if you plan to carry passenger that are over 5 foot 6, you HAVE to get the rx8.... I test drove the g35c and when I sit in the back my head was touching the rear windshield glass and I had to tilt my head down to sit back there! There's more leg room iin the back compared to the 8 though...
but yea.. like the others said, in the end it's what YOU like... (or in my case, mazda offered me $3000 more for my trade in so... :p ) |
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Originally posted by BIMMER5&RX8 I don't know about what you are talking. Consumer Reports' long term data show that Mazda is one of the very few most reliable brands. I don't expect the RX8 to be any different. Mazda is the only manufacturer who knows how to make a really reliable rotary engine when everyone else had dropped out. Ike makes a decent point about the renesis being unproven, but there are warranties for a reason. Even still, if you cop out of the mazda, don't go to the darkside of FWD. You might as well throw in an automatic and pilot your whirlpool down the road. Doesn't it really come down to this: Chicks dig the 8. |
Originally posted by RunnedAround And whats this RX 8 only getting some 200 WHP? How could Mazda let something go by? You would think that with bragging about how small their rotary engine is that they would take the extra space and get a bigger engine.... If you want brute power go with the 350Z, G35c, Mustang or used Camaro. Have you driven an RX? You'll be addicted once you do...There's nothing like listening to a rotory engine scream at 9000 rpms while you carve a sweet turn on your favorite twisty road... ::droooooool:: BTW, We brag about our rotories, becuase it's the only new car powered by Wankel. There's something to be said for exclusivity... And as for the RENESIS being unreliable or unproven...come on guys...this engine has been around for years...Mazda merely updated it for the RX-8. It's like Honda adding displacement or VTEC to one of their engines. No manufacturer would produce a car that wasn't reliable. The days of the Yugo are over. |
Anybody can drop in an engine that will throw hp and torque, where's the victory there. My friend got a new Z06 about the same time I got my 8. I tell him he has a bull dyke (sp?) while I have a supermodel.
Driving the 350 was nice, but vastly different from the 8. The G35, to me, is just a watered down and bloated 350. If you want to feel like you're melting into turns then the 8 is the way to go. |
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I did not say it is on the top. Just among the a few top ones. In fact it is top 4 or top 5 depending on the year. Consumer Reports doesn't really like Volvos because their reliability record. They like Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura the most. Personally, reliability is not my #1 criteria. I have two BMWs and two Mazdas (miata & RX8) in my household. None of them are on CR's very top. But all of them are RWD and fun. But the original thread raised doubt about RX8's reliability.
JDPower, you are kidding me right? Oh well. This is not what the thread about. Originally posted by Boozehound HOLY CRAP!!! Consumer Reports!?! Well then, it's settled. We should all be driving volvos... Personally I don't think they know their a$$ from their elbow when it comes to cars. I'd rather go with JD Power's assessment of a car's reliability. But aside from just what other people say, my personal experience ranks Lexus and Toymotor ahead of Mazda. Ask anyone with a FD if they ever had any problems... My FB is still going, but to say Mazda's the top of reliability? That's a stretch. Ike makes a decent point about the renesis being unproven, but there are warranties for a reason. Even still, if you cop out of the mazda, don't go to the darkside of FWD. You might as well throw in an automatic and pilot your whirlpool down the road. Doesn't it really come down to this: Chicks dig the 8. |
Originally posted by RunnedAround I figure that I could get a base model RX 8, with manual transmission. They i can put on whatever specific parts i want (ex. fog lights, xenon, and the such). Hopefully u can put on an mp3 player... If your parents are forking over the 26k, maybe you can convince them to push it up to 30k+. Then maybe you can show them how much your insurance will go up because you are a new driver, to a new 30k+ car, with a manual transmission. |
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Originally posted by BIMMER5&RX8 I did not say it is on the top. Just among the a few top ones. In fact it is top 4 or top 5 depending on the year. Consumer Reports doesn't really like Volvos because their reliability record. They like Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura the most. Personally, reliability is not my #1 criteria. I have two BMWs and two Mazdas (miata & RX8) in my household. None of them are on CR's very top. But all of them are RWD and fun. But the original thread raised doubt about RX8's reliability. JDPower, you are kidding me right? Oh well. This is not what the thread about. This was from the 02 MY, I haven't seen the 03 MY report though. For 2002 models, the average was 18 problems per 100 vehicles, vs. 21 in 2001. Brand Problems per 100 vehicles Toyota 10 Honda 11 Hyundai 11 Subaru 13 Nissan 15 BMW 20 Chrysler 20 Mazda 20 Volkswagen 20 General Motors 21 Mercedes-Benz 22 Ford Motor 23 Source: Consumer Reports |
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Originally posted by Boozehound Ask anyone with a FD if they ever had any problems... My FB is still going, but to say Mazda's the top of reliability? That's a stretch. I have put 23,000 miles on my 8 since 8/6/03 with no problems whatsoever. The only glitch was a false CEL. I have had all service done free of charge. I swear. Getting on this forum is quickly becoming annoying with all these people saying: " I hear this car is a piece of shit !!" This is the best car I've owned (and I've had several reliable cars over the last 10 years). I'm going to turn blue in the face defending this car's rep....... |
AMEN BROTHER...AMEN!!!
