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07-17-2011, 03:57 PM
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Unofficial 2011 Packwood Tour results, looks like a tight battle
2011 Packwood National Tour
July 16-17, 2011
**** UNOFFICIAL RESULTS (INFORMATIONAL ONLY) ****
Class standings for STX [17 Cars] (7/17/2011 1:31:46 PM)
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T 1 89 Shaikh Ahmad 2004 Mazda RX-8 N/A
52.985 51.674 52.038 102.644
57.113(1) 51.533 50.970
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T 2 188 Joe Goeke 2004 Mazda Rx8 Black Hankook
52.317 52.199 51.752 102.792
DNF 51.040 51.577 (0.148)
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T 3 189 George Hudetz 2004 Mazda RX-8 N/A
52.258 51.881 53.883(1) 103.079
52.562 51.379 51.198 (0.287)
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T 4 198 Chris Conant 1988 BMW M3 Redish Toyo
DNF 52.260 54.800(1) 103.236
53.428 50.976 51.194 (0.157)
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T 5 180 Jason Morrow 2002 Subaru WRX Silver Dunlop
54.230(1) 52.770 52.610 103.884
53.585 51.274 51.351 (0.648)
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6 163 Denny LaPlante 2004 Infiniti G35 Black Hankook
53.269 53.235 52.586 105.004
53.660 58.155 52.418 (1.120)
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7 150 Trever McDermott 1990 Honda Civic Si Fli Toyo
53.166 53.759 53.097 105.056
DNF 51.959 53.179 (0.052)
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8 88 Mike Duncan 2004 Mazda RX8 Black Hankook
54.040 54.052 54.043 106.006
59.959 53.647 51.966 (0.950)
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9 50 Brent Glad 1990 Honda Civic Si Bla Toyo
56.482(1) 53.539 53.636 106.881
55.138 53.342 53.371 (0.875)
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10 35 Matthew Zyskowsk 2005 Infiniti G35 6MT S Yokoham
55.235 54.235 54.573 107.559
58.992 53.545 53.324 (0.678)
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11 187 Dean Chen 2004 Mazda RX-8 Silver N/A
57.137(1) 54.094 DNF 107.727
54.155 53.633 56.849(2) (0.168)
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12 73 Stuart Taylor 2004 Mazda RX-8 Silver Dunlop
55.903(1) 56.001(1) 56.339(1) 108.120
57.387(1) 53.127 52.217 (0.393)
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13 53 Keith Gover 2011 Mini Cooper JCW Bl Yokoham
58.260(1) 55.250 55.648 108.596
59.027 55.526 53.346 (0.476)
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14 80 Wayne Dyck 2002 Subaru WRX Silver Dunlop
55.469 55.193 55.261 108.859
59.594 54.848 53.666 (0.263)
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15 87 Louis Law 2004 Mazda RX-8 Sunligh N/A
57.916 56.591 56.343 109.949
60.326 59.274(2) 53.606 (1.090)
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16 63 Richard Johnson 2004 Infiniti GX35 Blac Hankook
57.520 56.515 55.814 112.671
61.936 56.857 60.909(2) (2.722)
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17 98 Ann M Conant 1988 BMW ///M3 Redish Toyo
58.679 58.233 56.764 113.851
58.671 57.087(1) 57.498(1) (1.180)
2011 Packwood National Tour
July 16-17, 2011
**** UNOFFICIAL RESULTS (INFORMATIONAL ONLY) ****
Class standings for STX [17 Cars] (7/17/2011 1:31:46 PM)
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T 1 89 Shaikh Ahmad 2004 Mazda RX-8 N/A
52.985 51.674 52.038 102.644
57.113(1) 51.533 50.970
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T 2 188 Joe Goeke 2004 Mazda Rx8 Black Hankook
52.317 52.199 51.752 102.792
DNF 51.040 51.577 (0.148)
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T 3 189 George Hudetz 2004 Mazda RX-8 N/A
52.258 51.881 53.883(1) 103.079
52.562 51.379 51.198 (0.287)
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T 4 198 Chris Conant 1988 BMW M3 Redish Toyo
DNF 52.260 54.800(1) 103.236
53.428 50.976 51.194 (0.157)
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T 5 180 Jason Morrow 2002 Subaru WRX Silver Dunlop
54.230(1) 52.770 52.610 103.884
53.585 51.274 51.351 (0.648)
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6 163 Denny LaPlante 2004 Infiniti G35 Black Hankook
