Originally Posted by shawnm565
(Post 4866068)
Since I can adjust cranking timing, Cranking fueling, post crank enrichment, and Prime gain (its the first shot of fuel when the cranking is initiated) I dont have any worries getting the car to start on the fist crank. Ill take some videos when I find the time to work on it. :)
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Any update on this. I also want to change over to at least e30-50 for cooling. And to see how much the stock system can take. I’m coming from the focus rs world and I’m running flex fuel on my rs and it is great even blending it is now more hassle than half the things we do as car nuts. Seems since I’m tuning it already might as well see what higher oct will do and keep things cool and clean.
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Originally Posted by Snox801
(Post 4923394)
Any update on this. I also want to change over to at least e30-50 for cooling. And to see how much the stock system can take. I’m coming from the focus rs world and I’m running flex fuel on my rs and it is great even blending it is now more hassle than half the things we do as car nuts. Seems since I’m tuning it already might as well see what higher oct will do and keep things cool and clean.
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Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4923400)
Been running between e30 and e50 for a couple of years now on my turbo Renesis ... I love it ! But never really noticed any cooling improvement from using it . I know the stock system on stock engine can't handle E85 ...but only just . So I'm pretty sure you'd be fine with E50 as far as capacity goes.
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my street port motor ran on dyno fine with S2 pump and stock injectors. although for track, i do run a detuned map with cut throttle for the class. coolant doesnt get above 220. and the rotors look very clean when the motor was pulled and rebuilt.
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Originally Posted by trackjunkie
(Post 4923406)
my street port motor ran on dyno fine with S2 pump and stock injectors. although for track, i do run a detuned map with cut throttle for the class. coolant doesnt get above 220. and the rotors look very clean when the motor was pulled and rebuilt.
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E85 update
Wanted to bump this thread to see how those motors hold up after a few years of E60-E85 usage? Can users with experience share their feedback? I want to run E40-E50 for track use with slightly bumped timing for power and cooler , cleaner runing engine. Plan is to use a flex-fuel system.
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Originally Posted by Slawekn1
(Post 4966822)
Wanted to bump this thread to see how those motors hold up after a few years of E60-E85 usage? Can users with experience share their feedback? I want to run E40-E50 for track use with slightly bumped timing for power and cooler , cleaner runing engine. Plan is to use a flex-fuel system.
Because of that I decided to take a different tack on the engine I put in . Which was to bump up the omp output (mechanically) plus run premix ratio calculated only on the ethanol content .... |
Brettus
Thank you for sharing your experience. Was this a street or track engine? Would you remember how many total miles on e50 it had before being taken apart? |
The only way it can get into the intake is due to exhaust reversion, which is generally always due to rotor seal/blowby issues. That’s why and how the intake and valves get gunked up on a Renesis.
Was this the turbo or the experimental small PP motor? . |
This was on my stock ported turbo engine, which had no blowby issues.
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Every Renesis engine does to some degree, it’s just the magnitude. However, not just blow-by, but also some inherent EGR reversion of the exhaust gasses that carry over into the intake side as well. Otherwise with the injectors positioned at and into the housing port openings how do you explain the gunk getting up into the intake, even up to the SSV valve? Which again happens on every Renesis and again the magnitude of which is determined by the significance of the blow-by since there is no intake/exhaust port overlap like all of the previous 13B engines.
Otherwise it can be predicted that pretty much any time I say “black” that you will then say “white”. :suspect: . |
I just reported what I found, you can either believe me ..............................or not. Your choice.
I don't really have a good theory on it. I just know that every Renesis intake I ever saw had gunk in it to varying degrees, but this one was worse and over a shorter time/mileage period. Which led me to believe it was something to do with the premix and or ethanol. |
Originally Posted by Slawekn1
(Post 4966832)
Brettus
Thank you for sharing your experience. Was this a street or track engine? Would you remember how many total miles on e50 it had before being taken apart? Forgot to mention : I also found that the oil level would increase over time and I have reason to believe it was premix oil rather than ethanol doing that. Although........ I've seen high performance rotary engines running E85 after a short period with oil that obviously was full of alcohol :dunno: |
Originally Posted by Slawekn1
(Post 4966822)
Wanted to bump this thread to see how those motors hold up after a few years of E60-E85 usage? Can users with experience share their feedback? I want to run E40-E50 for track use with slightly bumped timing for power and cooler , cleaner runing engine. Plan is to use a flex-fuel system.
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the standard Redline 2-stroke oil (premix) is good up to E-50 per their literature, then they recommend their alcohol 2-stroke oil for higher alcohol content
alcohol in the sump oil is again … a result of blow-by. It shows itself more readily with alcohol due to greater solvent effect it has over gasoline. In the end it can only go one of two places, into the atmosphere or back around into the intake via PCV. . |
so i did a little experiment a while ago. i put e85 in a glass jar with 4 different type of pre mix. Pennzoil XLF and Idemitsu (what i use in SOHN reservoir) started to separate after an hour or so. Red Line synthetic 2 stroke oil and Klotz didn't separate after two weeks.
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Originally Posted by trackjunkie
(Post 4967183)
so i did a little experiment a while ago. i put e85 in a glass jar with 4 different type of pre mix. Pennzoil XLF and Idemitsu (what i use in SOHN reservoir) started to separate after an hour or so. Red Line synthetic 2 stroke oil and Klotz didn't separate after two weeks.
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Originally Posted by Fickert
(Post 4967185)
What fuel pump you using? Can stock injectors handle this? I am also using Klotz in my Sohn adapter and 0.5oz per gallon premixing.
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I also did saber in glass jar with e85 never separated after a month so it mixes and stays mixed.
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I had a similar experience with Amsoil Sabre Pro. Back then I could have sworn there was a bulletin stating they didn’t recommend it for over 15% ethanol and so I was always a bit nervous. However, I can’t find anything on it now. What I always liked about it was how clean it burns.
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@trackjunkie Thats pretty promising with the news of e85 on your motor. It may be worth a shot on my next fillup.
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E85 Requires* the following on any combustion engine, not just rotaries. (*I saw requires, meaning that if you want a properly tuned engine, that is optimally functioning, fuel economy, power, emissions etc)
1) E85 requires more fuel, a lot more fuel. This is especially true on boosted engines. Expect to use 25% to 100% more fuel on E85. You will need larger injectors, sized for your power targets 2) Fuel pump upgrade required for flow levels past the stock capability. on an RX8, the stock pump should handle any N/A 2 rotor E85 needs. But add boost and you will need a fuel pump or two depending on how much boost. 3) You need both fuel and ignition tuning to run E85 correctly, E85 burns slower than gas and has lower energy per unit volume. You need to adjust ignition timing and fuel maps to properly run E85. Stand alone, or Cobb accessport required. 4) Flex fuel needs a sensor to monitor the balance between E85 and gas. This also requires a standalone to handle the map changes based on E85 content. 5) E85 burns cooler and is knock resilient which is why it is great for high boost setups. You can make 50-100% more power on E85 than pump gas on boosted applications assuming your internals can handle the power. 6) Because there is so much more fuel used, E85 will spool turbos faster than gasoline. Don't bother running E85 unless you are going for power. It is terrible on fuel consumption and has no significant benefit performance wise unless you are using it for boosted applications. |
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