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mikes rx 11-28-2012 04:47 PM

ignition coils
 
which coil setups are better the lsi coils or the bhr coils

mikes rx 11-28-2012 07:02 PM

bhr coils
 
Charles are you running any specials on coil setups

dannobre 11-28-2012 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 4389027)
YouTube

This 18-minute video compares the "LS-1", "LS-2", and "D-585/'Yukon'" coils. The D-585s are the coil featured in the BHR Ignition System.


Link didn't seem to work??


Brettus 11-28-2012 07:09 PM

Brettspeed coils are the best - check it out !

https://www.rx8club.com/aftermarket-...9/#post4387168

WingleBeast 11-28-2012 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by mikes rx (Post 4389051)
Charles are you running any specials on coil setups

Why? Is a good product that thousands of people paid full price for and have no complaints not a good enough deal for you? Why don't you ask him how to build his coils and just the harness so you can save some cash and build them yourself.

xexok 11-28-2012 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by WingleBeast (Post 4389067)
Why? Is a good product that thousands of people paid full price for and have no complaints not a good enough deal for you? Why don't you ask him how to build his coils and just the harness so you can save some cash and build them yourself.

He doesn't need to there is a DIY already.

WingleBeast 11-28-2012 08:26 PM

my point was how many people come asking for handouts and discounts. Why? why should CRH just cut one dude some slack? cause he asked nicely? He is making a living. People bug vendors everyday on how to DIY on their stuff instead of buying it

xexok 11-28-2012 08:34 PM

I knew what your point was. I never said he should get a discount but on the other hand there is never any harm in asking.

Brettus 11-29-2012 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by xexok (Post 4389089)
I knew what your point was. I never said he should get a discount but on the other hand there is never any harm in asking.

Exactly - if you don't ask you don't get . Basic fundamental life skill !

Mr_Pieper 11-29-2012 01:35 PM

Then I want some free mystery BHR engine mounts for week-after-Thanksgiving-day-of-sales-for-me.

Grace_Excel 11-29-2012 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by Mr_Pieper (Post 4389435)
Then I want some free mystery BHR engine mounts for week-after-Thanksgiving-day-of-sales-for-me.

Well, you can't really ask and expect to always get it free-of-charge, even with all the hoopla during the Black Friday it seems far-fetched that your request will probably happen. But thanks for asking on behalf of most members in this forum.

mikes rx 11-29-2012 04:54 PM

bhr coils
 
I didnt know i as asking for a handout i was going to buy them any how i just asked . Thanks any how

thewird 12-05-2012 01:23 AM

AEM smart coils are superior to both those coils. Only downside is you need to change your plug wires. But you can get a DIY kit for like $80 from MSD for a V8 so you end up with 2 pairs of wires.

thewird

thewird 12-23-2012 09:59 AM

You can get coils AND 2 pairs of DIY ignition wires for $370 retail. Wiring is fairly easy and so is mounting using local hardware pieces. The LS2 truck coil is definitely inferior. Will it matter on an N/A? obviously not. Will it matter if you want to push a lot of boost? definitely yet.

Not trying to hit on your product. Its definitely a good easy bolt-on solution. However, like anything there are always better options.

thewird

GK1707 12-23-2012 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4389053)
Brettspeed coils are the best - check it out !

https://www.rx8club.com/aftermarket-...9/#post4387168



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thewird 12-23-2012 12:40 PM

Your D-585 coil is referred to as LS2 truck coils by most of the aftermarket community. The D-585 auto-discharges and starts to misfire before IGN-1A coils. Therefore inferior coil, quite simple.

Again, not downplaying your product which you seem quite defensive about. It works fine for most applications here. But the AEM coil is superior.

thewird

TeamRX8 12-23-2012 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 4391919)
When one considers the total expense of a DIY kit using the AEM/Mercury coils, and the fact that fitment is not so swell, the BHR Ignition System is the all-around best choice. That is in addition to the as of yet unproven claim of electrical performance being "superior" with the AEM/Mercury coils.

If I truly believed the AEM coils were all that and a bag of chips, I would have made the switch and redesigned my ignition system from top to bottom.

they fit fine and use regular plug wire connections, a big minus on the GM coil and it's special connector IMO

paimon.soror 12-23-2012 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 4399344)
BHR does not use "LS-2" coils. The superior "D-585" coil is used but I am not surprised by your failing to understand the difference. Where, and by whom, has it been demonstrated that the Mercury/AEM "Smart Coil" emits more voltage/current and that it's alleged performance is worthy to pursue, given all the variables?

I believe there area few threads over on RotaryCarClub.com regarding the ign-1a coils and their benefits compared to the d585's. I actually met with and had a pretty interesting discussion with TitaniumTT who has done a few tests on these coils and the D585's.

I need your old fucntioning stock coils

Now again, the basis of the entire discussion was the fact that the S2 owners cannot toy with dwell settings, and the ign-1a coils have a better oem dwell.

I do plan on ordering a set of these coils and actually giving them a shot for myself and seeing how a few months compare to running D585's. Unfortunately there is too much mud slinging on these forums and not nearly as much qualitative data as one would like.

paimon.soror 12-23-2012 10:52 PM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 4399436)
1) The vast majority of my customers do not alter their dwell settings and they still report improvements from using the BHR Ignition System.

I hear that. Been using a diy d585 solution with no ill effects.
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2) The Mercury coils are larger than the 585s, so fitment in the OEM location will be a tough challenge at best, and my customers seem to appreciate not needing to relocate their coils to make an upgrade.
Totally agree, i wasn't mentioning it as a marketable solution for the exact reasons you mentioned


3) In looking at the stated specs on the Merc/AEM coils I am not sure their output will actually be much different than the 585s. Plus, their 40% max duty cycle has me concerned.
Right, i think the only 'benefit' is the lower OEM dwell time, which again, only will be fully seen by those with forced induction


4) How much more current than 120 mA and more voltage than 48K-plus does any RX-8 need?
That's the data that I was hoping there was more of.


When the AEM/Merc coils were first presented by TeamRX8 I bought one, examined it, and thought long about using them in the BHR Ignition System. Given that my concerns are vastly different than the typical DIY type, I decided to stay with the 585s. Hopefully, the Merc coils will perform well enough for those who wish to use them.
That is basically where I am. Of course, there is nothing really that is saying to me that the d585 coils aren't good enough for an S2. Start ups are great, idles are great, entire rpm band is great. But after these coils were mentioned, I have always been curious as to what differences/benefits (if any) they present.

ShinkaEvo 12-23-2012 10:59 PM

Op, if you wanna save money, some auto stores have OE coils on lifetime warranty.
Cost about 100 per set.

polarbear610 11-23-2013 01:09 PM

I have a 2003 rx8 and whenever i out a new set of ignition coils into it after a few starts i get a CEL.after i clear the light using using my scanner it just comes back after a few starts again.ive used both after market coils and genuine coils but have the same problem still.once i place the coils that came with the car back i the CEL then turns off and the problem stops.except with the old coils the miss fire comes back.....anyone got any ideas?

dannobre 11-23-2013 01:23 PM

What is the CEL code :)?

polarbear610 11-23-2013 03:49 PM

Theres 5.po403 c1303 c1404 c1200 and c1103.

nycgps 11-23-2013 05:24 PM

U mentioned 2003,is ur 8 a jdm model?

polarbear610 11-23-2013 07:29 PM

Yeah.its in new zealand now.i saw someone else post something about this problem once but cant find the thread etc anymore.finding info on this is proving to be pretty hard


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