53.269 53.235 52.586 105.004
53.660 58.155 52.418 (1.120)
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7 150 Trever McDermott 1990 Honda Civic Si Fli Toyo
53.166 53.759 53.097 105.056
DNF 51.959 53.179 (0.052)
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8 88 Mike Duncan 2004 Mazda RX8 Black Hankook
54.040 54.052 54.043 106.006
59.959 53.647 51.966 (0.950)
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9 50 Brent Glad 1990 Honda Civic Si Bla Toyo
56.482(1) 53.539 53.636 106.881
55.138 53.342 53.371 (0.875)
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10 35 Matthew Zyskowsk 2005 Infiniti G35 6MT S Yokoham
55.235 54.235 54.573 107.559
58.992 53.545 53.324 (0.678)
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11 187 Dean Chen 2004 Mazda RX-8 Silver N/A
57.137(1) 54.094 DNF 107.727
54.155 53.633 56.849(2) (0.168)
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12 73 Stuart Taylor 2004 Mazda RX-8 Silver Dunlop
55.903(1) 56.001(1) 56.339(1) 108.120
57.387(1) 53.127 52.217 (0.393)
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13 53 Keith Gover 2011 Mini Cooper JCW Bl Yokoham
58.260(1) 55.250 55.648 108.596
59.027 55.526 53.346 (0.476)
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14 80 Wayne Dyck 2002 Subaru WRX Silver Dunlop
55.469 55.193 55.261 108.859
59.594 54.848 53.666 (0.263)
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15 87 Louis Law 2004 Mazda RX-8 Sunligh N/A
57.916 56.591 56.343 109.949
60.326 59.274(2) 53.606 (1.090)
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16 63 Richard Johnson 2004 Infiniti GX35 Blac Hankook
57.520 56.515 55.814 112.671
61.936 56.857 60.909(2) (2.722)
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17 98 Ann M Conant 1988 BMW ///M3 Redish Toyo
58.679 58.233 56.764 113.851
58.671 57.087(1) 57.498(1) (1.180)
07-17-2011, 07:48 PM
#1954
Nice job to Joe in second in STX as well. Still at FTI Joe?
And because I know you guys won't mind, the only 8 in CS won as well.
2011 Packwood National Tour
July 16-17, 2011
**** UNOFFICIAL RESULTS (INFORMATIONAL ONLY) ****
Class standings for CS [10 Cars] (7/17/2011 2:45:14 PM)
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T 1 73 Brian Coulson 2007 Mazda Rx-8 Blue Hoosier
51.707 50.318 50.410 100.025
50.090 49.707 49.831
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T 2 199 Mitch Lewis 2007 Mazda MX-5 Red Hoosier
52.539(1) 52.878(1) 50.767 100.184
49.749 51.452(1) 49.417 (0.159)
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T 3 149 Chris Kannan 2007 Mazda MX-5 Silver Hoosier
54.369(1) 53.396(1) 51.621 101.334
50.956 50.258 49.713 (1.150)
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T 4 98 Glenn Austin 2005 Nissan 350Z Ultra Hoosier
56.945(2) 51.741 52.056 103.384
54.559(1) 54.078(1) 51.643 (2.050)
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And because I know you guys won't mind, the only 8 in CS won as well.
2011 Packwood National Tour
July 16-17, 2011
**** UNOFFICIAL RESULTS (INFORMATIONAL ONLY) ****
Class standings for CS [10 Cars] (7/17/2011 2:45:14 PM)
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T 1 73 Brian Coulson 2007 Mazda Rx-8 Blue Hoosier
51.707 50.318 50.410 100.025
50.090 49.707 49.831
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T 2 199 Mitch Lewis 2007 Mazda MX-5 Red Hoosier
52.539(1) 52.878(1) 50.767 100.184
49.749 51.452(1) 49.417 (0.159)
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T 3 149 Chris Kannan 2007 Mazda MX-5 Silver Hoosier
54.369(1) 53.396(1) 51.621 101.334
50.956 50.258 49.713 (1.150)
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T 4 98 Glenn Austin 2005 Nissan 350Z Ultra Hoosier
56.945(2) 51.741 52.056 103.384
54.559(1) 54.078(1) 51.643 (2.050)
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07-18-2011, 09:12 AM
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Anyone else running without a rear swaybar? I just tried it for the first time last event and have decided that rear swaybar is STAYING off the car. I know Mike liked it (topgear) but anyone else? I was really surprised at the difference.
