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66Racer 07-17-2006 09:52 PM

factory Turbo Rumors?
 
Hey guys,

Is there any news about a Factory turbo rx8? I read on Automobile Magazines web page that there were rumors (that or their mag from this month, lol cant remember), and I was also speaking with a guy at Frys electronics that heard about a turbo rumor also (he saw me buying the Best Motoring rx8 dvd).

So anyone have Turbo news???

Thanks guys

Moostafa29 07-17-2006 10:12 PM

Its already out dude, you didn't hear?

toxin440 07-17-2006 10:19 PM

its only going to cost $2000 and its going to give 325 horses to the wheels at 7PSI


:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

Razz1 07-17-2006 10:22 PM

Why would they do this when they have a factory SC sitting in the showroom floor?

dillsrotary 07-17-2006 10:34 PM

its been a rumor for awhile, no official news yet. (sorry, had to tell him)

zoom44 07-17-2006 10:42 PM

well its true that there is a rumour. and the rumour is coming from Mazda. im serious. they are building up to something. there is this buzz/low level noise like going on. its coming from everywhere. like a groundswell. rgonza even checked with his "people" and got a vibe about it. its like they arent saying "no" any more . people are saying " i havent heard that" with a smile. i said to a couple people now- there is more to the timing and placement of 7stock then meets the eye. i think they are up to something. perhaps a sneek preview / oops you werent supposed to see that kinda leak to kick off a media buzz heading into the LA auto show 3 weeks later.

of course it could all be wrong- its more of a feeling than anything in concrete. it just like when your birhtday is comign up and people are preparing a suprise party for you. you see people talking out of the corner of your eye but you never get to hear what they are saying so you are suspicious. just like that.

66Racer 07-17-2006 10:58 PM

Yeah, well I guess it wont be anytime soon then huh, hopefully 2008 or mid 2007. Guess buying now wont be such a bad idea then, my luck they will announce the turbo rx8 the day after I buy an NA one, lol

What Im curiouse is if they do it, what changes would be made to the Renisis engine for OEM quality+smog, oh well, we'll see

****To the immature posters------If your gonna lie about turbo and supercharger rumors at least make them sound believable, shows how much you know about cars, I guess some people dont have anything better to do

zoom44 07-17-2006 11:00 PM

its not immaturity. its just horsing around.

kartweb 07-17-2006 11:36 PM

I like the rotary it's really smooth, but after driving my CX-7 I wonder if Mazda should consider something like a CX8 with the 2.3 Turbo - don't grimmace until after you've driven the CX-7 a few weeks. You'll know why.

zoom44 07-17-2006 11:42 PM

cx stands for crossover utility. mx stands for their piston powered sporty cars. rx stands for theri rotary powered sport cars. Mazda(1,2,3,4,5,6) etc are for their "bread andbutter" segment cars. so you want them to build a new crossover??? or do you mena you think they should build a coupe with the 2.3l disi turbo engine? cause thats already in the works, at least the 2.3disi without the turbo. with the turbo it would be a mazdspeed car

Japan8 07-18-2006 12:08 AM

We'll see how the MS3 matches up against the GTI, Caliber SRT-4 and Civic Si, but 2.3 DISI with no turbo is NG for a sports car (unless it's a Miata). Unless this car is as light as an Elise... it's going to be too slow.

Mazda needs a "regular" MS model lineup... not just a one or two year only deal to compete with this market segement (the above mentioned cars).

TragicallyHip 07-18-2006 12:26 AM

Yeah kartweb, I like the CX7, can't say i'm really IN LOVE with the style of it, but I MUCH prefer it to the look of the Nissan Murano.

There is a nice Copper Red Mica with Sand Leather CX7 in the driway right now and I have to say that I certainly like the way it drives. Very nice vehicle indeed.

I haven't had as much seat-time in that as I did in the MS6, but I think if I were to drive it more I would probably have an even greater appreciation for it. I found myself thinking that if someone were in the market for that style of vehicle, they would almost have to buy it.


