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JinDesu 10-12-2009 08:33 AM

Interesting thing I found out yesterday
 
So I was trying to work on my clear corners yesterday, but I forgot to turn the wheels against the direction I was working in. So I kept going at it, but eventually became frustrated. I then went and tried to turn the wheels without the car on (since supposedly you could).

What I discovered after making one half turn of the wheel was that everything would lock up. I couldn't turn the key slot, I couldn't move my gear level, couldn't turn the wheels. I was desperately afraid that I somehow activated an anti-theft mechanism, because I literally could not start the car.

After much fiddling, I found out the only way to start the car was to hold the wheel, keep trying to turn it in the same direction you were doing before, and turn the key at the same time. Unfortunately, because both the wheel and the key slot were pretty much locked in place, it took me about 15-20 minutes to figure that out.

Anyone else ever encounter this? Could be a cruel cruel prank to play on someone else =x

Vlaze 10-12-2009 08:38 AM

I think I know what you're talking about.

I've had something like this occur once before where you turn the wheel one way and somehow engages locking of the steering column when you shut it off being in the perfect spot where it locks to give you hardly any movement to turn in order to unlock and be able to use the key. Even though the movement was small, I could turn the wheel hard enough to disengage it. You just have to try turning it one way or the other and the movement will be very small but you will feel it move enough.

Transam kid 01 10-12-2009 08:42 AM

Happens in all cars pretty much

JinDesu 10-12-2009 08:44 AM

I was going to run onto the forum screaming and whining that I broke the car.

Fortunately the garage I use is a distance from my house, so I decided to sit there and figure it out.


Originally Posted by Vlaze (Post 3273888)
I think I know what you're talking about.

I've had something like this occur once before where you turn the wheel one way and somehow engages locking of the steering column when you shut it off being in the perfect spot where it locks to give you hardly any movement to turn in order to unlock and be able to use the key. Even though the movement was small, I could turn the wheel hard enough to disengage it. You just have to try turning it one way or the other and the movement will be very small but you will feel it move enough.

I was afraid to break anything by forcing it : (


Originally Posted by Transam kid 01 (Post 3273891)
Happens in all cars pretty much

Hah, time to do it to my friend's Accord...

unknown__Disciple 10-12-2009 08:56 AM

i kinda lol'ed when i read this..."i was like wait doesn't every car do this?"

JinDesu 10-12-2009 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by unknown__Disciple (Post 3273904)
i kinda lol'ed when i read this..."i was like wait doesn't every car do this?"

Lol, I never knew. I never had a situation before where I would turn the wheel while the car is off.

Huey52 10-12-2009 09:03 AM

I once 'rescued" an older woman who had locked up her Buick or whatever (most modern cars do this). She thought I was a magician when I just applied some opposing wheel pressure and turned the key. ;)

Vlaze 10-12-2009 09:04 AM

First time for everybody for something

nycgps 10-12-2009 09:10 AM

.......

Its a safety measures.

happens to all car since god I dont even know how long. :)

CTrx8 10-12-2009 09:17 AM

it's happened as long as they have had power steering.

unknown__Disciple 10-12-2009 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Huey52 (Post 3273911)
I once 'rescued" an older woman who had locked up her Buick or whatever (most modern cars do this). She thought I was a magician when I just applied some opposing wheel pressure and turned the key. ;)



dude you are my hero:bowdown:

JinDesu 10-12-2009 09:25 AM

It's some crazy magic!

rodjonathan 10-12-2009 04:09 PM

i think its called a wheel lock lol

DarkLord7854 10-12-2009 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3273915)
.......

Its a safety measures.

happens to all car since god I dont even know how long. :)


How's it a safety feature? I see it more as a safety hazard.. imagine losing power on the highway, and then steering wheel locks while you're trying to coast over.. >.>


Had it happen to me several times.. and every time I always forget how I solved it the previous time..

9krpmrx8 10-12-2009 05:02 PM

i don't think it will do it if the key is all the way forward.

dshiznit1489 10-12-2009 05:05 PM

It's the anti theft lock. Just wiggle the steering wheel and turn the key at the same time.

DarkLord7854 10-12-2009 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 3274592)
i don't think it will do it if the key is all the way forward.


