gotta lemon?
 

about 2 months ago my engine flooded at 10,000 miles.. they fixed the prob, also upgraded the starter, battery, sparkplugs, and flashed the ECU. a while later, the car was driving with hesitation at full throttle. took it in, they apparently upgraded the spark plugs again. then the check engine light came on.. took it in, they changed the sparkplugs, telling me they misfired. and 1 more time again, same situation.. and today AGAIN. is it time to call my car a lemon? any help is welcome, thanks

Does "they" = Mazda dealer? If so, and probably even if not, get a second opinion. Whoever "they" are, after the first time w/the same problem it warrants more attention than a dumbass mechanic changing the plugs. Sounds like a case of:
a. Full blown incompetence
b. Full blown lazyiness
c. Full blown stupidity
d. All of the above

Definitely take it to a different dealer and see what they think is wrong with it.

sounds like your dealer is the lemon

They need to check the cat, especially since it flooded. Others who have had the same issues turned out to be bad/clogged cat...

check the fuel pressure/pump and wiring harness for the pump.

It took them 2 engines to figure out my fuel pump wiring harness was bad.......even though I asked them to check the fuel pressure when I took it in THE VERY FIRST TIME!

yes, they=mazda dealer. .. . i called them, the mazda engineering team is apparently checking out the problem. its starting to piss me off, i work about 50 hrs a week, i dont have time for this type of bullshiiiiit. i rather they lemon the car, and i get something else, perhaps a 350z :)

sounds like you made a wrong choice to begin with

what was the fault code stored?

No shit. He should have known his car would have had 6 spark plug replacements in 15k.. :Freak_ani

also should have known NOT to trust dealership/service a-holes; and certainly should have figured it out before 4th time w/ same problem. Enjoy the Z.

picking up the bitch 2morow.. ill let you guys know what happens

Hope you did your homework on the z. I wanted one too until I found out Nissan can't get the front end alignment figured out and they eat a set of tires about every 6K miles or so.

Honestly, do look at some of that on some z threads. Big probs with tires, clutches and such on some of those as well.

legally you can only call your car a lemon if the same problem has had to be fixed at least 3 times. Under california law they have to buy the car back from you if you want to get rid of it.

The the leading spark plugs have been revised 3 times already. The current spark plug is the NGK RE7CL for the leading plugs. Check to make sure that is which one is being used.

The original spark plug was the RE7AL which had fouling issues in colder climates which lead to easy flooding when cold. Toss in that many people didn't know you never ever ever give gas/throttle to a rotary motor when starting cold, and many people are having cold start flooding issues.

labutler- the feathering problem existed on the 2003 and 2004 models. 2004.5 and up didnt have the problem. the 03 and 04 were recalled, and nissan gave it a proper allignment and a new set of tires for free - problem solved. . get the Z, you wont regret it

i want an 06- 300hp rev-up engine, new bi xenon headlights, LED tailights, and some other goodies. car looks sexy, definitely better than my rx8



icemark- i dont know about the spark plugs.. and really dont care, i hope the car mal functions again so i can get rid of it..



daisuke- problem did indeed presist 3 times.. i picked it up today and they said if it happens AGAIN , then they will take it back.. so i guess the 4th time.. eh

got the car back. its fine ... no problems ne more.. they said if it happens one more time, theyll take my car back (lemon)

ok the air conditioning doesnt work.. when you put it on cold, it blows hot.. when you put it on hot, it blows cold.. what gives??? why would they even mess with the unit.. :mad: :spank:

You are really not a true car enthusiast apparently.

AC changing and car miss firing. Why don’t they scan that ECU? I would just ask them to put a new ECU in this point because they love when you bitch to them.

Dude, you need to check another dealer.

shit, that's mess up, I will bring it to other dealer to check the problem. Sometimes one dealer don't have the knowledge to fix rotary.

This is a car company standing behind their product, Mazda could learn a lot from them. Instead Mazda blames gas mileage and power issues on the owners instead of standing up and taking responsibility. I am really getting a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to Mazda. If they sell the car fix it when it’s broke and resolves the problem instead of telling the users they are doing something wrong.


MAZDA SUCKS!!!!!