07-18-2011, 09:59 AM
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Packwood was a tight race for the top spots. It was a very sweeper-intensive course which was very fun to drive.
This was the first event all season where my car was working reasonably well, and I was happy to have my co-driver take the win, and for me to take thrid, so close to Joe & Shaikh. Well, kind of happy.
Conditions well all over the place over the two days, but STX was lucky to race in dry/drying conditions on Sat/Sun.
As for running without a rear bar, I've been doing that for two years now, but I'm about to put one back on. Without the rear bar, my car puts down power extremely well right now (helped by the FatCats for sure) but I'm going to experiment a bit with alignment settings that will require additional rear roll stiffness, and the quickest way to do that is to bolt a rear bar on, so...
This was the first event all season where my car was working reasonably well, and I was happy to have my co-driver take the win, and for me to take thrid, so close to Joe & Shaikh. Well, kind of happy.
Conditions well all over the place over the two days, but STX was lucky to race in dry/drying conditions on Sat/Sun.
As for running without a rear bar, I've been doing that for two years now, but I'm about to put one back on. Without the rear bar, my car puts down power extremely well right now (helped by the FatCats for sure) but I'm going to experiment a bit with alignment settings that will require additional rear roll stiffness, and the quickest way to do that is to bolt a rear bar on, so...
07-18-2011, 10:08 AM
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Guys without rear sway bars, are you using a bigger front bar? Or just stock up front?
My "partner in crime" around here with a pretty similarly-prepped car has a big front bar and no rear bar, compared to my stock bars front and rear. I like driving both setups but I'm always open to try new things.
Both of us are on KW V3's with OTS rates.
My "partner in crime" around here with a pretty similarly-prepped car has a big front bar and no rear bar, compared to my stock bars front and rear. I like driving both setups but I'm always open to try new things.
Both of us are on KW V3's with OTS rates.
07-18-2011, 10:46 AM
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Well, it's all about roll rates and roll couple.
If you have a well balanced car and detach the rear sway, the car is going to push and you have to compensate somehow (most commonly by increasing the rear spring rate). If you detach the rear bar and simultaneously add a big front bar, it's going to push even more.
I've never run a big front bar - the biggest I've used is a Whiteline, which is about 70% stiffer than stock. I'm running the stock front bar right now, but that's more due to circumstance than anything else (although it seems to be working fairly well for me).
If I was in a situation where I was stuck on soft spring rates for whatever reason, then yes, I'd run big bars.
If you have a well balanced car and detach the rear sway, the car is going to push and you have to compensate somehow (most commonly by increasing the rear spring rate). If you detach the rear bar and simultaneously add a big front bar, it's going to push even more.
I've never run a big front bar - the biggest I've used is a Whiteline, which is about 70% stiffer than stock. I'm running the stock front bar right now, but that's more due to circumstance than anything else (although it seems to be working fairly well for me).
If I was in a situation where I was stuck on soft spring rates for whatever reason, then yes, I'd run big bars.
07-18-2011, 10:56 AM
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Congrats to you and Shaikh. Your car looked great on course. Sorry you couldn't get the win but I know the feeling.
I already told you guys what I saw with the F/R balance. It was a pretty dramatic difference.
I already told you guys what I saw with the F/R balance. It was a pretty dramatic difference.
07-18-2011, 11:05 AM
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Well I mean I'm running in BSP but just wanted to see what you guys were doing. I have 730 lb springs front and and 450 lb springs rear, 32mm hollow bar up front, no bar rear for last event. Custom valved Ohlins DFV shocks. The R comps are 255/35/18 on a 18x9+35. Front and rear Mazdaspeed strut bars as well.
-2.8 camber in the front, with .05 toe out, 4.1 caster, and then the rear has -2 camber, and 0 toe.
I jacked up the dampening in the front to 8 clicks from stiff, and 20 clicks from stiff in the rear. It felt really good and I could definitely get the power down, and only a few spots where I pushed, but really not too much, so I can't complain. I guess when the day of the test and tune comes, I'll have to play with swaybar/dampening settings.