Ahhh ok, makes sense now.. cuz yea, I think I'd shit bricks if the wheel locked on me on the highway going 75mph and the engine dies lol

Rhawb 10-12-2009 05:30 PM

Happened to me when I was 16 in my first car and it has happened to me several times since. You just need to pull the steering wheel in either direction (I usually pull left since the key is on the right) to allow the key to turn in the ignition and unlock everything.

Kaiser bun 10-12-2009 05:33 PM

happened to me multiple times in the 8 and the old neon, lol my dad had to show me how to unlock it when it happened to me for the first time in the neon

JinDesu 10-12-2009 06:00 PM

Yay, I don't feel stupid now lol. But I was quite seriously freaked out when it was happening =\

ZachLegend 10-12-2009 06:06 PM

hahaha it's happened to me, it only took me like a minute to figure it out, but I will admit i was panicing, haha

mike[piston eater] 10-12-2009 06:12 PM

i lock my wheel every time i park so im used to it :D

Kevo 10-12-2009 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Huey52 (Post 3273911)
I once 'rescued" an older woman who had locked up her Buick or whatever (most modern cars do this). She thought I was a magician when I just applied some opposing wheel pressure and turned the key. ;)

Was she a cougar? Did you get a hot date out of it?

ken-x8 10-12-2009 08:35 PM

Anti-theft feature, standard for the last 40 years or so. Wiggling the wheel while turning the key is the standard fix. Definitely not a safety feature.

Cars have had this feature off and on even before it became standard. Way back a member of the Ford family was killed when a passenger thought he was driving too fast and grabbed the key and turned the car off. That locked the steering wheel.

For a couple of decades after that Fords always had the ignition switch on the left side of the wheel instead of the right. Even when they had dropped the steering lock before the modern era.

Ken

JinDesu 10-12-2009 08:50 PM

Thanks for the info Ken, I might do this in areas I feel unsafe as a theft discouragement, but I don't think I would do it normally (it's a pain pulling that wheel).

bhop 10-12-2009 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by DarkLord7854 (Post 3274604)
Ahhh ok, makes sense now.. cuz yea, I think I'd shit bricks if the wheel locked on me on the highway going 75mph and the engine dies lol

:cwm27::cwm27:... lol

Pico 10-12-2009 11:08 PM

LOL that is wheel lock all car do it. Its a safety precaution

Just turn the wheel as far as you can left or right and turn the key. The steering wheel should unlock with the first click of the key.

ken-x8 10-13-2009 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by JinDesu (Post 3274957)
Thanks for the info Ken, I might do this in areas I feel unsafe as a theft discouragement, but I don't think I would do it normally (it's a pain pulling that wheel).

There's no need to deliberately lock the wheel. Unless a thief disables it, it will lock as soon as they take any kind of turn. What you might do is turn the steering to one side or another before shutting the car off.

Of course, if you watch TV at all you know that car thieves rip out the ignition lock cylinder or smash their way into the steering column to disable the steering wheel lock. So it provides protection against casual old-school thieves (the gum wrapper technique) and insures visual damage for more aggressive thieves.

Ken

chino0314 10-13-2009 08:13 AM

lulz

Vlaze 10-13-2009 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by DarkLord7854 (Post 3274587)
How's it a safety feature? I see it more as a safety hazard.. imagine losing power on the highway, and then steering wheel locks while you're trying to coast over.. >.>.

Won't happen so long someone doesn't try to do anything stupid like, turn the key to the off position. I recall reading a while back that the 8 power steering works on electronics and not hydraulics so in the event that your car shuts off you can still operate the steering normally.

Huey52 10-13-2009 08:34 AM

That's correct; we have electrically augmented power steering so the 'graceful degradation' is to simply revert to non-power steering. It's like going in the way back machine to the 50's. ;)

CTrx8 10-13-2009 08:38 AM

what a coincidence - my PS just died today and i do feel like i am driving my first car :(

Vlaze 10-13-2009 08:46 AM

There are no coincidences...........:suspect:

tekk220 10-13-2009 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by JinDesu (Post 3274681)
Yay, I don't feel stupid now lol. But I was quite seriously freaked out when it was happening =\

thats funny bro... i always lock my steering wheel on purpose when i park. habit of security measures from being a civic owner

Huey52 10-14-2009 06:11 AM

If I were a Civic owner I'd purposely leave it unlocked so that hopefully it would get stolen (j/k, couldn't resist). ;)


Originally Posted by tekk220 (Post 3276208)
thats funny bro... i always lock my steering wheel on purpose when i park. habit of security measures from being a civic owner



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