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used civic, pocket $20,000 and use it toward tuition. Student loans are a witch, believe me I know......
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Re: RX 8 or G35 Coupe
Originally posted by RunnedAround So I got into college you see, and half the deal of me getting into college was being allowed to use 26,000 bucks on a car, and this is where I'm stuck. For starters, above all, I need a car that will last me 10 years... And looking at many of these posts, I'd be lucky to have an RX 8 run for a month... I'm aggravated at one point, cause I absolutely love the car, the sleek design, the amazing interior, and the such. But it's the one thing that I hate about it that I also love, the engine. I mean, do you guys think that this car will last me, lets say, 10 years without having me to jump into the hood and fix stuff? Right now It's either an RX 8, or a Infiniti G35 Coupe(used). However much i seem to love the car, love doesn't conquer reliability. I would expect that since the engine has less moving parts that it will last longer, but now it seems to have more problems than any car in history (except maybe a Yugo). Don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to put the car down, I absolutely love every aspect of it, but no matter how much I love it, love doesn't fix problems, money does, and thats something I don't have... Just post yalls opinion if it's a good investment for a first time driver, or if I should just stick to the conventional piston engines for now... |
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Originally posted by XUrotaryrocket Actually, Mazda is generally only a notch or two below Honda and Toyota. And it's a darned sight better than Chevy or Ford. The FD is NOT a good example. You can't condemn a manufacturer's entire record on one car !!! The reliability of the FB's and FC's is notoriously GOOD !!! I won't get into the detailed explanation of why the FD's reputation is worse than it should have been. I have put 23,000 miles on my 8 since 8/6/03 with no problems whatsoever. The only glitch was a false CEL. I have had all service done free of charge. I swear. Getting on this forum is quickly becoming annoying with all these people saying: " I hear this car is a piece of shit !!" This is the best car I've owned (and I've had several reliable cars over the last 10 years). I'm going to turn blue in the face defending this car's rep....... Did you even read my post? That report has nothing to do with the FDs reliability, and I have never seen Mazda up there with Honda or Toyota. It's usually the lowest rated in terms of reliability of all the Japanese automakers, that's not a bad thing they're still quite reliable... But even the most reliable car makers can make less than reliable cars, and the least reliable can make very reliable cars. The freaking Buick Regal was picked as the most reliable mid size car in 2003 by CR, topping the Maxima, Camry, and Accord... Defend the reliability of the RX-8 all you like, you have no freaking clue how reliable it's going to be and neither does anyone else on this or any other forum, the same goes for the people that are coming on here and calling it unreliable. Ike |
I don't blame this kid. If I had the opportunity to blow $26k on a car going into college I would have done it in a heartbeat! Who among us wouldn't have?
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You need it to last 4-6 years, rx8 will do that without a problem if you take care of it, so live it up. I can speak for many of us older folks in saying if we had oppurtunity to get a brand new rx8 right out of HS we'd jump on it. You are one spoiled lucky ass M'fer, so give yourself oppurtunity very few people your age get. Now if parents are handing you that sum of money and saying " HERE GO BUY YOURSELF A CAR", then I suggest being smart and buying a certified preowned honda, and putting rest of money in a money market account. If they are offering to buy you a new car, then DO NOT HESITATE. GET WHAT YOU WANT YOU SPOILED RICH KID. hehe. Just kidding.You get my point. Enjoy your new rx8, it's the only way to go here.
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well guys don't worry, my mom is now willing to use up too 28k on a car, and I know exactly which one i want, manual, cloth, top of the line one, the package that comes with a sunroof. And my insurance record is completly clean (although i got caught going 82 on a 40, and got it dismissed :P). Oh ya, quick question, would it be too hard to put in a subwoofer? even though the pack comes with a Bose Audio system, I'm still a bass fiend.