-2.8 camber in the front, with .05 toe out, 4.1 caster, and then the rear has -2 camber, and 0 toe.
I jacked up the dampening in the front to 8 clicks from stiff, and 20 clicks from stiff in the rear. It felt really good and I could definitely get the power down, and only a few spots where I pushed, but really not too much, so I can't complain. I guess when the day of the test and tune comes, I'll have to play with swaybar/dampening settings.
07-18-2011, 06:52 PM
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07-23-2011, 11:59 PM
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Good battle at the Packwood Pro from Saturday:
Street Touring X Drivers: 9 Trophies: 3
T 1 188 Joe Goeke 2004 Mazda Rx8 Black Hankook 29.196 30.753(1) 56.622
[88] Kirkland,WA Team Butt Heat! Nwst/North 27.723 27.426
T 2 98 George Hudetz 2004 Mazda RX-8 Pwt Hankook 29.577 29.202 56.635
Lake Oswego,OR FatCat Oregon Reg 28.214 27.433 (0.013)
T 3 173 Shane Jensen 1989 Honda Civic Si Whi Toyo 31.109(1) 29.164 56.661
[73] Woodinville,WA Les Schwab Tires, Bilste Nwst/North 29.356(1) 27.497 (0.026)
4 88 Mike Duncan 2004 Mazda RX8 Black Hankook 35.377(2) 29.677 57.598
[188] Everett,WA Nwst/North 28.273 27.921 (0.937)
5 81 Jack Yeung 1991 Honda Civic Red Toyo 30.284 29.841 57.643
Coquitlam,BC Nwst/North 31.157(1) 27.802 (0.045)
6 25 Bryce Kliewer 2003 BMW 330 Grey Dunlop 30.585 29.918 58.037
Sandpoint,ID Brecus Nwst/North 28.384 28.119 (0.394)
7 53 Keith Gover 2011 Mini Cooper JCW Bl 31.158 30.395 59.457
Sherwood,OR Ore/Northe 29.294 29.062 (1.420)
8 73 Garrett Bickerdike 1989 Honda Honda White Toyo 33.925 31.211 60.484
[173] Des Moines,WA Thanks Shane and Kim Nwst/North 30.379 29.273 (1.027)
9 35 Matt Zyskowski 2005 Infinity G35 Gray Yokohama 30.673 DNF 61.541
Polonez Automotive 30.868(1) RL (1.057)
Street Touring X Drivers: 9 Trophies: 3
T 1 188 Joe Goeke 2004 Mazda Rx8 Black Hankook 29.196 30.753(1) 56.622
[88] Kirkland,WA Team Butt Heat! Nwst/North 27.723 27.426
T 2 98 George Hudetz 2004 Mazda RX-8 Pwt Hankook 29.577 29.202 56.635
Lake Oswego,OR FatCat Oregon Reg 28.214 27.433 (0.013)
T 3 173 Shane Jensen 1989 Honda Civic Si Whi Toyo 31.109(1) 29.164 56.661
[73] Woodinville,WA Les Schwab Tires, Bilste Nwst/North 29.356(1) 27.497 (0.026)
4 88 Mike Duncan 2004 Mazda RX8 Black Hankook 35.377(2) 29.677 57.598
[188] Everett,WA Nwst/North 28.273 27.921 (0.937)
5 81 Jack Yeung 1991 Honda Civic Red Toyo 30.284 29.841 57.643
Coquitlam,BC Nwst/North 31.157(1) 27.802 (0.045)
6 25 Bryce Kliewer 2003 BMW 330 Grey Dunlop 30.585 29.918 58.037
Sandpoint,ID Brecus Nwst/North 28.384 28.119 (0.394)
7 53 Keith Gover 2011 Mini Cooper JCW Bl 31.158 30.395 59.457
Sherwood,OR Ore/Northe 29.294 29.062 (1.420)
8 73 Garrett Bickerdike 1989 Honda Honda White Toyo 33.925 31.211 60.484
[173] Des Moines,WA Thanks Shane and Kim Nwst/North 30.379 29.273 (1.027)
9 35 Matt Zyskowski 2005 Infinity G35 Gray Yokohama 30.673 DNF 61.541
Polonez Automotive 30.868(1) RL (1.057)
07-24-2011, 10:25 AM
#1967
Don't know if Joe is on here or not but . . .