Then go drive a fucking Honda!

This point you make, it's valiant :bowdown:

they did.. and they even brough the QUOTE "mazda engineering team" QUOTE to figure out whats wrong

and who are you to be saying im not a true enthusiast? no one.. thank you.

Uhmm.....we were taking about a 350z........that's a Nissan :sleep:

Dude, the gas mileage was posted on the window sticker when you bought the car. Did you think that it was a worst case or something instead of a best case???

And if you didn't drive the car before buying it too see how much power it has, then yes, I would blame you too.
Yeah, Its like morons that can't read the owners manual and see that they need to check the oil every gas fill up, as rotary engines by design use some minor amounts of oil.

75% of the problems are owner related. The RX-8 is too good for you. You should sell it and get something that was designed for clueless owners.

waoh...joined in 2004...only 11 posts....i guess you hold your silence unless you are really ticked off...

Seeing that elementary math was obviously not your strong suite let me break it down for you. EPA city 18mpg, my mileage (driving normally, not racing it) 11mpg. That's almost 40% less mileage then it is rated. I have never had a car come close to being this far below rated EPA mileage no matter how hard I drove it.

Another member was getting 10mpg on his RX-8 and Mazda said every thing was normal, it was his fault. He just bought a new RX-8 and is now getting 19mpg driving the very same route. You still not seeing anything wrong here Einstein.

As for the power I was talking about Mazda's detuning of the engine to make the Cat last longer. This is the source of many problems with the 8 and guess what, they didn’t even mention it on the sticker or manual.

It's OK to go through life ignorant but please don't waste my time while you do it.

I think you just wasted 2 minutes out of my life reading this nonsense.

Bill me 2 cents for it, you can keep the change.

haha i get about 23mpg :) shifting around 5500 rpm

Nah, I just don't post much here, being a RX-7 owner.

But being a RX-7 owner, I apparently have a much better grasp on the reality of a being rotary owner than a good number of people that buy a RX-8 if Raptor75 is any example.

I mean listen to him whine.. About something as simple and lame as flooding out (hell he took the car to the dealer because it flooded???) :Freak_ani or the spark plugs needing changing, or gas mileage.

Maybe he would really whine if it was like the Fords that the ignition switch cause the car to catch fire, or the Nissans that needed the ECU replaced every 5K miles or the Nissan Trucks that they factory forgot to fill the differentials on.

But complaining about lack of power... I mean he had to have test driven the car before buying it to see what the power is. Or that the factory updated the spark plugs a couple of times... big deal. Like I said, a RX-8 is better car than he deserves and he should sell

Earth to Icemark, my car never flooded and I never said anything about flooding. I also don't recall saying anything about spark plugs. I guess RX-7 owners see reality a little different that us simple RX-8 owners.

Why don’t you go back to your RX-7 because you are obviousy pretty clueless on the 8.

Ignorance is bliss right… :fruit:

I think it is a pretty well known fact that RX-8s aren't getting anywhere near what the sticker says for MPG. And especially now with gas being over $3 a gallon, I think thats an issue to be addressed. The fact of the matter is Mazda does tend to give customers the run around alot, especially when its something that gets replaced under "warranty". Shit it took me 3 trips to the dealer just to get the spark plugs changed due to a misfire, and then they tried billing me. So it has nothing to do with being whiny, its got everything to do with buying a $30,000 car and being treated like shit.

I've lurked on this forum for a while before buying my 8 and I notice that many have serious issues with good service from Mazda dealers. I trolled around on four different Mazda lots here in Sac. and I noticed that all of them are multi-dealers who carry different line of brands names on one lot. I wonder if the quality of service and the quality of technicians is deluted due to this conglomorate? Is it like this in other regions?

I hope I don't piss off any here on this forum who work for Mazda dealers by my assumption.

Man some people really are clueless. It is not Mazda it is the dealer you are doing business with!


WoW

You are correct to a point but they are Mazda's representatives to us the owners. Mazda's lead will dictate their treatment of the customer. If Mazda tells them to play hardball they will. If Mazda tells them to treat the customer right or they will get their dealer ship pulled, they will follow orders. Mazda allows this atmosphere to exist and only they can change it.