I've heard for quite a while that there is heavy talks about a factory turbocharged RX8 in the future, and although i'm not one to listen to rumours usually, I heard the same thing about the MS6 and MS3 from him before they were confirmed aswell, but it may have just been 2 lucky educated guesses :mdrmed:

I just needa get my hands on an MS3 and MX5 now and i'll have whored myself through the whole new Mazda family :yesnod:

saturn 07-18-2006 09:26 AM

When I saw this thread at first I thought it said "factory tumor". That is all.

rotary crazy 07-18-2006 09:36 AM

I heard 22% increase in power thats 51 hp more( over the 232 mazda claims) I dont think they can do this without FI or a 3 rotor NA .

Red Devil 07-18-2006 09:44 AM

3 rotor would be nice, but we've discussed that before.

rotary crazy 07-18-2006 09:46 AM

need the link, my memory its no really good

devious12 07-18-2006 09:57 AM

Yeah I was at the Mazda dealer and the corporate rep was there about a month ago. I was asking about Mazda installing an aftermarket turbo, she said to wait, they had a twin turbo 400hp RX8 in concept...

Just look for the guy with a blue face in the back of the room, that will be me holding my breath.

Red Devil 07-18-2006 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by devious12
they had a twin turbo 400hp RX8 in concept...

After the FD, I can't imagine them doing another twin turbo.


Edit: Also, what I'm really interested in is not their forced induction at all. Since I already have a RX-8, what I really want to see is will there be:
lower compression rotors
less cast iron, more aluminum
transmission choice
etc...things that can be adapted to my current car

NoTears316 07-18-2006 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Red Devil
After the FD, I can't imagine them doing another twin turbo.

I was thinking the same thing.

Rotary Rasp 07-18-2006 10:36 AM

I always thought that they were two keys to our cars, a lower powered set for the kids and a high powered set for adults. Mazda just gave us the wrong keys :)

rotary crazy 07-18-2006 10:42 AM

:mdrmed: ^

Dinhx8 07-18-2006 11:05 AM

Zoom, is it kind of like the "chatter" the U.S picks up right before they raise a threat code to orange?

saturn 07-18-2006 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Dinhx8
Zoom, is it kind of like the "chatter" the U.S picks up right before they raise a threat code to orange?

Think of it more like the "chatter" that occurred right before the attack on Pearl Harbor -- there's something big coming!!

zoom44 07-18-2006 11:19 AM

apologies to rotor crazy i mentioned rgonza earlier when really it was rotor crazy who had heard some things too. this thread here

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...hlight=excited is where we had a previous discussion on the rumours/info floating around

Spin9k 07-18-2006 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by zoom44
. i think they are up to something. perhaps a sneek preview / oops you werent supposed to see that kinda leak to kick off a media buzz heading into the LA auto show 3 weeks later.

of course it could all be wrong- its more of a feeling than anything in concrete. it just like when your birhtday is comign up and people are preparing a suprise party for you. you see people talking out of the corner of your eye but you never get to hear what they are saying so you are suspicious. just like that.

zoom44 there you go getting my hopes up again w/your feeling of mysterious announcements and surprise b-day parties pre-La show. I would think re-newing the car @the 4 yr anniversary ~Jul07~ would be appropriate, wouldn't you? Early adopters warranties would be expiring just then in time to 'early-adopt' yet again!

The real ? is, how soon can we pre-order :yesnod: (again)?

zoom44 07-18-2006 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Japan8

Mazda needs a "regular" MS model lineup... not just a one or two year only deal to compete with this market segement (the above mentioned cars).