Joe, this is Tom Deady, you used to work at FTI in Tukwila with my brother Brock and gave me some tips on my first pro.
Thanks again and congrats on the results so far!
Tomas
Joe, this is Tom Deady, you used to work at FTI in Tukwila with my brother Brock and gave me some tips on my first pro.
Thanks again and congrats on the results so far!
Tomas
07-24-2011, 09:35 PM
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Ah well - been there, experienced that .... 
Street Touring X Drivers: 9 Trophies: 3
T 1 173 Shane Jensen 1989 Honda Civic Si Whi Toyo 31.109(1) 29.164 28.882 29.131 RL 32.857(2) 55.867
[73] Woodinville,WA Les Schwab Tires, Bilste Nwst/North 29.356(1) 27.497 27.386 29.186(1) 26.985 28.778(1)
T 2 188 Joe Goeke 2004 Mazda Rx8 Black Hankook 29.196 30.753(1) 29.036 28.937 30.958(1) 28.690 55.908
[88] Kirkland,WA Team Butt Heat! Nwst/North 27.723 27.426 29.542(1) 27.218 27.430 27.347 (0.041)
T 3 98 George Hudetz 2004 Mazda RX-8 Pwt Hankook 29.577 29.202 29.387 29.094 29.668 31.037(1) 56.022
Lake Oswego,OR FatCat Oregon Reg 28.214 27.433 27.708 29.529(1) 27.606 26.928 (0.114)
4 88 Mike Duncan 2004 Mazda RX8 Black Hankook 35.377(2) 29.677 DNF 29.423 DNF 29.387 57.025
[188] Everett,WA Nwst/North 28.273 27.921 30.512(1) 28.249 27.638 39.444(1) (1.003)
5 81 Jack Yeung 1991 Honda Civic Red Toyo 30.284 29.841 33.192(1) DNF 31.467(1) 30.047 57.324
Coquitlam,BC Nwst/North 31.157(1) 27.802 28.487 28.234 DNF 27.483 (0.299)
6 25 Bryce Kliewer 2003 BMW 330 Grey Dunlop 30.585 29.918 29.911 31.853(1) 30.102 30.043 57.829
Sandpoint,ID Brecus Nwst/North 28.384 28.119 28.290 28.232 27.918 29.931(1) (0.505)
7 35 Matt Zyskowski 2005 Infinity G35 Gray Yokohama 30.673 DNF 30.895 30.221 RL 31.808(1) 58.315
Polonez Automotive 30.868(1) RL 28.302 28.094 29.628(1) RL (0.486)
8 53 Keith Gover 2011 Mini Cooper JCW Bl 31.158 30.395 30.711 30.178 30.888 32.471(1) 58.423
Sherwood,OR Ore/Northe 29.294 29.062 28.810 28.245 37.432 RL (0.108)
9 73 Garrett Bickerdike 1989 Honda Honda White Toyo 33.925 31.211 30.978 30.280 32.186(1) 30.481 58.738
[173] Des Moines,WA Thanks Shane and Kim Nwst/North 30.379 29.273 33.154(2) 29.129 RL 28.458 (0.315)
Street Touring X Drivers: 9 Trophies: 3
T 1 173 Shane Jensen 1989 Honda Civic Si Whi Toyo 31.109(1) 29.164 28.882 29.131 RL 32.857(2) 55.867
[73] Woodinville,WA Les Schwab Tires, Bilste Nwst/North 29.356(1) 27.497 27.386 29.186(1) 26.985 28.778(1)
T 2 188 Joe Goeke 2004 Mazda Rx8 Black Hankook 29.196 30.753(1) 29.036 28.937 30.958(1) 28.690 55.908
[88] Kirkland,WA Team Butt Heat! Nwst/North 27.723 27.426 29.542(1) 27.218 27.430 27.347 (0.041)
T 3 98 George Hudetz 2004 Mazda RX-8 Pwt Hankook 29.577 29.202 29.387 29.094 29.668 31.037(1) 56.022
Lake Oswego,OR FatCat Oregon Reg 28.214 27.433 27.708 29.529(1) 27.606 26.928 (0.114)
4 88 Mike Duncan 2004 Mazda RX8 Black Hankook 35.377(2) 29.677 DNF 29.423 DNF 29.387 57.025
[188] Everett,WA Nwst/North 28.273 27.921 30.512(1) 28.249 27.638 39.444(1) (1.003)
5 81 Jack Yeung 1991 Honda Civic Red Toyo 30.284 29.841 33.192(1) DNF 31.467(1) 30.047 57.324
Coquitlam,BC Nwst/North 31.157(1) 27.802 28.487 28.234 DNF 27.483 (0.299)
6 25 Bryce Kliewer 2003 BMW 330 Grey Dunlop 30.585 29.918 29.911 31.853(1) 30.102 30.043 57.829
Sandpoint,ID Brecus Nwst/North 28.384 28.119 28.290 28.232 27.918 29.931(1) (0.505)
7 35 Matt Zyskowski 2005 Infinity G35 Gray Yokohama 30.673 DNF 30.895 30.221 RL 31.808(1) 58.315