Oh hell ya I'm spoiled, I acknolewdge that, but it's better to acknolewdge the fact that I am, then ignore it and think I'm not. I'm so lucky it scares me... |
Oh ya! another reason to get an RX 8. Because no other car gains such hard core enthusiasts! I mean in a day I got some odd 20 replies over a subject that I'm sure none of you guys cared about. All I can say is thanks alot for all of yalls opinion, and you guys can expect me to be joining yall as a strong avid member of this forum (with my own RX 8)! (of course I'll change the name)
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Well You realy have $20000 to spend... Did you forget about Insurance?? The RX-8 won't be the cheapest to insure if you are 18 years old. That is one reason I am glad that I am older...
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Originally posted by IkeWRX Did you even read my post? That report has nothing to do with the FDs reliability, and I have never seen Mazda up there with Honda or Toyota. It's usually the lowest rated in terms of reliability of all the Japanese automakers, that's not a bad thing they're still quite reliable... But even the most reliable car makers can make less than reliable cars, and the least reliable can make very reliable cars. The freaking Buick Regal was picked as the most reliable mid size car in 2003 by CR, topping the Maxima, Camry, and Accord... Defend the reliability of the RX-8 all you like, you have no freaking clue how reliable it's going to be and neither does anyone else on this or any other forum, the same goes for the people that are coming on here and calling it unreliable. Ike so, chill ......... |
Go drive a G and the 8 back to back....you'll know for sure ;)
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Originally posted by XUrotaryrocket Um........ dude......... I wasn't aiming those comments at you !!!!! As far as reliability, I've owned 10 Mazdas and aside from the 2 FD's they were all exceptionally reliable cars. One of my MX-6 V6's in owned by a co-worker and it now has 292,000 miles on the clock. My 3 FC's were bulletproof. So, I have no reason to believe that this one will not be reliable. If it had turbos - then I might be a bit concerned. I have maintained a love/hate relationship with my FD's. They are a pain in my ass. And yes, I agree with the Buick issue. I also drove a few of those for work as beater cars and they are generally unstoppable. The 3800 series V6 is a damned fine engine. so, chill ......... Ike |
I believe at least Touring for the Xenon lights. |
If the mom is willing to spend 28k+ on this car for him, they must be pretty well off... considering the insurance and GAS prices will just scare the bejesus off of the average middle income family. 40k each person/2 adults... 80k with 1 kid to manage, mortgage, car payments, etc...
So his mom probably drives a nice BMW or Benz. Good luck on the car, and ask your mom for a gas card... you'll need it. I fill up at least every other day since I drive to work Monday through Saturday. About $33-35 each fillup. Oh joy. At this rate, I expect to spend about $4000-4800 this year on gas alone. |
Originally posted by KrustyKlown Either you are mistaken or I don't have the package I think I have but I have a MT sport and mine came with Xenon and the TSC/DSC. |
Originally posted by stangmatt66 Spend 12k on a used G35 coupe (I hear they have VERY poor resale value) and save the rest for a nice vacation after college. I did a quick lookup for a used 03 G35 coupe w/no options and 12K miles on edmunds.com (their car values tend to be low) and dealer trade in value is $26.5K and private party is $27.8K. Back to the reliability note, Mazda as a brand does have pretty decent reliability overall according to the April 04 auto issue of Consumer Reports. However, as I've stated many times on here before, the engine problems are troubling given the small # of RX-8s that have been sold. I've counted 11 people on here now that have needed new engines: ectomort, rx gr8t, miata2rx8, Kas, canzoomer, ShawnC, Judge Ito, JaChTsai, JeFfUcF (ended up receiving a replacement car), Chef Rx-8, Topgun Did I miss or mis-characterize anyone? I don't think one can conclude that the RX-8's engine is incredibly reliable from the above. For comparison, I've counted 1 guy (there could be more, if there are others, feel free to post URLs to their engine replacement stories) on my 350z.com who's needed a new engine who was unmodded or lightly modded (running NOS, bolting on superchargers and turbochargers isn't light modding in my book). 350Zs have been on the road longer and there are more of them. Sorry to stray OT a bit on this, as I have a Z and don't follow G35 forums. Anyhow, since this is an RX-8 forum, I'm sure most people will tell the original poster to get an 8. |
Newbie starts a thread and it explodes. Nice.
About all the reliability stuff - Mazda's are by and large pretty reliable, but to say it's the top is a bit too much. I personally would never buy a car based on CRs recommendations, unless said car was a minivan... But yeah - my whole point earlier was just to go along with Ike - Mazda's fairly reliable, but this is a ground up NEW car and no-one knows how it's gonna do in 10 years. As for the FDs, I think they were exceptions, but in 1993 I'll bet people had this same discussion about how reliable Mazdas were, and how it applied to the new RX-7. (Happily there are no turbos to replace :)) Regardless of all the bantering, even if the RX-8 comes in slightly below Mazda's standards of reliability, the warranty period should allow you to address the major concerns before you start incurring any major costs to yourself. |
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