I call Mazda North America to get a simple answer. Is 11 mpg city driving considered normal for an RX-8, I also provided all relative information about routes and conditions. Their answer.....talk to the dealer they are our representatives to the customer.

There are some good dealers out there but that is in spite of Mazda not because of them. The dealers are Mazda, don't ever fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

You are right. I confused you with the Bob that started this thread, since your attitudes seem similar. I should have noticed that he was blaming the car while you were blaming Mazda. In both cases, I must chalk it up to owners that don’t understand rotary engines. Of course being a rotary engine owner since 82, I of course would never call the rep or the dealer to bitch about gas MPG or anything else. Doesn't matter what make, the rep or dealer would say that is normal... something I guess you just have not had enough experience in the world yet to see.

But regardless, every owner that I have met in person (except one), does not get the crappy mileage that you claim you and others do.

And that one that gets only 13 MPG, who is he??? He is some dumb 20 year old kid that bought the car and didn't follow the recommended break in found in the owners manual. Instead he drove the car like a bat out of hell since day one.

Hmm wonder if... if there is something similar in your case.

But again, if gas mileage is a concern, you should have bought a different car.

OK, I’m going to take this real slow for you, try to keep up. I bought this car new 05 and followed the break in religiously. Right now I drive 9 miles one way to work on stop light streets. I will drive an average of 30mph, stop about every 2 to 4 blocks for a light. Rush hour driving in near Chicago suburbs. I would call my driving normal, I'll wind it out when I can but most the time just follow traffic shifting about 4 to 5k rmps. I get 11 to 12 mpg and you have just proved my point that the car has a problem based on all the owners you have spoken to who get much higher mileage. You have been arguing against a point that you had no facts or knowledge of. :dunno:

My experience has told me that if you let people feed you garbage they will. It's a lesson you may want to learn. If the dealer tells you something different than, what you know is right, you just give in and agree with him? Grow some balls!

So basically you have been arguing a point you did not thoroughly understand, you have confused facts, advised folding under the dealer’s pressure and ultimately provided confirmation of my problem. Well done!

well , from what ive heard, mazda initially lied about the HP numbers (they claimed it had more that it really had).. and they also lied about the MPG.. it gets far less than what the sticker says

if you want to get the MPG that the sticker says, shift from 1 - 3- 5 all under 3000 rpms

but then again, i shift around 5k or so.. go through ALL gears.. and i still get over 20mpg.. and by the way, i use 89 gas, not 91

mazdas used to be good cars when they were all japanese.. now since they are owned by ford, they suck

holy crap! if you don't like the car sell it, someone out there will buy it off you. if you can't afford to fill it up then sell it, someone out there will buy it off you. if you think mazda sucks then buy a hyundia. complaining about trivial issues has been killed buy this forum for years.

The mileage sucks I agree but people should learn to research prior to buying a car. I drive 90-100 miles a day and get and average of 20mpg and I drive quick, redlining several times a day. But what i have heard with the rotary is that some build sare better than others and that is the problem. Every car is different.

Bought my 8 - drove 600 miles following manual break in to the letter. 600 - 1000 miles, did not go hard on the engine at all; kept under 7000 rpm with no hard starts/stops, etc. Did not redline engine until I hit 1000 miles. The 3 times I actually did the math for mpg, simply b/c so many here are so fucking obsessed with it & it made me curious, it worked out to 15mpg.

A. I don't give a rat's ass what mpg I get - I fill up when it's low.

B. I seriously doubt that the large number of members here who have DOCUMENTED lower mpg figures are "dumb 20 year old kid[s] that bought the car and didn't follow the recommended break in".

C. 9000rx8 should just get a fucking Z and quit crying

D. Raptor should just suck it up and quit crying

E. Icemark is one obnoxious, judgemental s.o.b. - kinda reminds me of . . . me

excuse me dumb assss when da fuckkk was i crying about gas mileage? this thread doesnt even have to do anything with gas mileage.. some other idiot brought it up, and others commented-- i never said shiit.. so u get ur shit straight and calm the fuckk down

You're right, you were not crying about mpg.
My shit is straight, and, if I may qoute John Goodman, "I'm calmer than you are, dude."