previous post.

OP, I consider myself a newb, too, so I use the term fraternally. I don't know everything about anything... I just spend a lot of time reading.
Yea it was mainly for cooling purposes and simplifying the engine bay. I have relocated the batteries in every one of my past cars for this reason. corner weighting will eventually come for the car once i decide that its ready for tracking. And I completely agree about being a newb lol its just one of those things, there is so much to know and so much to learn. Its why i enjoy martial arts so much. Its a never ending quest to know more.

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On the track or off your oil selection can directly affect the longevity of your engine.

The heat cycling caused by driving the car in rush hour traffic is very hard on the oil.
Agreed and this is why im being so critical. Especially since im taking the time to research it so much.


I really appreciate everyone's comments! They are helping me form a better, more solid plan for when i purchase my 8. I have my used car check list ready to go and I should be able to purchase the 8 as soon as my ms6 part out is complete. Im going to love this car HARD lol
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Originally Posted by paimon.soror
You dont really want royal purple in your engine either unless you like to pay for overpriced crap

I used RP MT fluid once for about 200 miles when I first bought the car. A couple people said they used it and it was fine. I heard all sorts of clunks and when I swapped it out for eneos you should have seen the drain screw. So many metal shavings... Dont RP your tranny, it won't thank you.
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^ Eneos ftw.
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Originally Posted by RXeligion
^By throw if "Off" I don't mean "out the window." However, taking 35-40 lbs from ahead of the front axle and relocating it to behind the rear (over the rear for best case scenario) is going to change the way the car feels. If you throw about 80 lbs of rock salt in your trunk and take it around the block, you'll see what I mean.

The difference between a battery location and a change in the weight created by a driver is that a driver is centered almost perfectly between the axles, which makes driver's weight more forgivable in terms of suspension geometry.

But, since the OP is race-trim savvy and intends to use coilovers, he should have no problem corner balancing the car to correct a CG issue, and he could even account for his own weight in the driver's seat. I didn't know of his skill level when I made my previous post.

OP, I consider myself a newb, too, so I use the term fraternally. I don't know everything about anything... I just spend a lot of time reading.
You have still mutch to learn about suspensions and weight distribution.
Old 02-20-2013, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fastlaneracing
You have still mutch to learn about suspensions and weight distribution.
You caught that part, did you?

If something I've said is "May God have mercy on your soul" wrong, then you should feel free to correct it if you are a wealth of suspension knowledge. I don't see any gross conceptual errors in what I wrote. As far as I know it's all correct; your post just makes me feel less certain about it...
Old 02-26-2013, 10:41 AM
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Sold a few more items from my speed6 part out!!! Getting dangerously close to getting the rx8!
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Originally Posted by paimon.soror


Amsoil is better imo, but both are good.
This is very true. I used Amsoil in both tranny as well as diff. 20K miles and still rocking. Much better than that RP crap ****.

Originally Posted by paimon.soror

All are trash. Get yourself some OEM FL22 coolant, that is all you need.
Also true, when I opened my 65K miles original engine, there was not even the slightest hint of corrosion nowhere, very very good stuff. Every other 50/50 coolant used on other engines still developed whitish corrosion and the radiator still rusted on top core from own experience.
Old 03-27-2013, 08:39 AM
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looks like the rx8 will be mine sooner then later!!!! Just was approved for my loan and my part out on the ms6 is complete. I have modified my mods list a few times but my funds are ready. Time to find the perfect 06 under 100,000 miles and start buying up some used parts!
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Congrats and good luck.
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thank you! 1 question to anyone willing to help.... if i make sure that I go through the rx8 checklist and everything checks out plus a compression test, is it safe to buy a rx8 over 100,000 miles. I know thats a broad question but technically speaking if everything looks good and the compression is golden then I have a gem and over 100,000 shouldnt really matter in the case of the engine, correct?
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simple answer is yes, you are ok from a compression and seal check. that doesn't take into account many other factors such as ignition heath, cat health, trans health...etc
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Originally Posted by JCrane82
simple answer is yes, you are ok from a compression and seal check. that doesn't take into account many other factors such as ignition heath, cat health, trans health...etc
excellent thank you.... yea i will be replacing the cat, and the ignition system (well at least the coils with BHR) and will be feeling the transmission out to make sure everything is in order. I have rebuilt a few so if that ends up being the case then Ill tackle it .
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Finally, someone doing some good amount of research and not expecting spoon feeding.
MS6 is a great car BTW used to own one, but AWD isn't as much fun glad to hear your headed into a good direction.

Now to find that good 8 out there for you , don't rush it I looked at a dozen different ones over 6 months before I got mine.

Goodluck
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Originally Posted by Carbon8
Finally, someone doing some good amount of research and not expecting spoon feeding.
MS6 is a great car BTW used to own one, but AWD isn't as much fun glad to hear your headed into a good direction.

Now to find that good 8 out there for you , don't rush it I looked at a dozen different ones over 6 months before I got mine.

Goodluck
thank you i appreciate the vote of confidence. I have a few im looking at and although its been difficult i have actually been watching them go out of warranty and up for sale for the last 2 years lol. But now im looking with a new goal and thats to finally BUY! My guide lines may be more particular and sparse then others but I love a challenge. Looking for a base model, no upgrades needed, no spoiler prefered, 06 and up, black, dark grey, red, (light silver maybe), standard trans, cloth or leather, no red/black interior, original motor<100000 miles, new motor<30,000 miles, price<9000, all recalls, good carfax etc.

Thank you for your advice I look forward finding the right rx8. Car buying is a passion for sure I just rarely get to follow through the process Plus i havent had a car this fun since the s2k!
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