Totally Agree and i thought was the point when they "re-launched" the Mazdaspeed/MPS line. It was to be the "other brand" like honda and toyota hav eLux brands but Mazda was doing a performance brand. Or like SRt is to Dodge. but they somewhere along the line curtailled that plan and only introduce the Mazdaspeed version in the last year of the current model( before a facelift or chasis change) as with the Protege, Miata , Mazda6(new model delayed slightly) and now the Mazda3 with its facelift this year.

zoom44 07-18-2006 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Spin9k

The real ? is, how soon can we pre-order :yesnod: (again)?

gawd could you imagine waitng for that pre-order site to go live again? the first wait was bad enough :D: supposed to be live at midinight my time it didnt go to 1:15 and then my old netscape browser wasnt supported:(

rotary crazy 07-18-2006 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by zoom44
apologies to rotor crazy i mentioned rgonza earlier when really it was rotor crazy who had heard some things too. this thread here

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...hlight=excited is where we had a previous discussion on the rumours/info floating around

Damn I thoug you heard something from ragonza too!

i just hope mazda gives us something at sevenstock

dmp 07-18-2006 01:51 PM

Anyone remember the Electric turbo mazda was looking at?? Electric turbo for no-lag, then a good-old-fashioned T80 for top-end power. :D

mysql101 07-18-2006 02:05 PM

With people hitting the end of their warranty period now, you might as well get an aftermarket turbo installed. Mazdaspeed FI kits never give you much of a boost compared to aftermarket.

otherside 07-18-2006 02:45 PM

Want to hear a nasty rumor? Possible discontinued RX8. A little birdie from Japan told me...

dmp 07-18-2006 03:02 PM

A german birdie told me Porsche has bought the rights to make the RX8. It'll be called the RXAcht and have 247ps.

zoom44 07-18-2006 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by otherside
Want to hear a nasty rumor? Possible discontinued RX8. A little birdie from Japan told me...


well not for 2007 since the dealers will be doign their allocation orders now or soon. you already have the new specs. just waitng for pricing

r0tor 07-18-2006 05:43 PM

i'll take my MS8 with a 2.3l disi turbo engine please...

crimson-rain 07-18-2006 05:50 PM

I've heard something a little different. I read about Mazda and Vortech working together on a supercharged 8 on this forum. I asked a dealer about if it's true they are coming out with a MS8, and he said ... yes. It'll be SC'd with about 300-320hp. La de freakn da was my thoughts at first, but I've heard about this "Mazda and Vortech meeting" a number of times now, from the internet and from the dealers. Also, wasn't that white 8 that everyone of us wanted and talked about for days on end SC'd? That was like almost 2 years ago or something? I kind of place my bets on the MS8 being SC'd. Just my thought.

crimson-rain 07-18-2006 05:51 PM

:fingersx: Time to call Vortech.

Renesis_8 07-18-2006 06:21 PM

twin turbo RX-8 does not mean Sequential twin turbo tho... could be two smaller turbo instead of one huge one... big difference, but i see no reason to do that to a rotary...

For me, I'd want to see a supercharged RX-8 instead of a turbo-ed one.
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zoom44 07-18-2006 07:21 PM

im not saying turbo definetly but FI of some sort. ID liek to see them do a supercharger too- depending on the unit. yes the white one was supercharged.

crimson you are probably hearing a rebirth of the sunflower mazda supercharger story. at least that'd be my bet

otherside 07-18-2006 07:28 PM

Zoom44, that is true about 2007. 2008 is questionable at this point. This came from an engineer from Japan who was visiting a Vegas dealer researching the "repeated engine failures" issue. Believe me, I hope its not true. I too would love to see a Mazdaspeed turbo RX8.

Japan8 07-18-2006 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by zoom44
Totally Agree and i thought was the point when they "re-launched" the Mazdaspeed/MPS line. It was to be the "other brand" like honda and toyota hav eLux brands but Mazda was doing a performance brand. Or like SRt is to Dodge. but they somewhere along the line curtailled that plan and only introduce the Mazdaspeed version in the last year of the current model( before a facelift or chasis change) as with the Protege, Miata , Mazda6(new model delayed slightly) and now the Mazda3 with its facelift this year.