Polonez Automotive 30.868(1) RL 28.302 28.094 29.628(1) RL (0.486)
8 53 Keith Gover 2011 Mini Cooper JCW Bl 31.158 30.395 30.711 30.178 30.888 32.471(1) 58.423
Sherwood,OR Ore/Northe 29.294 29.062 28.810 28.245 37.432 RL (0.108)
9 73 Garrett Bickerdike 1989 Honda Honda White Toyo 33.925 31.211 30.978 30.280 32.186(1) 30.481 58.738
[173] Des Moines,WA Thanks Shane and Kim Nwst/North 30.379 29.273 33.154(2) 29.129 RL 28.458 (0.315)
07-25-2011, 10:09 AM
#1970
Like the NT, a tight battle for the top spot, and again, second for Joe and third for me.
The right course was without a doubt the most horsepower-intensive solo-style course I have run on. Three strong pulls on the throttle to near-redline in second with two big sweepers in about 27 seconds. Then, it was finished by a very tight slalom, which was very tricky because you had to give up so much speed. I really only got the finish slalom right once on the right (wich was my best time by 0.5 seconds) and never on the left. It's too bad because that was without a doubt the .15 seconds I needed for the win.
The left overall was a slightly tighter course.
I'm happy with how the car is performing, and my driving (to a lesser extend, LOL). I've never been so close to Joe in the past, including when I co-drove with him in his car at nats in BS. I did make the challenge (26th spot) but had to depart so I gave my spot up.
Congrats to Joe and to Shane. It was a fun battle.
The right course was without a doubt the most horsepower-intensive solo-style course I have run on. Three strong pulls on the throttle to near-redline in second with two big sweepers in about 27 seconds. Then, it was finished by a very tight slalom, which was very tricky because you had to give up so much speed. I really only got the finish slalom right once on the right (wich was my best time by 0.5 seconds) and never on the left. It's too bad because that was without a doubt the .15 seconds I needed for the win.
The left overall was a slightly tighter course.
I'm happy with how the car is performing, and my driving (to a lesser extend, LOL). I've never been so close to Joe in the past, including when I co-drove with him in his car at nats in BS. I did make the challenge (26th spot) but had to depart so I gave my spot up.
Congrats to Joe and to Shane. It was a fun battle.
08-22-2011, 06:42 PM
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The latest September Fastrack notes this in the tech bulletins section:
"1. Stock: Per the SAC, the provisions of 13.9.A do not allow for modifications to the existing factory wiring harness or the addition of brackets for mounting alternate coils. (5420)"
I don't recall anything further about coils being mentioned in the ST rules, so does this now eliminate the BHR kit from legality in STX?
"1. Stock: Per the SAC, the provisions of 13.9.A do not allow for modifications to the existing factory wiring harness or the addition of brackets for mounting alternate coils. (5420)"
I don't recall anything further about coils being mentioned in the ST rules, so does this now eliminate the BHR kit from legality in STX?
08-22-2011, 08:11 PM
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^The way I read it, yes.
You could argue that the plug-n-play harness is legal, since we are not modifying the factory harness, but the bracket that comes with the kit to wich the coils mount is clearly illegal, based on the way I read it.
Of course, I'm open to other interpretations.
