IamFodi

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Slightly embarrassed to admit that it hadn't fully clicked for me that a Sohn adapter uses a gravity fed supply.

Isn't it a bit adventurous to replace a pressurized lube supply with a gravity fed one?

Brettus

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Bingo !

NotAPreppie

No because the OMP is a positive displacement pump. Within reasonable limits, it will deliver however much volume it is commanded to deliver regardless of pressure on input or output sides.

As an anecdote, I go through well over a quart of oil through the Sohn in a 6x20 minute session trackday.

Loki

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Really? AFR goes to full lean and injector duty cycle goes to the appropriately tiny value for the tiny calculated load, but I don't think the injectors actually fire.

I don't see why gravity feed would be any different from pressurized feed. You're not using engine oil pressure to push oil through the oil injectors. As long as there is no chance of an air bubble getting into the feed, the flow of oil is continuous and correctly metered by the omp.

UnknownJinX

So is this a rotary thing?

Because I know most newer(as in after 2000) cars will shut the injectors down if you release the gas pedal in gear/D.

Brettus

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couldn't tell you that ...I just know from injector pulse width logs that some fuel is still injected when engine braking for the Renesis....

See this log showing a full throttle power run follow by foot right off the throttle , FPW is low ...but it is still putting some in :

Brettus

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Sure it works ........... but what would you put more faith in ...gravity or pressure ?

Loki

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It's calculating pulse width appropriate for the condition, but I'm not sure it's actually firing the injectors. Now I'm curious to hook the injectors up to a scope.

Brettus

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Hmmmmmm ...maybe , worth checking I agree .

Loki

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I don't see that faith is required. Either way there is no chance of air getting into the OMP if the oil is not empty. Beyond the OMP orifice nothing that happens before the OMP has any bearing.

Its like asking if you have more faith in an umbrella made of metal versus one made of polyethylene. Metal sounds like it would be better, but it super doesn't matter if all you want is to keep the rain off you.

Brettus

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Heh .... you could be right - I really don't know . But I've seen how gravity fed pumps can go dry and wont self prime etc, in various applications . There is anecdotal evidence around this forum that suggests this can and has happened with the sohn adapter as well .

bwilk

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A bit embarrassed to admit, I've run my lines dry twice.... The lines (post pump) were back to full within a couple drive cycles. I premixed in the meantime. It was a little worrying but they seem to be flowing correctly again.

icemantbi

One more question that I have regarding premix.

I have heard that premixing lowers the octane in the gasoline and that you need to use 95+ octane. Where I live, highest I have seen is 93. Is this going to be an issue?

acroy

No.

kevink0000

Lack of lubrication, yes. I have a 186000 mile DD original 2007 engine taken apart in my garage currently. The PO kept it well, and used GTX 5-20 exclusively, which seems to me based on this engine to be a better oil than I thought it was. The bearings look great, the innards are very clean, but what killed it was lack of lubrication to the apex seals in my opinion. The side seals all had large clearances to the corner seals (.018- .022"), but minimal wear on their faces, and minimal wear on the front irons. The engine ate an apex seal on the rear rotor ultimately, but prior to that compression on both rotors was low, the engine would barely start with a 13t starter, hot or cold. I believe from the wear I see that the apex seal fatigued from excessive "fretting" type wear against the rotor groove and/or the side piece, and then cracked.

The undamaged but worn front rotor housing had evidence of metal to metal contact (very shiny mirror finish in many areas) from the apex seals. No chrome flaking on this engine. The apex seals themselves appear to be the primary wear item as engineered originally, as they are much softer material than what they ride in and against in the engine. They were worn in the middle portion more than the sides, which others have posted, likely from heat related "banana" deforming. Unfortunately, from that fretting wear I described, it looks like the seals are basically kept "dry" in the grooves, with very little in the way of lubrication at that point with the stock injection amounts.

It looks like the stock oil amount and "aiming" was adequate to keep the side seals/irons from wearing excessively, but the apex seals suffered. Again when the forum rules allow me to post the engine pics, I will do so. I think they will be interesting given the mileage of the engine.

9krpmrx8

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And how do you know it is the original engine?

UnknownJinX

Not significantly if you stick to 1:200 to 1:250 ratio.

kevink0000

9k-

PO bought car at about 11k miles from dealership. He was owner since then, and told me it was. His motivation to be untruthful during negotiations would in my opinion
would be to say something otherwise.
Also:
When he experienced the initial failure he had it towed to a Mazda dealership for repair. When he found out the bad news he decided to list it on ebay. long and short, I picked the car up off of that dealership's lot, but before the deal was done, I had the service writer check the service records for various things, one of which was engine replacement. No record of it.

No sign on the "block" of reman tags or overheat telltale stamps.
Has an engine number stamped on front housing.
That engine#, 517806- would correspond well with being the original install in a 2007 s1.

Plus, I have no signs at all that it is not the original engine, no wrench marks on specific bolts, no scrapes from the ac compressor, no sign on hoses that the clamps were ever moved, no sign at all in the engine compartment that it was ever removed. But now there are, unfortunately, lots of those signs.

Therefore, I believe the PO when he told me it was the original.

NotAPreppie

Huh, a 186k mile engine is definitely an outlier but I suppose it's not impossible. Your description seems very unlikely but that doesn't mean impossible.

Any chance you took photos of the various components?

icemantbi

I'm doing 0.5 oz per 1 gallon as per Idemitsu instructions. Is that ok?

200.mph

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following manf. instructions and you still question it??????? really?

use a 50/50 mix ky and **** ease then add it to the gas tank at a 1:1 ratio

kevink0000

Yes I have taken pictures, but cannot post them yet due to my newbie status, which I am hoping this reply will work to remove.

UnknownJinX

That's what I use.

And for folks outside of America, that translates to 4mL per litre.

200.mph

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man how hard is this. fill tank at 1/4 or less
open idmitsu
look at the window
dump appx 8oz in tank
stop beating a dead horse
??????????
profit

bwilk

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With the rate we go through engines and the rate at which these cars are losing value, there's no amount of ????? steps that get you back to the profit step.