Me too... but all they ended up doing was this one year model before the end of a model generation. It's disappointing and from a business standpoint... stupid. There is clearly a market for SRT, SVT, M, R:., etc. type cars and Mazda is missing out on this market (actually Ford in general isn't doing so hot here).

I read a review of the MS3 in a JDM magazine last night... comparing it to the GTI. It's only advantage is that a DSG GTI costs like $34k in Japan whereas the MS3 is only $24k. If the prices were closer (as if likely in USDM)... the MS3 would clearly lose. The engine was peaky they said... so so power down low and then the boost hits (and hit hard). Handing is decent, but the larger wheelbase (compared to even the 5 door GTI) can be felt. The GTI had a better torque curve... flat and broad and the steering felt direct they said. The interior quality was (of course) better they said... more luxurious... as it should for costing more. Their overal opinion... the MS3 is a great value, but the GTI is still a better car.

olddragger 07-18-2006 09:25 PM

i know-- i know ---Richard Paul is in secret cahoos with Mazda to produce the axil flow sc rx8!!!
Thats it! the RXRP model!
olddragger

BaronVonBigmeat 07-18-2006 09:49 PM

I wonder if RP could even produce enough to supply an OEM special edition type car. That would be cool if Mazda would choose a type of FI that's efficient enough to not need an intercooler, seeing as how they seem to skimp on intercoolers and cause problems. Maybe an increasingly weaker US dollar would make it economical for Mazda to import their FI solution.

BaronVonBigmeat 07-18-2006 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by otherside
Want to hear a nasty rumor? Possible discontinued RX8. A little birdie from Japan told me...

If it is, I'd bet dollars to pesos that it's replaced by a lighter, cheaper, Miata-based car; basically a production version of the Kabura. And probably with the direct-injected turbo-4 they're sticking in that one SUV.

66Racer 07-18-2006 11:20 PM


Originally Posted by rotary crazy
I heard 22% increase in power thats 51 hp more( over the 232 mazda claims) I dont think they can do this without FI or a 3 rotor NA .

I think thats what the rx8 needs badly! 14.5 on the 1/4 mile isnt very exciting, although I did think it felt "fun" durring a test drive. The styling has me won over not the speed, luckily there is a somewhat healthy aftermarket.

If they went FI though, What internal mods would they most likely make to the rotary? Or is it possible we would just see a turbo/SC slapped on with some tunning? After all thats what the aftermarket is for, hope they plan on internal mods :)

saturn 07-18-2006 11:52 PM

Seems as though everyone is convinced that the 8 is going to get FI or be completely discontinued. Each day that the RX-8 is sold in its current state is a mockery to all we hold dear!

rotary crazy 07-19-2006 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by 66Racer
I think thats what the rx8 needs badly! 14.5 on the 1/4 mile isnt very exciting, although I did think it felt "fun" durring a test drive. The styling has me won over not the speed, luckily there is a somewhat healthy aftermarket.

If they went FI though, What internal mods would they most likely make to the rotary? Or is it possible we would just see a turbo/SC slapped on with some tunning? After all thats what the aftermarket is for, hope they plan on internal mods :)


it is most likely they would lower compresion a bit but dont count on it since the kind of presure its goin to have its no more then 8 to 10psi.

personally I would go with a limited production 10,000 units, 3 rotor, lighter , basic, harder suspension car, and sell the engine as a crate motor. it makes sence in that it will give the rx-8 a boost in PR , it will give racers there engine ( belive me must racers are tire of looking for cosmo engines in junkiars) if they can get 250 rwhp it would challange a lot of cars.

The mazdaspeed type 2 car with a NA 3 rotor with 300 hp :aroused:

Nemesis8 08-04-2006 04:04 PM

They hid the White SC RX8 from view at Sevenstock7. I sure hope if they do have a concept, they let the World at least see it this time.


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