And, since this is a tech bulletin, it's effective NOW, so that means I have to switch back to OEM for nats.
Thanks for catching this, I'll be calling Mazdacomp in the morning...
You could argue that the plug-n-play harness is legal, since we are not modifying the factory harness, but the bracket that comes with the kit to wich the coils mount is clearly illegal, based on the way I read it.
Of course, I'm open to other interpretations.
And, since this is a tech bulletin, it's effective NOW, so that means I have to switch back to OEM for nats.
Thanks for catching this, I'll be calling Mazdacomp in the morning...
08-22-2011, 10:32 PM
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There's an ongoing discussion on RRAX on the same topic. I've added some input along with some other autocrossers (mostly in stock class).
http://www.roadraceautox.com/showthread.php?t=36105
This was my latest opinionated post. Part of it is in response to someone asking if you could use the BHR coils without the bracket by way of zip ties:
I'm sure some will disagree.
http://www.roadraceautox.com/showthread.php?t=36105
This was my latest opinionated post. Part of it is in response to someone asking if you could use the BHR coils without the bracket by way of zip ties:
I think the SCCA is trying to eliminate the use of some crazy bracket that mounts coils a foot away from the original position for whatever reason. The BHR bracket, or "mounting plate" as I would probably label it, only exists to put the coils in the same position as OE, which I'm sure they thought would be good enough for any rule set.
The BHR coils do not have a place to use the original studs that the OE coils mount to, so it would be a rats nest of zip ties and they still wouldn't really be firmly mounted to anything. I don't see any way of mounting these coils in the same method as the OE coils unless they had an entirely different housing.
The mounting plate facilitates installation of a VERY popular reliability upgrade. I would argue that it certainly fits within the "spirit of the rules" and would have a hard time taking anyone seriously that wanted to protest it.
The BHR coils do not have a place to use the original studs that the OE coils mount to, so it would be a rats nest of zip ties and they still wouldn't really be firmly mounted to anything. I don't see any way of mounting these coils in the same method as the OE coils unless they had an entirely different housing.
The mounting plate facilitates installation of a VERY popular reliability upgrade. I would argue that it certainly fits within the "spirit of the rules" and would have a hard time taking anyone seriously that wanted to protest it.
08-23-2011, 12:12 AM
#1974
I started a thread at SCCA forums, but no replies yet.
Honestly, this seems very cut & dry to me. The BHR kit is more than a plate with some coils - it uses standoffs, and uses special formed pieces that connect the coils to the mounting plate. It's an additional bracket that is explicitly forbidden. I talked to a STAC member on the phone about this tonight and he eventually agreed with my interpretation even though he initially was trying to "make it work" (although his opinion should not be taken as official).
I'm going to nats in a week, and will almost certainly replace my BHR kit with OEM colis before I go, and will protest anyone who has the BHR kit (and is faster than me, LOL). Not trying to be an ******* but that's how it is.
Honestly, this seems very cut & dry to me. The BHR kit is more than a plate with some coils - it uses standoffs, and uses special formed pieces that connect the coils to the mounting plate. It's an additional bracket that is explicitly forbidden. I talked to a STAC member on the phone about this tonight and he eventually agreed with my interpretation even though he initially was trying to "make it work" (although his opinion should not be taken as official).
I'm going to nats in a week, and will almost certainly replace my BHR kit with OEM colis before I go, and will protest anyone who has the BHR kit (and is faster than me, LOL). Not trying to be an ******* but that's how it is.
08-23-2011, 08:12 AM
#1975
George- Where is the "additional" bracket "explicitly" forbidden? I see a tech bulletin that explictly addresses "alternate" brackets.
The zip tie suggestion was mine put up with no real forethought; there is no effective diffeence between zip ties and the BHR clips/bracket.
The argument against it seems to rest on the fact that there are multiple "pieces" to the kit. If the clips, coils and bracket were bonded together into one piece, it seems to me that they would unquestionably be legal b/c it would all be "part" of the coil.
The zip tie suggestion was mine put up with no real forethought; there is no effective diffeence between zip ties and the BHR clips/bracket.
The argument against it seems to rest on the fact that there are multiple "pieces" to the kit. If the clips, coils and bracket were bonded together into one piece, it seems to me that they would unquestionably be legal b/c it would all be "part" of the coil.